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The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by Olarajee(m): 4:37pm On Nov 28, 2012
THE APPEARANCE OF MR MELCHISEDEK...

Hebrew 7:1-3 says:
"For this Melchisedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him; And to him Abraham apportioned a tenth part of everything. He is first, by translation of his name king of salem, which is king of peace. He is without father or mother or genealogy and has neither beginning of days no end of life."

Now, The professional Christian evangelists are yet to tell us who this fatherless, motherless, ageless, and timeliness human being was. The mother of Jesus christ was Mary, and some claimed that Joseph the carpenter was his father (Luke 3:23). Also, the genealogy of Jesus christ is mentioned in matthew 1:1-16 beggining with David and Abraham, but where is the genealogy of Melchisedek? And, Jesus christ was born in Bethlehem of judea according to matthew 2:4-6, but where was the birth place of Melchisedek and where was he born? Jesus has a beginning of life from his childhood.

Any help with understanding who this man is?
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by tip999: 5:03pm On Nov 28, 2012
I belief He is God, in the flesh.
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by Goshen360(m): 5:07pm On Nov 28, 2012
We just concluded a teaching on that. Melchizedek is NOT Jesus as you mentioned. Jesus in his human form had a mother and birth record but Melchizedek did not. Who then is he?

Goshen360: Hebrews 7 is a continuation from Chapter 6 carrying on from the very first chapter and beyond to the last verse of the last chapter. Hence, I will start my exposition from the last verse of Hebrews chapter 6 to make a continuation into chapter 7 where the reference to Jesus becoming a High Priest “according to the order of Melchizedek” was re-emphasized.

20. Where the forerunner has entered for us, [even] Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. Heb. 6

Here, we have an introduction to something that was established and will continue into chapter 7:1 and beyond. We have Jesus becoming High Priest forever according to the "order of", not the "person of" Melchizedek. Clearly and without ANY CONTRADICTION, “JESUS” WAS COMPARED TO “MELCHIZEDEK”. Jesus is not Melchizedek and Melchizedek is not Jesus. It means Melchizedek was “something” or that he “set a pattern/order” and Jesus was “after or according to that something, pattern or order” fulfilling the type/shadows in which Melchizedek was. Melchizedek was a man (Heb. 7:4) and no man fall from heaven, he had to be born of a woman - this will be explained in details as we continue. Now, who is this Melchizedek and what is it about him that made Jesus to “become” High Priest forever “according to the order” of Melchizedek? Let’s not guess. Let the writer explain to us since it is written.

Kindly bear in mind, the writer of Hebrews referenced Melchizedek in three (3) dynamic ways namely:

1. The Historic Melchizedek – Type and Shadow of Christ, Genesis 14.
2. The Prophetic Melchizedek – Prophetic foreshadow of Christ’s eternal Priesthood, Psalm 110.
3. The Fulfilled Melchizedek, Jesus Christ. Heb. 6:17-20; 5:6, 10; 7:17-21.

We shall expound on the three dynamic references to Melchizedek as we study along. However, here in Heb. 6:20, the writer is using Jesus Christ as the fulfilled Melchizedek of the Prophetic Melchizedek from Psalm 110:4 in the phrase “having become”. The writer pulled from the prophetic Melchizedek of Psalms 110:4 and made it fulfilled in Christ,

4. “The LORD has sworn, and will not relent; You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek” Psalm 110.

In Hebrews 6:20, it says “having become” and in Psalm 110:4 it says, “You are a priest...after the order…” not after the “person” of Melchizedek. So, here in this verse, Christ becomes or is the fulfilled (Melchizedek) of the prophetic (Melchizedek) from the historic (Melchizedek) who was first mention in Genesis 14. Now, let’s put everything together:

It’s important we understand the difference between the “historical” Melchizedek of Genesis 14, which was a type and shadow and the “prophetic” Melchizedek of Psalm 110 and “fulfilled” Melchizedek of Hebrews 6:20. For instance, “Out of Egypt I have called my Son” (Hosea 11:1) “historically” refers “The National Israel” but as a type and shadow, it “prophetically” refers Jesus Christ (Matt. 2:15). “A virgin shall be with child…” (Isa. 7:14-16) “historically” referred to Isaiah’s wife and child, but as a “type and shadow” and “prophetically” it refers to Mary and Christ (Matt. 1:23). First, the “historical” Melchizedek appeared in Genesis 14. Second, Melchizedek appeared “prophetically” when David mentioned him in Psalm 110 almost a thousand years later. And, third, the writer of Hebrews used him as the “fulfilled” of both the “prophetic” and “type/shadow; historic” - both "fulfilled" in Christ.

Goshen360: 1. For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; Heb. 7

The writer had already established the "fulfilled" Melchizedek in Christ right from Hebrews 5:1-6 from the "prophetic" Melchizedek of Psalm 110. It was re-emphasized in Hebrews 6:20 and then he begins Hebrew Chapter 7 as a continuation from Heb.6:20 introducing us to the "historic" Melchizedek (who was a type and shadow and from whom the prophetic came to be in Psalms) of Genesis 14 and discussed the Pre-law tithing that was done by Abraham to the historic Melchizedek.

The Historic Melchizedek AS A Type or shadow of Christ and the Pre-law tithing.

“For this Melchizedek…”

It is very important for us to understand which Melchizedek the writer referenced here in this verse – the historic Melchizedek. We know it is the historic Melchizedek by the writer referring to first appearance of Melchizedek in Genesis 14 when he met Abraham when returning from slaughter of kings. This is the first mention of Melchizedek in the bible. Who then is “this Melchizedek?” The writer made reference to this historic Melchizedek as “who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him” so we can therefore trace this back to history in Genesis 14:14 – 24. Clearly from this scripture, the historic Melchizedek did not appear as a type and shadow in order to receive tribute or tithe from Abraham BUT to bless. How much more the fulfilled Melchizedek?

What then is “biblical type or shadow”?

Goshen360: Definition of Biblical Types:

A type is a preordained representation wherein certain persons, events, and institutions of the O.T. stand for corresponding persons, events, and institutions of the N.T. Types are pictures or object lessons by which God has taught and/or hidden His redemptive plan. They are a shadow of things to come, not the image of those things (Col. 2:17; Heb. 8:5; 10:1). The Mosaic system, for example, was a kind of kindergarten in which God's people were trained in divine things and taught to look forward to the realities of things yet to come.

So Melchizedek was just a man that was preordained by God to typify the priesthood of Christ that is already fulfilled in that scripture says he is a man,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. Hebrews 7:4

Culled from this thread, here.
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by Zikkyy(m): 5:08pm On Nov 28, 2012
tip999:
I belief He is God, in the flesh.

There will come a time when people like you will begin to worship Melchizedek.
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by Goshen360(m): 5:09pm On Nov 28, 2012
tip999: I belief He is God, in the flesh.

Just don't say things contrary to scriptures, kindly prove it and use scripture and stop telling us what "you" belief, tell us what scripture says by explaining it. Thank you.

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Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by tip999: 6:29pm On Nov 28, 2012
Goshen360:

Just don't say things contrary to scriptures, kindly prove it and use scripture and stop telling us what "you" belief, tell us what scripture says by explaining it. Thank you.
only God has no beginning of days . remember God visited abraham in human form.
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by Goshen360(m): 6:58pm On Nov 28, 2012
tip999:
only God has no beginning of days . remember God visited abraham in human form.

And that was the ONLY thing used to describe Melchizedek Have you heard of what is called "rabbinical hermeneutics or exegesis"

"beginning of days" is a phrase for birth record and "ending of life" is another phrase for death record. Since the bible calls him a man, Hebrews 7:4 and also the bible says God is NOT a man, Numbers 23:19 but God is Spirit, John 4:24.....If God visited Abraham in human form but also says Melchizedek is king of Salem and priest of God, so God was living in Salem at that time right
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by tip999: 9:57am On Nov 29, 2012
Goshen360:

And that was the ONLY thing used to describe Melchizedek Have you heard of what is called "rabbinical hermeneutics or exegesis"

"beginning of days" is a phrase for birth record and "ending of life" is another phrase for death record. Since the bible calls him a man, Hebrews 7:4 and also the bible says God is NOT a man, Numbers 23:19 but God is Spirit, John 4:24.....If God visited Abraham in human form but also says Melchizedek is king of Salem and priest of God, so God was living in Salem at that time right
Salem means peace. it means he is the king of peace. It is not a geographical location.
"To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;" (Heb.7v2)
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by Nobody: 1:16pm On Nov 29, 2012
Melchizedek is nothing but a religeous order.
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by plappville(f): 3:49pm On Nov 29, 2012
tip999:
only God has no beginning of days . remember God visited abraham in human form.

It was Jesus that talk to Abraham. Dont forget, No man has ever seen God so how can He now come in Human form?
Even the bible says GOD IS NOT A MAN. Scripture made us know that It is the spirit of Jesus that has alway inspired the prophets in the times of the Old Testament. (1 Peter 1:10-11).

Consider the burning bush experience, when the "Angel of the Lord" connects with God:

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
And the LORD said,
I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; Exodus 3:2-7


The angel of the Lord appears before Moses in a burning bush that does not burn up, yet as we read into the experience (above) we see that it is God Himself. God will not appear in Human form, this will contradict the scripture. It is Christ and two angels that came to visit Abraham.
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by tip999: 4:31pm On Nov 29, 2012
plappville:

It was Jesus that talk to Abraham. Dont forget, No man has ever seen God so how can He now come in Human form?
Even the bible says GOD IS NOT A MAN. Scripture made us know that It is the spirit of Jesus that has alway inspired the prophets in the times of the Old Testament. (1 Peter 1:10-11).

Consider the burning bush experience, when the "Angel of the Lord" connects with God:

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
And the LORD said,
I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; Exodus 3:2-7


The angel of the Lord appears before Moses in a burning bush that does not burn up, yet as we read into the experience (above) we see that it is God Himself. God will not appear in Human form, this will contradict the scripture. It is Christ and two angels that came to visit Abraham.
So Christ is not God?
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by truthislight: 7:15pm On Nov 29, 2012
tip999:
So Christ is not God?

i had thought that christ is not Yahweh.

Rather, christ is the son of God.

Is christ Yahweh?

John 1:18

"for no man has seen God at anytime, but the only beggoton son who is in the bosom position with God has explained him"

lol.
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by Zikkyy(m): 7:27pm On Nov 29, 2012
plappville:
It is Christ and two angels that came to visit Abraham.

You talk like you were in attendance. na wa for you
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by plappville(f): 8:10pm On Nov 29, 2012
Zikkyy:

You talk like you were in attendance. na wa for you

Na bible talk am, abi you want the Bible to contradict itself? See @truthislight has given the right scripture.
Are we to beliebve it or not?
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by plappville(f): 8:14pm On Nov 29, 2012
tip999:
So Christ is not God?

No sir, He told Us He was sent to earth by Yahweh. And that He was returning to Yahweh.
Yahweh cannot send Himself message na?
Re: The Appearance Of Mr Melchisedek... by bignero: 10:42pm On Nov 29, 2012
plappville:

No sir, He told Us He was sent to earth by Yahweh. And that He was returning to Yahweh.
Yahweh cannot send Himself message na?

dont be too sure madam, God cant be put in abox, or defined,but He is our spirital father....

even the real u, u know not what u look like, ur body is a container

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