I came across this

Did Adam evolve?

Conference to debate evolution. 5th Jan 2013

The conference will elucidate the issue of human evolution from an Islamic viewpoint, in order to provide the audience with a clear understanding of the points of convergence between contemporary scientific theories and Islamic theology.


The panel of Muslim theologians, speakers and scientists discussing the issue will include:

Shaykh Yasir Qadhi, Resident Scholar at Memphis Islamic Centre and Lecturer in Rhodes College (USA);
Dr Usama Hassan, Imam at the Masjid al-Tawhid Mosque in Leyton (UK) ;
Professor Fatima Jackson, Professor of Biological Anthropology and Director of the Institute of African-American Research (UK); and
Dr Oktan Babuna, a leading speaker with the Harun Yahya movement (Turkey).

http://www.thedeeninstitute.com/evolution-conference

^wow, this would be very interesting, would you be attending bro?

I hope i can get details of the proceedings after the conference.

@Sino

Details of the Evolution conference (summary from the conference by Jamshed Javed)

Alhumdulillah, the Evolution Conference in London was a great event, masha'Allah. I think Sh Yasir Qadhi laid the position of Islam very clearly from a theological perspective, which HAS to carry significant weight, not only for the sheer number of reasons why the Qur'an can be demonstrated to be the verbatim Speech of Allah, but also the amount of times science had to take a u-turn to match the Qur'an when it previously opposed it!

Remember, it was less than 100 years ago that it was "FACT" that the universe was static, to the point Albert Einstein invented the 'cosmological constant' for his theory of general relativity in 1915 to fix it from showing the universe as expanding. It was only when Prof Edwin Hubble observed the red-shift in distant galaxies in 1927 (published in 1929) did it become apparent that the universe is expanding... scientists did a u-turn, Einstein called it his biggest blunder ever... and the Qur'an was once again vindicated as being the authoritative truth! It confidently mentioned the universe as expanding over 1400 years ago!

Sh Yasir Qadhi made it abundantly clear that the Qur'an and Sunnah can only be interpreted to mean Adam (as) was created without any parents (i.e. directly), thus Sh Yasir adopted the (what I believe to be strong) position of Adam being created independently of the evolution of other animals (that may or may not have evolved), and placed him such that there's no visible difference from a genetic perspective. He just fits! And by virtue of his special creation, he also has characteristics unlike the animals, e.g. intelligence, reason, speech, etc.

This position also seemed to be further supported by Prof Fatima Jackson who stated, from an evolutionary biological perspective, that all the 'Y' chromosomes (present in males) can be traced back to a specific originator aka "genetic Adam", and the mitochondria that are inherited exclusively from the mothers can also all be traced back to a single originator, aka "genetic eve." As for where these two individuals came from, and are they the Adam & Huwa that is mentioned in the Qur'an, Allah knows best. Science can't answer that.

I also felt Dr Babuna was sadly misunderstood. His comments regarding transient fossils was repeatedly dismissed without, in my humble opinion, understanding or explaining it properly. If a bird had an ancestor which was a type of fish, there should be a significant range of fossils showing the formation of the fins into wings? When evolution was discussed by the biologists, it was with the air that the final forms are here and we can ignore their common origin, which is what Dr Babuna wanted to explore. Unless you can demonstrate through the fossil record that species A evolved from species B, all you have are two distinct points (species A & B) and speculation as to how to join them. To a certain degree, I agree, because the fossil record also contains (in the words of Prof Brian Cox) "an evolutionary Big Bang where a variety of species just appeared." That, to me, is a very strong indication of creation right there, over evolution! Then there's the argument of the origin of life, the soul, etc, which evolution has yet to attempt to explain.

In short, Adam (as) was created, genetics confirm mankind originated from a single male and single female (see Qur'an 49:13), the rest of the animal world may or may not have evolved from a common ancestor, but it seems Adam was placed within the 'mix' as not to look alien to it. And Allah knows best.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE8RyJk-2sE

@tbaba, JazakumuLLAHU khayran!

Very solid submissions from the Muslim scholars, science still have a lot to prove in terms of evolution, talkless of origin of life. Alhamdulilah for the blessings of Islam.

mazaje:

This is the problem with religion, it never gives you concrete and satisfying answers that are verifiable, it ALWAYS leaves you with maybe. . .Here is the problem with the advent of DNA it is possible to trace and know if all of humanity came from one single man and woman. The scientific evidence through DNA shows that we did not come from one man and one woman. . .It is scientifically impossible. . .Then comes the assertion that the koran is more reliable than science. . .Pls can you name one problem facing humanity the koran has helped solved?. . .Any "reliable" solution from the koran to many of the disease facing mankind for example?. . .The koran says the first man is Adam where is the verifiable evidence for that?. . .Now tbaba will run and hug the faith cake while insisting that his faith based belief has everything to do with reality. . .

Which man did your science create?

tbaba1234: @Sino

Details of the Evolution conference (summary from the conference by Jamshed Javed)

Alhumdulillah, the Evolution Conference in London was a great event, masha'Allah. I think Sh Yasir Qadhi laid the position of Islam very clearly from a theological perspective, which HAS to carry significant weight, not only for the sheer number of reasons why the Qur'an can be demonstrated to be the verbatim Speech of Allah, but also the amount of times science had to take a u-turn to match the Qur'an when it previously opposed it!

Remember, it was less than 100 years ago that it was "FACT" that the universe was static, to the point Albert Einstein invented the 'cosmological constant' for his theory of general relativity in 1915 to fix it from showing the universe as expanding. It was only when Prof Edwin Hubble observed the red-shift in distant galaxies in 1927 (published in 1929) did it become apparent that the universe is expanding... scientists did a u-turn, Einstein called it his biggest blunder ever... and the Qur'an was once again vindicated as being the authoritative truth! It confidently mentioned the universe as expanding over 1400 years ago!

Sh Yasir Qadhi made it abundantly clear that the Qur'an and Sunnah can only be interpreted to mean Adam (as) was created without any parents (i.e. directly), thus Sh Yasir adopted the (what I believe to be strong) position of Adam being created independently of the evolution of other animals (that may or may not have evolved), and placed him such that there's no visible difference from a genetic perspective. He just fits! And by virtue of his special creation, he also has characteristics unlike the animals, e.g. intelligence, reason, speech, etc.

This position also seemed to be further supported by Prof Fatima Jackson who stated, from an evolutionary biological perspective, that all the 'Y' chromosomes (present in males) can be traced back to a specific originator aka "genetic Adam", and the mitochondria that are inherited exclusively from the mothers can also all be traced back to a single originator, aka "genetic eve." As for where these two individuals came from, and are they the Adam & Huwa that is mentioned in the Qur'an, Allah knows best. Science can't answer that.

I also felt Dr Babuna was sadly misunderstood. His comments regarding transient fossils was repeatedly dismissed without, in my humble opinion, understanding or explaining it properly. If a bird had an ancestor which was a type of fish, there should be a significant range of fossils showing the formation of the fins into wings? When evolution was discussed by the biologists, it was with the air that the final forms are here and we can ignore their common origin, which is what Dr Babuna wanted to explore. Unless you can demonstrate through the fossil record that species A evolved from species B, all you have are two distinct points (species A & B) and speculation as to how to join them. To a certain degree, I agree, because the fossil record also contains (in the words of Prof Brian Cox) "an evolutionary Big Bang where a variety of species just appeared." That, to me, is a very strong indication of creation right there, over evolution! Then there's the argument of the origin of life, the soul, etc, which evolution has yet to attempt to explain.

In short, Adam (as) was created, genetics confirm mankind originated from a single male and single female (see Qur'an 49:13), the rest of the animal world may or may not have evolved from a common ancestor, but it seems Adam was placed within the 'mix' as not to look alien to it. And Allah knows best.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE8RyJk-2sE

How did I forget about this thread?


Human beings evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys. Educated muslims do not argue against evolution anymore. Stop this abuse of knowledge. What do you tell your children in America? Do you tell them not to listen to the science teacher or you take them to muslim private schools where they are taught that evolution is a lie?



Here is a simple quote from wikipedia destroying the lies about mitochondrial Adam/Eve;

[size=14pt]Common misconceptions[/size]

Not the only woman
One of the misconceptions of mitochondrial Eve is that since all women alive today descended in a direct unbroken female line from her that she was the only woman alive at the time.[11][12] Nuclear DNA studies indicate that the size of the ancient human population never dropped below tens of thousands. Other women alive at Eve's time have descendants alive today, but sometime in the past, each of their lines of descent included at least one male, thereby breaking the mitochondrial DNA lines of descent. By contrast, Eve's lines of descent to each person alive today includes precisely one purely matrilineal line.[11]

Not a contemporary of "Adam"
Sometimes mitochondrial Eve is assumed to have lived at the same time as Y-chromosomal Adam, who all living people are descended from patrilineally, perhaps even meeting and mating with him. Like mitochondrial "Eve", Y-chromosomal "Adam" probably lived in Africa; however, this "Eve" lived much earlier than this "Adam" – perhaps even some 50,000 to 80,000 years earlier.[13] though recent studies have suggested that the difference may be less than previously thought.[14]

sino: @tbaba, JazakumuLLAHU khayran!

Very solid submissions from the Muslim scholars, science still have a lot to prove in terms of evolution, talkless of origin of life. Alhamdulilah for the blessings of Islam.

Human beings evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys. This is beyond doubt.

I am a Nigerian and I am no descendant of some people with Hebrew names - Adam and Eve.

Nigerian history is even older than Hebrews

^Give it up already, How long do you want to keep rejecting the truth that has been made plain to you??

i. There is no such thing as 'beyond doubt' in science. We are dealing with degrees of certainty. Many things were thought to be 'beyond doubt' until another theory came forward.

ii. Professor Fatima Jackson, Professor of Biological Anthropology and Director of the Institute of African-American Research (UK) is a far more reliable a source of information than wikipedia, wikiboy.

iii. Muslims have no problem with your postulations, we have a book that is beyond doubt for those willing to use their brains. So keep on postulating. The muslim position on evolution is clear and there are no room for debates.

Please read the muslim's position here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1158595/evolution-islamic-understanding

Logicboy03: More reasons not to believe that Adam is not the first man or common ancestor of all men;


-Genetics shows that we didnt come from just two people


[size=14pt]Genetic evidence indicates humans descended from a group of at least 10,000 people due to the amount of human genetic variation. If all humans descended from two individuals several thousand years ago, it would require an impossibly high mutation rate to account for the observed variation. .[/size]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve#Science_vs._literalism

brother give me a high-5!

WE HUMANS DO NOT SHARE COMMON DESCENT FROM 2 PEOPLE! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! WE ARE NOT SIMPLE-ORGANISMS LIKE BACTERIA! WE HAVE SO MANY RACIAL VARIATIONS! I AM 100% SURE MY ORIGINAL THEORY OF GREATER ETHNIC GROUPS HAVING DIFFERENT LINEAGES IS TRUE!

E.G., IS THE NEANDETHRAL - HOMO SAPIEN ISSUE.

tbaba1234: ^Give it up already, How long do you want to keep rejecting the truth that has been made plain to you??

i. There is no such thing as 'beyond doubt' in science. We are dealing with degrees of certainty. Many things were thought to be 'beyond doubt' until another theory came forward.

ii. Professor Fatima Jackson, Professor of Biological Anthropology and Director of the Institute of African-American Research (UK) is a far more reliable a source of information than wikipedia, wikiboy.

iii. Muslims have no problem with your postulations, we have a book that is beyond doubt for those willing to use their brains. So keep on postulating. The muslim position on evolution is clear and there are no room for debates.

Please read the muslim's position here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1158595/evolution-islamic-understanding

Science doesnt work by names or authority. Fatima Jackson can say whatever she likes. I am no descendant of Adam and Eve. Human beings evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys. That is science that disproves your islamic position

tbaba1234:
1. Is the Idea that humans evolved from non-human ancestors a theologically and scriptural acceptable position for muslims to hold in light of the Quran and the prophetic teachings?

Islamic texts are clear on the origins of man, both the Quran and the sunnah tell us that all of human kind descended from Adam and Eve. They were the first human created directly by Allah and were not born to parents nor did they evolve from previous life forms.

Any attempt to contradict or modify this Islamic argument is scripturally indefensible, historically flawed and methodologically shallow.

PAGAN 9JA:



brother give me a high-5!

WE HUMANS DO NOT SHARE COMMON DESCENT FROM 2 PEOPLE! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! WE ARE NOT SIMPLE-ORGANISMS LIKE BACTERIA! WE HAVE SO MANY RACIAL VARIATIONS! I AM 100% SURE MY ORIGINAL THEORY OF GREATER ETHNIC GROUPS HAVING DIFFERENT LINEAGES IS TRUE!

E.G., IS THE NEANDETHRAL - HOMO SAPIEN ISSUE.

Which one is greater ethnic groups?

MacDaddy01: ..

http://www.youtube.com/user/evotardsareinsane

MsDarkSkin:

http://www.youtube.com/user/evotardsareinsane

For your sake, I hope you dont believe in that nonsense.

If you do, I can only just give a hollow laugh and shake my head. Upon all the education in America.......