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The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by naptu2: 8:07am On Nov 28, 2012 |
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Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by Cyberknight: 9:12am On Nov 28, 2012 |
All the brouhaha over private jets owned by church leaders is, in my opinion, misplaced. Most of these churches are actually private companies run as businesses. And if the board of directors of a business decide to use the company's profits to buy the MD/CEO a jet, they are within their rights. Any person who doesn't like it should cease contributing to that particular church company's profits by ending his attendance at its Sunday seminars and other gatherings, or raise the issue at shareholders meetings. 7 Likes |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by tushbobo(m): 9:20am On Nov 28, 2012 |
The question is where is Charity in the Church of God today? God places charity above all these acquisitions men take as important.We do not see 'men of God' suffering their flesh to the benefit of others like the Apostles of old. |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by Albert708(m): 9:20am On Nov 28, 2012 |
This is all rubish the church need a revolution... |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by cameronese(m): 9:29am On Nov 28, 2012 |
A Market Woman was running here and there looking for where to change Naira to Dollars, she came to me for assistance -- she was so serious about it and ready to do anything for it. Out of curiosity I asked her; Madam, what is that so serious you want to do with this dollars? Then she told me it was for Offering in the church (Christ Embassy) and she must get it at all cost! Obviously, their pastors have made them believe (Through brainwash) that the best offering is the one offered in dollars or even made it mandatory for them. All these are effort to make more money by the said church. The Logic is: While the naira may get devalued -- the value of the dollars will always be on the increase against the naira -- guaranteeing the international value of whatever amount they make, and at the same time making it easy to be moved into foreign accounts. Why would a church remotely influence their members to donate in certain currency? For those who are saying quite if you do not like the church; its easier to quite smoking that to break free from brainwash 2 Likes |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by tushbobo(m): 9:30am On Nov 28, 2012 |
...and Christians nowadays are quick to quote scriptures which seem to justify their vanity.At the same time ignoring scriptures that preach placing others above self,fruits of the spirit,seeking first God's kingdom etc 1 Like |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by bomega4u(m): 9:32am On Nov 28, 2012 |
Cyberknight: All the brouhaha over private jets owned by church leaders is, in my opinion, misplaced. Most of these churches are actually private companies run as businesses. And if the board of directors of a business decide to use the company's profits to buy the MD/CEO a jet, they are within their rights. Any person who doesn't like it should cease contributing to that particular church company's profits by ending his attendance at its Sunday seminars and other gatherings, or raise the issue at shareholders meetings. Period! |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by ola80(m): 9:37am On Nov 28, 2012 |
Cyberknight: All the brouhaha over private jets owned by church leaders is, in my opinion, misplaced. Most of these churches are actually private companies run as businesses. And if the board of directors of a business decide to use the company's profits to buy the MD/CEO a jet, they are within their rights. Any person who doesn't like it should cease contributing to that particular church company's profits by ending his attendance at its Sunday seminars and other gatherings, or raise the issue at shareholders meetings. GBAM |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by toluene12: 9:38am On Nov 28, 2012 |
[/b][b] Cyberknight: All the brouhaha over private jets owned by church leaders is, in my opinion, misplaced. Most of these churches are actually private companies run as businesses. And if the board of directors of a business decide to use the company's profits to buy the MD/CEO a jet, they are within their rights. Any person who doesn't like it should cease contributing to that particular church company's profits by ending his attendance at its Sunday seminars and other gatherings, or raise the issue at shareholders meetings.Actually bro, churches are not private companies, they are registered as charity organisations- reason why they are exempted from paying taxes. Their main source of funding is via donations from registered members or the public. Also, they are not expected to declare profit instead they are to give account of judicious use of funds towards various projects or other charity works. The members of the board of trustees are not to dip indiscriminately into the charity purse or enrich themselves from the charity's funds (read about charity commission and the king's trust mininstries as a case study). If pastors want to run churches like a business enterprise , then they should go back to CAC and register their corporation properly. 2 Likes |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by badesco(m): 9:43am On Nov 28, 2012 |
Pastor Ayo Oritshejafor should be left alone, after all there are other pastors that has more than one jet yet nobody cry foul. 1 Like |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by Dee60: 9:44am On Nov 28, 2012 |
It is indeed about the timing. It is possible that in the near future, owning a jet would be like owning a car, after all in the recent past, very few could own a Mercedes Benz. At a time like this, church leaders may indeed be sending out wrong signals by increasing the fleet of jets. They may even be seen as joining the bandwagon (like following the path of the very corrupt politicians and oil thieves of our time). No one has come up with any economic justification, though. If for instance, a church has ten people travelling inter-continentally every week, and they feel that owning their own jet could help to save time and money, then they may have some argument or justification! In all, reason should prevail. If our meat will cause others to stumble, then we should carefully check how we eat meat. I agree fully with Dr Tony Rapu, it should not come down to technicalities of right or wrong. We should examine the message that the spiralling acquisition is sending out. Before you know it, some pastors will in a covert (or even overt!) manner be asking their congregants to buy them jets and they would have one very good example to cite. If a pastor can afford it, and his means of income are obvious to all, may be there wont be questions, and such a pastor could buy, yet should be mindful of the will of God even in doing that. 1 Like |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by Redmosquito(m): 9:53am On Nov 28, 2012 |
Minion: Your wickedness! What do you think of this new trend? Hades: Once mortals abandon their greatest God, their brain, the very seat of their logic and intelligence. Once mortals forsake this their great weapon(brain), then they have surrendered themselves to the devices of others, both good and bad Minion: My King! So what you are saying is that the pastors have the right to get richer at the expence of the concregation, simply becaure the concregation has turned away from there only God, their brain?! 2 Likes |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by tushbobo(m): 10:02am On Nov 28, 2012 |
toluene12: [/b][b] Dont literally translate cyberknight's post.The fact is dispite all laws and controls,Churches in Nigeria are run as private businesses.The pastors are not accountable to anyone.Most of these pastors are wiser than their followers(they have probably read far more books and generally more exposed).They know its easier to get rich using other people's money.People naturally have a longing for a spiritual cause and this makes it easy for the pastors to deceive in the name of God. How can you explain someone who believes he has God's calling (mostly false) sets up a Church,ordains himself pastor and starts collecting tithes from members.These tithes do not go to God or humanity but used to enlarge/enhance the pastors empire and powers. Most people are not thinkers and just go with the crowd without having a depth that they are being manipulated. |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by ypzilanti: 10:10am On Nov 28, 2012 |
Nothing more to say on this topic. The facts speak for themselves. Anyone not consumed by 'man idolatary' and 'god of man' worship stands on the side of reason. |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by kunlekunle: 10:36am On Nov 28, 2012 |
Cyberknight: All the brouhaha over private jets owned by church leaders is, in my opinion, misplaced. Most of these churches are actually private companies run as businesses. And if the board of directors of a business decide to use the company's profits to buy the MD/CEO a jet, they are within their rights. Any person who doesn't like it should cease contributing to that particular church company's profits by ending his attendance at its Sunday seminars and other gatherings, or raise the issue at shareholders meetings. churches are considered charity organisations, if so you cant use the fund at will. |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by floriana(m): 10:37am On Nov 28, 2012 |
Nigerian pastors are God's instrument of punishment for man's worshipping of his fellow man. The many ediots in the churches who would not read their Bibles but would rather idolise their showmen pastors are being fleeced of their incomes as punishment. Long live Nigerian pastors and more jets to their ego. 1 Like |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by bigfat: 10:45am On Nov 28, 2012 |
IS JET A LUXURY OR NECESSITY IN NIGERIA? 1 Like |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by ocelot2006(m): 10:55am On Nov 28, 2012 |
That's it. My tithe now goes straight to orphanages, NOT churches. 4 Likes |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by mountzion1: 12:59pm On Nov 28, 2012 |
Kudos to the pastor tony rapus,tunde bakare and matthew kukahs of this world,like he said all things are law but not all are expedient.because we all have assumed knowledge we feel we can interpret the word.there is saying that goes:Do not be open minded that your brains will fall out.To all christians this is my advice,be like the berean christian who after been preached to go back home to search scpriptures compararing scipture with scripture. |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by Jazzgreen(m): 1:53pm On Nov 28, 2012 |
Yet they tag this Man who uses his church finances to assist the poor as "EVIL" and justify the jet owners as the "SAINTS" and TRUE PASTORS. MTCHEEEEEEW
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Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by smokeyupu(m): 2:27pm On Nov 28, 2012 |
Behind bobo:If you open a church,may be you should give it to the state government to run for it not to be seen as a private thing ! Whether a church is run by one man,two men,community,state or a country,so long as it's doctrine is bible based,it is a church of God. A community must not come together for there to be a church.Church is when two or three are gathered. Make una leave church alone.Church no be nigerian politics or economics. Humans can't do anytghing no matter how you try.Only the spirit can. The best you can do as a human is to either leave that particular church or stop going to church. The protestant shoulted;sacrilage,blasphemy,hereticism false doctrine,human doctrine all as practiced by the catholic church according to the protestant church,but what happened ? The catholic church continued with their doctrines and never changed but people left just like some of you here. IF YOUR CHURCH DOES NOT BECOS U CAN NOT CHANGE HER.AND YOU CAN'T BE CHANGED,CHANGE CHURCH ! God bless us |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by smokeyupu(m): 2:39pm On Nov 28, 2012 |
ocelot2006: That's it. My tithe now goes straight to orphanages, NOT churches.Then you dnt pay tithe ! Tithe if you are to follow it should be taken to the house of God. Taking money to the motherless homes is still very very good but not tithe ! But pls note:If you pay ur tithe and you dnt help the needy,your tithe is worthless !But every one who sincerely pays tithe out of love for there to be much in the house of God,will most certainly help the needy as well. I am not a faithful tither but i know i'm not doing the right thing ! Dnt allow the devil deceive you with all that is going on. I have heard pple say they have stopped going to church but to who's detriment ? At their ofcourse becos God on judgement day will not hear any excuse concerning how you stopped fellowshipping with other believers becos of JET PASTORS ! |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by smokeyupu(m): 2:40pm On Nov 28, 2012 |
ocelot2006: That's it. My tithe now goes straight to orphanages, NOT churches.Then you dnt pay tithe ! Tithe if you are to follow it should be taken to the house of God. Taking money to the motherless homes is still very very good but not tithe ! But pls note:If you pay ur tithe and you dnt help the needy,your tithe is worthless !But every one who sincerely pays tithe out of love for there to be much in the house of God,will most certainly help the needy as well. I am not a faithful tither but i know i'm not doing the right thing ! Dnt allow the devil deceive you with all that is going on. I have heard pple say they have stopped going to church but to who's detriment ? At their ofcourse becos God on judgement day will not hear any excuse concerning how you stopped fellowshipping with other believers becos of JET PASTORS ! The bible said u can't have true fellowship with God and not fellowship with other believers ! |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by Dipwater(m): 10:11pm On Nov 28, 2012 |
[quote author=smokeyupu] Then you dnt pay tithe ! Tithe if you are to follow it should be taken to the house of God. Taking money to the motherless homes is still very very good but not tithe ! But pls note:If you pay ur tithe and you dnt help the needy,your tithe is worthless !But every one who sincerely pays tithe out of love for there to be much in the house of God,will most certainly help the needy as well. I am not a faithful tither but i know i'm not doing the right thing ! Dnt allow the devil deceive you with all that is going on. I have heard pple say they have stopped going to church but to who's detriment ? At their ofcourse becos God on judgement day will not hear any excuse concerning how you stopped fellowshipping with other believers becos of JET PASTORS ! [/quote Tithe ke! People still dey give their money to pastors? What if ur god does not exist?] |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by Shegbe: 2:33am On Nov 29, 2012 |
I sincerely do not know what the ranting is all about. He is not the first Nigerian pastor to buy a jet & he will most likely not be the last. I heard from a colleague dat Alison Maduekwe's son owns a jet almost double the cost of Pastor Oritsejafor's jet. I guess nobody is concerned because he is not a pastor. Misplaced priorities. Mtcheeeew. |
Re: The Jet Controversy By Tony Rapu. by giftbz(m): 9:33am On Nov 29, 2012 |
[b][/b]Yes T.B.Joshua will always remain an agent of the devil in their eyes for as along as he refuses to embrace their ways and continues in the charity life Christ demostrated on earth. They are all chained professional pastors that delights in swimming in affluence while 87% of their members eat in the ratio of 0:1:0 daily. They get free labour and donations from they to build schools, yet they prevent their children from attending through very high school fees and claim to be agents of the light.God go help us oooh! |
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