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Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 11:24am On Apr 25, 2006 |
dakmanzero: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() dakmanzero:It's actually Richard Dawkins ![]() Anyway, The Blind Watchmaker is available as a PDF for free on this location dakmanzero: ![]() dakmanzero:It would be vanity of the greatest kind on man's behalf to even think such a thing ![]() |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by dakmanzero(m): 11:49am On Apr 25, 2006 |
robert, richard, u know I keep making that mistake? I actually put an order out at a bookstore for the blind watchmaker by ROBERT dawkins, and sat there waiting for ages, wondering why it never came! doh. Thanks for setting me straight, again, |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 11:52am On Apr 25, 2006 |
dakmanzero:Just download the pdf, you won't need to order anything anymore ![]() |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by EddyTells(m): 12:12pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Slience is the best answer to a fool. ![]() nferyn: |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 12:16pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Eddy Tells:You were saying? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by lioness(f): 12:19pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Nferyn, why are you always picking on Eddy Tells. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 12:22pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
lioness:You seriously don't know? He's been insulting me amost for as long as I've been on this board. On top of that his contributions to the threads we are both on are void of substance. [i]Word [/i]isn't directly a meaningful contribution. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by kimba(m): 12:26pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
@all Im awaiting the response of Jagunlabi and Reverend on these salient issues. @ those of you who believe you are Apes, Im really happy for your admissions, let your Ape god grant you all blessings you desire. I wasnt expecting any response better from you guys than your re-affirmations that you are indeed Apes. It now makes things clearer on this forum, coz you know, by the time we see replies flying in from right and left, we'll begin to view and analyze your responses from the fact that maybe its a human being talking or an Ape talking. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Since some Apes have admitted to their status on this forum, we can segregate the human beings to a more intelligent area, and have human discussions. Please, i would really like everyone to reply to this thread, did you evolutionize from an Ape, or were you created by God. Where do you stand? I can put 2 and 2 together. Yes, all of us were created by God, God created Animals, God created Man in His Image. Now, we have a lot of Animals mixed with Humans, all of them on Nairaland. Hope its only Apes, and maybe a lot of Chimps in here, no dogs, no cats, i mean, is there any Baboon in the House ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is only for the Human Beings: And for those of us created by God, may our God Almighty creator of Heaven and Earth keep our souls, our spirit and our bodies in perfect peace. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by dakmanzero(m): 12:30pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
@nferyn, Nah, I corrected myself already and gopt the paper copy. Yet to read it cover to cover tho. Pdf will help lots, thanks! @Eddy tells, Calling people fools and then proceeding to claim 'silence is the best answer' is just another way of saying you intend to sabotage a discussion. Normally I would have defended you, because there is nothing wrong with simply indicating that you agree with another poster (this was what nferyn picked on you for, I remember) but saying 'silence is the best answer to a fool' just reminds me of many secondary-school arguments that ended up in fist-fights. @Lioness I think nferyn was wrong to have picked on Eddy but his response was rather shocking. Somehow I dont feel right defending that kind of talk, |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by EddyTells(m): 12:34pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Well, i think WORD has been used several times and Eddy didnt refer it to you. If eDDY'S contribution had no substance to you, am sure it did to others. ![]() The fact that you don't believe in God doesnt mean i must do like wise. If your theory was alittle convincing, perhaps i would nt. But you havent come up with any sensible theory yet, rather you keep attacking other's post. Bring your own theory. ** eDDY DOESNT WANT NO TROUBLE PLSSSS** nferyn: |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by jagunlabi(m): 12:37pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
I think what a lot of the folks here have not yet realised,is that there is already in place,a quiet agreement between science and religion to split realms of specialty.Science will take care of explaining the physical realm,while religion will deal with the spiritual realm. This particular theme falls a bit into both realms,but more in the physical than the spiritual.What this means is that science is better equipped to answer the questions of how we came to be,than religion does.Science is more of an authority in this field than religion will ever be.Atleast the church of Rome(Roman catholic) have realised that and already came to terms with it.That is why there are many scientists working for the Vatican as we speak. BTW, while the evolution theory is yet to prove that God does not exist,creationism(biblical and other world creationist myths) itself have not really much in it's armoury to convince of God's existence,as well. I think religions should just leave this question of how we came to be in the hands of science and concentrate with the more spiritual job of saving souls for God,and where we will end up when we are dead.IMO |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by lioness(f): 12:38pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
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Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 12:40pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
jagunlabi:You have spoken wisely. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by dakmanzero(m): 12:46pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Abeg people lets close this topic. Moderator, where are u, |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by EddyTells(m): 12:49pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
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Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by sirwebs(m): 12:49pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
"DNA doesn't design cells. What exactly do you want to know? Evolution began from the simple organic replicators. The information was contained within itself."(nferyn) My question dear friend is, Where did the information come from? I'm not buying the crap about being contained within itself. Sounds elementary. My answer. an intelligent designer-God -sirwebs |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 12:50pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Eddy Tells:I've acted emotionally nd so have you, but we do have a history together ![]() Eddy Tells:I wouldn't want to imply such a thing. You do whatever you feel is best for you. The Theory of Evolution is as convincing as any scientific theory, it is actually one of the theories that is best supported by the evidence. I wouldn't dream of myself coming up with such a grand intellectual accomplishment. I am of too limited an intellect to even dream of coming up with something as brilliant as the Theory of Evolution. It is the grand unifying theory of all biological sciences. As theologian and biologist Theodosius Dobzhansky said, Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution Eddy Tells:I will second that and refrain from any further diversions, after all I'm the one to blame for poking up the fire again. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by EddyTells(m): 12:53pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
was it the same organic replicator that made both fishe, goat, namah and humans ![]() That must have been some strong replicator to be able to design every creature or animal distinctly. Our skin colours, hair etc and intelligence. I know someone who must have gotten the larger part of the organic thing cos he seems to know it all. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 12:55pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
sirwebs:It's not because you don't (want to) understand it that it isn't true. DNA is just some amino acids chained together. The information lies contained within itself. By saying God, you have not answered any question. You have just pushed it back to the existence of God. Where does God come from? |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 12:57pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Eddy Tells:Thank you for entering the debate and asking good questions. I will take my time to provide you with a proper reply. I hope we can continue our online encounters on a new tune. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by dakmanzero(m): 1:06pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
for God's sake @nferyn, you can't compress centuries' worth of Biological and biochemical information into a single forum post. Your quest is doomed to fail. @sirwebs, @Eddy Tells, it is obvious that nferyn is convinced God does not exist! You can NOT convince him otherwise! lets just end it here! pesonally what I'd say is this: I have read all the scientific/evolutionary stuff, and my belief in GOD has not been shaken! Yes, that's right, I believe in GOD and I also believe in EVOLUTION! unfortunately if you want to find out how this is possible I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME ARGUING. I can only point you in the directions I had gone, and hope you try to follow them with an open mind. There are basic concepts that are COMPULSORY to grasp before you can understand biological theories like evolution! Trying to teach people advanced biology without educating them on basic concepts is what leads to people talking rubbish about 'where are the apes? i didnt come from apes o! all people who are apes should go to their ape-god' and other unintellectual nonsense. My advice: Go read your biology. Read Richard Dawkins. Read the Bible. The Quran. Learn the traditions of your religion- listen to theological discourse instead of just swallowing what pastor XXXXXX shovels down your throat as Gospel Truth. Look for Knowledge! It's out there! |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by skyjuice: 1:25pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
To all the Creationist out there, do u guys belive in the yoruba version of creationism as well or any other version of creationism out there? just a question |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by nferyn(m): 1:55pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
dakmanzero:If you're thinking about the basic concepts of evolution, everything is available online. It just takes some effort to go through it. Even if I can only convince one person to go and look for that information and read it with an open mind, I think it's worth the effort. The Theory of Evolution is excellent in that regard, as it can explain very well how science works without having the need for an extensive background in science to start with. the basic concepts can easily be understood by lay people. The link I provided before does contain a lot of references to that type of material. dakmanzero:They might, but not on te terms they usually propose. If there's convincing, irrefutale evidence of God's existence, I would certainly not look the other way. dakmanzero:That's the spirit. You don't need to abandon your belief to accept the knowledge we gained through science. It just takes another approach to your religion. The Bible is neither a History handbook , nor a Science handbook. dakmanzero:Correct, but they're not that hard to grasp. Anyone moderately intelligent can understand the basic concepts of evolutionary biology. dakmanzero:You're probably right, but I'm not going to repeat the that extensively over here. For all of those interested in what Evolutionary theory really is, go to the Berkely site on evolution. that's an excellent introduction in the subject. dakmanzero:And easy to find for the curious ones among us. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by clemsonfan(m): 2:08pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
I Believe in creation, not just BECAUSE I am a christian, but through the many facts that contradict the "Evolution Theory", For example: In the evolution theory it states that once the "BIG BANG" occurred, all of the dust particles and fragments started a circular spin to the right, well then Saturn has 7 rings that orbit around it, Right? Well then all but 1 of those rings orbit in the same direction which is to the right, then why does the other ring orbit to the LEFT?! whats more the evolution theory states that we came from MONKEYS!!! I DID NOT EVOLVE FROM A MONKEY!! If we REALLY DID evolve from apes, tell me then HOW did our anatomy change in such a dramatic fashion, their are extremely large Generation gaps in that time period between evolving from monkey to human. The whole Idea of "THE BIG BANG THEORY" or Evolution theory is just rediculous. I mean come on, their are no SUBSTANTIAL Evidence to prove the EVOLUTION theory, but their are also no Substaintial evidence of the Creation theory. But, as a christian if you read the Christian Bible, it will tell you how GOD created the earth, the universe and everything else. Here's what i think about the CREATION THEORY: -It states in the bible that GOD created the earth in 6 days, How are we to know the length of time in ONE of GOD'S days. Because I am sure it is not 24 HRS, it Could be MILLIONS of years. -It Also states in the Bible that GOD Rested on the 7th day, Maybe, just maybe, God created the universe and let it evolve for the MILLIONS OF YEARS in the length of his DAY. Then he created light, which is the SUN i'm guessing, and let IT evolve for the same number of years in the length of his DAY. So in conclusion, I say that maybe the "EVOLUTION THEORY", in some small way, and the"CREATION THEORY" link to gether. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by lioness(f): 2:29pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
How did that big bang create breath in us , oops you? What brought about the big bang?? Something must have been existing to have trigged off the big bang. WHAT WAS IT ![]() Was it the big bang that thought us our to mate and make children ![]() |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by KAG: 2:41pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
[quote=kimba] @ those of you who believe you are Apes, I'm really happy for your admissions, let your Ape god[/quote] Ape God? You are also a mammal (one can only hope), does that mean you worship a mammal God? grant you all blessings you desire. I wasnt expecting any response better from you guys than your re-affirmations that you are indeed Apes. It now makes things clearer on this forum, because you know, by the time we see replies flying in from right and left, we'll begin to view and analyze your responses from the fact that maybe its a human being talking or an Ape talking. Grin Grin Grin Grin Human beings are apes. Since some Apes have admitted to their status on this forum, we can segregate the human beings to a more intelligent area, and have human discussions. Once again, humans are apes. Please, i would really like everyone to reply to this thread, did you evolutionize from an Ape, or were you created by God. Where do you stand? There are many theists, many of whom are christians, who believe that (their) God used evolution to "create" them. I can put 2 and 2 together. Can you? Really? Yes, all of us were created by God, God created Animals, God created Man in His Image. Now, we have a lot of Animals mixed with Humans, all of them on Nairaland. Oh boy! Humans are animals too. Hope its only Apes, and maybe a lot of Chimps in here, no dogs, no cats, i mean, is there any Baboon in the House Grin Grin, You better own up real quick before you are discovered. It doesnt matter, you might be an African, European, American or Asian, but a Baboon is always a Baboon. An Ape is always an Ape. And there it is. It seems many are so blinkered by what has seemingly become the colloquial use of the word "ape", that they don't realise that the definition, especially in science, includes humans. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by TV01(m): 2:44pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Hi clemsonfan, Re your quote below, does that make you a "Christian evolutionist"? clemsonfan: I've heard that some "Christians", attempt to reconcile or are comfortable with both premises. I've also heard the "day as an age" theory. True the Bible does not say "24 hour" day, but if you translate day as an age, pray tell how do you translate the words "Day", "Night" "evening" and "morning" (say as found in Genesis 1:5)? Genesis 1:5 - God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. God bless |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by TV01(m): 3:00pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
Hi KAG, I take it from your posts that you are not a Christian. However, I must say you need the patience of a saint to engage Bro' Kimba ![]() KAG: I can't speak for all "theists", but a Christian who believes that God created man (1) in His image (2) from the dust of the ground (3) and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils & (4) on a different day to other creatures, cannot believe in evolution, or that their God "used evolution to create them". That would entail disregarding the Bible from it's opening pages. Suffice to say, the only word I can think of, off the top of my head to qualify "Christianity" is "Biblical". The "Christian God" is the God of the Bible. God bless. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by KAG: 3:04pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
clemsonfan: No. First, the theory of evolution has nothing to do with the either the Big bang, or the orbit of moons and planets. Secondly, I suspect you believe creation(ism) because you are a christian; and finally, to answer your question, ever heard of what happens when two bodies collide? whats more the evolution theory states that we came from MONKEYS!!! I DID NOT EVOLVE FROM A MONKEY!! We share a common ancestor with mokeys If we REALLY DID evolve from apes, tell me then HOW did our anatomy change in such a dramatic fashion, their are extremely large Generation gaps in that time period between evolving from monkey to human. Monkeys (as in modern monkeys) are as evolved as humans by the way, but to answer your question, mutations and natural selection. The whole Idea of "THE BIG BANG THEORY" or Evolution theory is just rediculous. No they aren't. I mean come on, their are no SUBSTANTIAL Evidence to prove the EVOLUTION theory, Proof is for math and alcohol, but there are many evidences for the ToE. but their are also no Substaintial evidence of the Creation theory. But, as a christian if you read the Christian Bible, it will tell you how GOD created the earth, the universe and everything else. [b]THE BIBLE IS NOT A SCIENCE BOOK[/B] Here's what i think about the CREATION THEORY: What's the creation theory again? |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by KAG: 3:15pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
TV01: No, I'm not a christian, thanks for the heads up though. I can't speak for all "theists", but a Christian who believes that God created man I doubt that. Some of the christians who accept evolution believe that their interpretaion of the Genesis account actually shows that YHVH used evolution, the big bang, etc to create everything, some believe that the Genesis account is allegorical/mythical, some believe it was wrongly translated, and I'm sure there are many other christian evolutionists school of thought. However, what is clear is that the vast majority of christians accept the occurence of evolution, and probably most christians believe that although God used evolution to create humans it doesn't contradict their understag of Genesis. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by kimba(m): 3:31pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
@KAG If only you knew how to read very well, you would have noted i used "god" instead of "God". FYI: those of you who believe you are Apes, I'm really happy for your admissions, let your Ape god I worship a Living God. He sent us His only Son, Jesus. 1) Since you are not a Christian, you wont understand. sorry, 2) It becomes worse, that since you say you evolved from Apes, i mean you still can't understand. im really sorry. ![]() ![]() [/quote] on a more serious note: methinks, it should be the Apes that should be craving to be Humans, and not viceversa. Do you thinks Apes and their likes gather together in their forests, discussing a topic like this, dont you think they should be getting angry that they did not evolve completely(if to be a man is the definition of completeness). Its sometimes funny how people will just want to drag themselves on the floor. |
Re: Evolution Or Creation: Which Do You Believe? by Fluffy(f): 3:39pm On Apr 25, 2006 |
If people that claim to be christians still believe in evolution I must say they are lost! ![]() The bible clearly states that Adam and Eve were created from the dust of the earth and that is how life began. Evolutionist claim God first created apes or apes appeared on earth and started changing into humans and everything just popped up from nowhere. ![]() BY THE WAY HAVE YOU PEOPLE NOTICED HOW EVOLUTION STOPPED TAKING PLACE, WHILE CREATION CONTINUES IN OUR DAILY LIVES ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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