Sorry I didn't read your page-it's boring, you claim you aren't petro1 but you speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you, you may not be the same person-but you sure make out he is someone you fantasise over.
This page is full of unforgiving people-like you, most of them claim to be Christians-I asked you to forgive me, and still you would rather rave on-about the words I said: hypocrite first take the pluck out of your own eye, before you pull the dirt out of your brothers eye.
Secondly Christians should be supporting Christians-not picking sides, now I have asked you to prove your facts "is he rich, you haven't proved anything-but winched-you call it a put down against Petro1-obviously forgiveness is out of your league, so there's no-more I could say about that.
So you don't tithe, but you don't inform your brother neither 'petro1 is practicing something unbiblcal-read your bible to find out more truth about that!
Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves-you would rather see your brother stand outside his Church looking rich-because he works to pay tithes-If Petro1 was my brother-I would warn him about his unbiblical practices, I would read the bible to him to protect him, but I wouldn't allow myself to see my brother walk on a road that is unbiblical-without trying at least to save him. But he is your brother, without judging, you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to justify yourself-protecting him and those who hear you.

MuttleyLaff:
Maybe his tithing to his pastor is supporting him. I dont know.
I however do believe, he earns a livelihood, asides regularly remits accrued tithes to Christ Embassy Headquarters at Oregun, in Lagos.

This isn't about Petro1 this is about you-what you stand for, your focus is not about just anybody-but somebody that means so dearly to you, but hypocritically speaking-you are no different then I-nor the next person-we all speak up against different religions, some more then others speak up against fellow Christians who are on the same page.
Petro1 is not on the same page-he tithes, I don't tithe, our bible skills are different-our beliefs are different, we are both on different levels in Christ-we will both debate scripture-and most of all none of us can worship Mammon and God at the same time!

MuttleyLaff:
It is Petra1, and not Petro1

Petra1 is everything to me, as much as, you are everything to me
I fantasise over Petra1, no more, no less, than I fantasise over you.
It is my prerogative. I don't need anyone's permission not to.

For the umpteenth time, I am not Petra1.
If I know so much about Elvis Presley, would that be "too close" as to give me away, as being Elvis Presley?
C'mon now, get real.

You're caught in a web of your fake news bud and you know it
so you're left to hanging for dear life, on to this pitiful thread strand,
to get saved you from your blushes and stop you from spinning out of control.

You've now used wisdom and good sense to become fully aware of this as a fact.

Yes, you're right. I do prefer riches.
I prefer the 3 John 1:2 kind.

Take it from me and have it for free,
that, it is not possible to judge a person's character from/by looking at their photo

I am not offended and I dont give tithe as a mandatory or obligatory giving.
I don't give regular specified percentage (i.e. 10%) of my financial income.
I am not into false teachings and practices of ecclesiastical monitised tithing or imposed tithing
I am under no guise that coerced, imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving, is a principle

Most arent aware that the 10% of monthly salary of people is an ecclesiastical tax and surcharge
and that it was birthed after much deliberations at the Council of Tours and Council of Macon
It since then has grown to be what we see it to be today, a multi billion dollar industry

The irony of the matter that hasnt hit you yet, is that you are an insufferable bully,
who has been acting and talking in an unbearable ignorant and proud way
and you needed to be reminded, that you're no better than others, particularly Petra1 in this case, who you're trying to put down.

Yes, I expect people to listen that, under the perfect law of liberty, tithing, makes people rich

Now the questions, I predict you'll be quivering and twitching for answers to, are:
1/ What is a or is the perfect law of liberty?
2/ What perfect law of liberty is that?
3/ and what type of tithing is being talked here?

I DO NOT want you to believe that Petra1's clothing belongs to a rich man, because Petra1 tithes.

I dare you to answer these:
1/ Who first, brought up, the issue of looks and clothing?
2/ Who used vicious insinuations first, on Petra1's looks and/or brought up issues on clothing he wore first?
3/ Who brought up, that by looking at Petra1's photo, he isn't one that carries a pocket full of money?
4/ Who said:"... by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man"

If you check out bullies now, you will notice that they target people who are SMALLER than they are
(i.e. bully others with a smaller structure).
Now do you notice this pattern in your post about Petra1?
You've been busted buddy

Leave the person out of it, preach the message
Make your points, without disparaging someone, centering on their look, clothing or whether pocket is full of money or not
Leave out what Petra1 looks like in a photo, leave out what he wears,
leave out whether his pocket is full of money or not, just preach the message, preach the message only, the undiluted message alone.

I dont tithe either (i.e. I don't do regular 10% of salary giving)
and God blesses me too, just as much as the next Adam or Eve, if not more,
however "Vanity of vanities," says the Preacher,
"Vanity of vanities! All is vanity."

"Looking at petra1 photo he doesn't look like a rich man,
if tithing is his main goals, then he needs to prove this
by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man
-his cheap clothing tells the story!"
- brocab © 2:47am On Sep 15

You know about this, yet you slandered a brother, that he doesn't look like a rich man
that by his structure, looking at him he smiles like a poor man
and you also said, his cheap clothing tells the story.

Ha-ah!. You need to get more grace based,
because there is something unhealthy about the way you think of others and/or see others
We should all find time for wisdom and your time is now

brocab:
You speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you
-you are either the same person
-and he is someone you fantasise over more then you do over anybody else.

Are you pretending to be hard of hearing?
How many times do you want me to repeat that I fantasise over Petra1, no more, no less, than I fantasise over you.
It is my prerogative. I don't need anyone's permission not to.

brocab:
This page is full of unforgiving people, most of them claim to be Christians
-I asked you to forgive me, and still you would rather rave on and on and on-about the words I said:
hypocrite first take the pluck out of your own eye, before you pull the dirt out of your brothers eye.

You call that asking for forgiveness
Asking for an insincere forgiveness one minute and kept on ranting on the next minute. SMH
You dont ask to bury the hatchet but then leave it's glinting sharpened blade sticking out of the ground

brocab:
Secondly Christians should be supporting Christians
-not picking sides, with each other
-now I have asked you to prove your facts "is he rich-you haven't done that-because you can't
-you call it a put down against Petro1
-forgiveness is out of your league, so there's no-more I could say about that.

SMH. Am I really reading this. Aaaargh.
You can believe whether or not Petra1 is rich.
I have better things to do. I am not into all that palaver. That's your anxiety.

brocab:
So you don't tithe, but you don't inform your brother neither 'petro1 is practicing something unbiblcal
-Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves
-you would rather see your brother walk down the wrong road
-without judging him you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to protect yourself-and those who hear you.

I agree with you all the way about each of of all these, if that's how you understand it
Have a good day, brother.

brocab:
This isn't about Petro1 this is about you
-what you stand for, your focus is not about just anybody
-but somebody that means so dearly to you,
but hypocritically speaking-you are no different then I-nor the next person-
we all speak up against different religions, some more then others speak up against fellow Christians who are on the same page.
Petro1 is not on the same page-he tithes, and I don't tithe, our bible skills are different
-our beliefs are different, we are both on different levels in Christ-we will both debate scripture
-none of us can worship Mammon and God at the same time!

I am pleased you got this off your chest

Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves-you would rather see your brother stand outside his Church looking rich-because he works to pay tithes-If Petro1 was my brother-I would warn him about his unbiblical practices, I would read the bible to him to protect him, but I wouldn't allow myself to see my brother walk on a road that is unbiblical-without trying at least to save him. But he is your brother, without judging, you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to justify yourself-protecting him and those who hear you.

MuttleyLaff:
Are you pretending to be hard of hearing?
How many times do you want me to repeat that I fantasise over Petra1, no more, no less, than I fantasise over you.
It is my prerogative. I don't need anyone's permission not to.

You call that asking for forgiveness
Asking for an insincere forgiveness one minute and kept on ranting on the next minute. SMH
You dont ask to bury the hatchet but then leave it's glinting sharpened blade sticking out of the ground

SMH. Am I really reading this. Aaaargh.
You can believe whether or not Petra1 is rich.
I have better things to do. I am not into all that palaver. That's your anxiety.

I agree with you all the way about each of of all these, if that's how you understand it
Have a good day, brother.

I am pleased you got this off your chest

brocab:
Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves
-you would rather see your brother stand outside his Church looking rich-because he works to pay tithes
-If Petro1 was my brother-I would warn him about his unbiblical practices, I would read the bible to him to protect him,
but I wouldn't allow myself to see my brother walk on a road that is unbiblical
-without trying at least to save him.
But he is your brother, without judging, you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to justify yourself
-protecting him and those who hear you.
Am I your brother-in what way am I your brother?

Like I've earlier written, you're barking up a wrong tree
If you dont wish to be seen as a brother or you dont want me call you one, just say so.
I will respect your wish.
Have a good day neighbour

You are still on air-please leave me alone-Hypocrite

MuttleyLaff:
Like I've earlier written, you're barking up a wrong tree
If you dont wish to be seen as a brother or you dont want me call you one, just say so.
I will respect your wish.
Have a good day neighbour

brocab:
Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves-you would rather see your brother stand outside his Church looking rich-because he works to pay tithes-If Petro1 was my brother-I would warn him about his unbiblical practices, I would read the bible to him to protect him, but I wouldn't allow myself to see my brother walk on a road that is unbiblical-without trying at least to save him. But he is your brother, without judging, you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to justify yourself-protecting him and those who hear you.
Are you a homosexual you fantasise over men?

What an irrelevant question to ask.
Are you bored?
Havent you got better things to do with your time other than looking and testing for an indignation button to push?
Idle hands are the devil's workshop
Dont become a tool.

brocab:
You are still on air
-please leave me alone
-Hypocrite

Yes I am still on air. Am on air 24/7
Right now, I am having a nightcap.
You care for one?

"please leave me alone"? You must be afraid of your shadow
Look in the mirror to see who shows up as Hypocrite

But you love the argument-everybody you call your friends on here are not your friends-no one listens to you-nor do they listen to me-we are hear to write about Christ-nothing more, we haven't a leg to stand on without Christ, but as a somebody-I don't recall you backing up your words with bible knowledge, If you had, then it maybe a hidden agenda, the only thing I have read from you is a dirty mouth, that I do know.
Do yourself a favour-change for God" pray for you and I-repent and ask for your forgiveness, and lets move on..

MuttleyLaff:
What an irrelevant question to ask.
Are you bored?
Havent you got better things to do with your time other than looking and testing for an indignation button to push?
Idle hands are the devil's workshop
Dont become a tool.

Well I did read into the mirror and all I could read is your pages-lets forget the bull-and let us move on-forgive and forget!
In my country it is nearly 3 pm in the afternoon-what time is it in your country-if you don't mind me asking?
If we are serious-can we forgive and move on, can I ask-have you heard of the man who calls himself the Machine gun preacher in Africa, and if you are African would you know of this man who claims he supports the needy?
Does your Church support His ministry, What I see on youtube-doesn't really fit the missing pieces about why he needs so much money to feel his dream!
Like I realise we all have a calling-and it would be nice to have supporters to help us do our thing-but this sort of money crabbing usually only happens within the Word of Faith movement of prosperity!

MuttleyLaff:

Yes I am still on air. Am on air 24/7
Right now, I am having a nightcap.
You care for one?

"please leave me alone"? You must be afraid of your shadow
Look in the mirror to see who shows up as Hypocrite

As we all know this usually blows over-some of us like the bull more then others, but anyway-lets all move on, forgive and forget, and remember we are all hear testing the Word of God-praying that we are all preaching the same gospel! If not, than we have us 'willing to defend God.

johnw47:






paranoia is not from God
many in the religion forum have it

another example:

brocab:
Well I did read into the mirror and all I could read is your pages
-lets forget the bull-and let us move on
-forgive and forget!

Your wish is my command
I wish I can hold you to your promise
and hope that you wont sneak a subtle shade soon on me

brocab:
In my country it is nearly 3 pm in the afternoon-what time is it in your country-if you don't mind me asking?

It is 8:15 am

brocab:
If we are serious-can we forgive and move on, can I ask
-have you heard of the man who calls himself the Machine gun preacher in Africa,
and if you are African would you know of this man who claims he supports the needy?
Does your Church support His ministry, What I see on youtube-doesn't really fit the missing pieces about why he needs so much money to feel his dream!
Like I realise we all have a calling-and it would be nice to have supporters to help us do our thing-but this sort of money crabbing usually only happens within the Word of Faith movement of prosperity!

The church support the ethos of James 1:27

brocab:
But you love the argument
-everybody you call your friends on here are not your friends-no one listens to you
-nor do they listen to me-we are hear to write about Christ
-nothing more, we haven't a leg to stand on without Christ, but as a somebody
-I don't recall you backing up your words with bible knowledge,
If you had, then it maybe a hidden agenda, the only thing I have read from you is a dirty mouth, that I do know.
Do yourself a favour-change for God" pray for you and I-repent and ask for your forgiveness, and lets move on..

If you look hard enough you'll see and read me backing up my posts with bible knowledge

We are not fishers of men, for nothing
I am prepared for anything to catch the fish first, before without having it in hand, going to descale and skin it

You're still combative and in a clever and indirect way antagonistic
I see you havent run out of knives
How many more daggers have you got left in your satchel to throw at me
I anticipate when you get to the last, to then stab with it, digging and turning it in, for maximum damage

The problem we have on this forum, we are only connected through letter-If we could have that chance to meet in person-I am sure none what we say-would be offensive, my English of course is different to your English, we are from different countries-having different lingo's-that have different meanings-my country we talk slang-we like to take the short cuts in our sentencing.
So how I write it, is not always what you see it to be. I do admit I may come in strong-and it may sound offensive to others, but the bottom line is we are Christians-learning from each other-and If any argument isn't going anywhere-then the next best thing to do as Christians-learn by our mistakes, forgive and forget, and move on to the next chapter in life.
We have a job to do-our job is to bring the gospel to the nations-our job is to come together in one accord-our job is to believe the Word of God-we are here to support those who have falling from their first love.
I am a non tither-and when someone claims they have worldly riches because they tithe-as a brother in Christ, as strong as it may sound, I will try to support my brother sister to get them back on course. Now we all know practicing tithing is unbiblical, Christians from different denominations that practices anything other then the truth-then my question is-how can we believe they even know God-when they practice another gospel!
So everything is forgiven and forgotten? Allow us the move forward. And I say to you-Thank you..

MuttleyLaff:
Your wish is my command
I wish I can hold you to your promise
and hope that you wont sneak a subtle shade soon on me

It is 8:15 am

The church support the ethos of James 1:27

If you look hard enough you'll see and read me backing up my posts with bible knowledge

We are not fishers of men, for nothing
I am prepared for anything to catch the fish first, before without having it in hand, going to descale and skin it

You're still combative and in a clever and indirect way antagonistic
I see you havent run out of knives
How many more daggers have you got left in your satchel to throw at me
I anticipate when you get to the last, to then stab with it, digging and turning it in, for maximum damage

brocab:
The problem we have on this forum, we are only connected through letter-If we could have that chance to meet in person-I am sure none what we say-would be offensive, my English of course is different to your English, we are from different countries-having different lingo's-that have different meanings-my country we talk slang-we like to take the short cuts in our sentencing.
So how I write it, is not always what you see it to be.
I do admit I may come in strong-and it may sound offensive to others,
but the bottom line is we are Christians
-learning from each other-and If any argument isn't going anywhere-
then the next best thing to do as Christians
-learn by our mistakes, forgive and forget, and move on to the next chapter in life.

All I read from you are conjectures after conjectures,

What makes you believe your English of course is different to my English,
that we are from different countries-having different lingos
that have different meanings, that in your country you talk slangs,
or that no other except you like to take the short cuts in their sentencing.

The argument isn't going anywhere, because its your argument.
An argument is an exchange of ignorance, I've refused to be part of it
and so had been you all the while arguing with yourself.

You've also been busy slinging and throwing subtle shades talking trash and whatnot
It's ironic, you dont see the unbelievable amount of ignorances in your comments

I just wish you pay more attention in your next comment,
and pay less attention in looking for "a forgive and forget" after putting your foot, again, in your mouth
brocab, it's often wise to say nothing, than posting remarks that betray a lack of sensitivity when interacting with others

Learn from the mistakes

brocab:
We have a job to do-our job is to bring the gospel to the nations
-our job is to come together in one accord-our job is to believe the Word of God
-we are here to support those who have falling from their first love.

If not being convicted by their own conscience, what next will you do?

brocab:
I am a non tither-and when someone claims they have worldly riches because they tithe
-as a brother in Christ, as strong as it may sound, I will try to support my brother sister to get them back on course.
Now we all know practicing tithing is unbiblical, Christians from different denominations that practices anything other then the truth
-then my question is-how can we believe they even know God-when they practice another gospel!

"If someone won't welcome you or listen to your message,
leave their home or town.
And shake the dust from your feet at them."
- Matthew 10:14

brocab:
So everything is forgiven and forgotten?
Allow us the move forward.
And I say to you-Thank you..

Water under bridge
I hold no grudge against you, nor harbor any bad feelings towards you

Since forgiveness is good and is one way to get rid of resentment, if any,
then I hereby, extend and hold out an olive branch to you, and say "Go and sin no more".
Just make sure that the cutting remark(s) and/or your sarcastic dig(s) doesn't start all over again
Let bygones be bygones, let's move forward Jack.

Firstly you wouldn't have a clue-different lingo's have different meanings-everybody knows that, all I tried to do is explain the situation, I was trying to help you understand but that didn't work-you are so religious "So this argument is my argument now?
It is really nice of you to decide to turn it over the me so you can feel it's all Brocab's fault" I do remember you came against me-Wow-it was you swearing at me and carrying on over your dear friend, and now you say you refused to be part of it, you attack me, you started mouthing off at me, I didn't come at you using bad language, you used bad lingo to try to frighten me-you even tried to threaten me" I am not welcomed and no-one likes me! I have only heard this sort of lingo from Catholic's, Religious people don't like me! Who cares, I am here because I have chosen to be..
Are you so religious that you think your denial will save you-do yourself a favour ask me to forgive you.
{1 Timothy 5:13} wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but gossips and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
{Brocab it's often wise to say nothing, than posting remarks that betray a lack of sensitivity when interacting with others}
Is there only sensitivity on your behalf using bad language against another fellow Christian-Is this real-I wanted to lay everything down between us-I tried to be nice about it, I tried to explain myself hoping you would understand-but obviously you have no intentions to even try, obviously it's always the case the blame game against Brocab strikes again? It's all Brocab's fault!
I am not after sympathy-I was asking to let things lie between us-forgive and forget move on to our next chapter-I was hoping God had laid it upon your heart, like He had laid it upon my heart to forgive and move on..
Well obviously that didn't work! it isn't wise to point your finger-when we are all sinners with faults, the Pharisee prayed, I thank thee Lord I am not one like Brocab the tax collector-Am I the only one with faults-isn't the mirror big enough for both of us? is there any room left in you to forgive without any last words so we can finally let things lay low, or is there more unsatisfied lingo to be said: before this matter is closed-is there anybody out there-you need forgiveness for, or maybe you need to forgive also?
{Matthew 10:14} If someone won't welcome you or listen to your message, leave their home or town. And shake the dust from your feet at them."
Well I have just shake'd the dust of my feet! but remember I will always be around the corner writing and reading the Word of God, see you on the merry go round, "May the Lord give you wisdom and knowledge and understanding, so with everything you touch read or write, it's a blessing to your soul heart and mind.. Bye..

MuttleyLaff:
All I read from you are conjectures after conjectures,

What makes you believe your English of course is different to my English,
that we are from different countries-having different lingos
that have different meanings, that in your country you talk slangs,
or that no other except you like to take the short cuts in their sentencing.

The argument isn't going anywhere, because its your argument.
An argument is an exchange of ignorance, I've refused to be part of it
and so had been you all the while arguing with yourself.

You've also been busy slinging and throwing subtle shades talking trash and whatnot
It's ironic, you dont see the unbelievable amount of ignorances in your comments

I just wish you pay more attention in your next comment,
and pay less attention in looking for "a forgive and forget" after putting your foot, again, in your mouth
brocab, it's often wise to say nothing, than posting remarks that betray a lack of sensitivity when interacting with others

Learn from the mistakes

If not being convicted by their own conscience, what next will you do?

"If someone won't welcome you or listen to your message,
leave their home or town.
And shake the dust from your feet at them."
- Matthew 10:14

Water under bridge
I hold no grudge against you, nor harbor any bad feelings towards you

Since forgiveness is good and is one way to get rid of resentment, if any,
then I hereby, extend and hold out an olive branch to you, and say "Go and sin no more".
Just make sure that the cutting remark(s) and/or your sarcastic dig(s) doesn't start all over again
Let bygones be bygones, let's move forward Jack.

brocab:
Firstly you don't know my Country
-you wouldn't have a clue-different lingo's have different meanings-everybody knows that,
all I tried to do is explain the situation, so this argument is my argument now?

Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?
I just knew you'll find it hard to let bygones be bygones, land to let's move forward
I knew you'll find it hard not to make the cutting remark(s)
and/or for your sarcastic dig(s) to soon start all over again

I dont want to know your country,
I couldn't give a rat's arse knowing or not knowing your country

If you're really clued up, you would've realised that, by saying you're having an argument with yourself, means, you're sharing your ignorance
An argument an exchange of ignorance.
It's out of extreme ignorance that you're making your faux pas comment, trying to prove you're right in what you said about Petra1.

brocab:
you came against me-Wow
-it was you swearing at me

Where? Where did I swear at you?

brocab:
and carrying on over your dear friend
-and now you refused to be part of it, you attack me, and started mouthing off,
I didn't come at you using bad language, you used bad lingo to try to frighten me off
-threatening me that I am not welcomed and no-one likes me!

Drama queen?
Where, when?
What bad lingo did I use to try to frighten me off?
When did I threaten you that you're not welcomed and that no-one likes me
Are you Billy no-mates?

brocab:
{Brocab it's often wise to say nothing, than posting remarks that betray a lack of sensitivity when interacting with others}
Had you learnt anything from your statement above
-I wanted to lay things down between us
-I tried to be nice about it, I tried to explain myself hoping you would understand
-but obviously you have no intentions to even try
-you can't see it
-obviously it's always the case the blame game against Brocab strikes again?

"Looking at petra1 photo he doesn't look like a rich man,
if tithing is his main goals, then he needs to prove this
by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man
-his cheap clothing tells the story!"
- brocab © 2:47am On Sep 15

"Are you a homosexual you fantasise over men?"
- brocab © 5:22am On Sep 24

You think you're clever, and that no one will find out your sneakiness
At least you had the good sense to edit out your 5:22am On Sep 24 comment about my sexuality SMH

brocab:
I am not after your sympathy
-I was asking lets forgive and forget move on to our next chapter
-I was hoping God had laid it upon your heart, like He had laid it upon my heart to forgive and move on..

I am sorry to be the one letting you know that, you dont know what "lets forgive and forget, move on to our next chapter" means
Aren't you tired of digging up whats already being buried?
Why cant you practice what you preach?
I thought you were an advocate of "lets forgive and forget, move on to our next chapter"
Please keep your word, let your next comment be about whats on the next chapter and not whats in the past

brocab:
Well obviously that didn't work!
Am I the only one with faults
-is there any room left in you to forgive without any last words so we can finally let things lie,
or is there more unsatisfied lingo to be said: before this matter is closed
-is there anybody out there-you need forgiveness and to forgive also?

I have no further comment to make other than saying:
Water under bridge
I hold no grudge against you, nor harbor any bad feelings towards you

Since forgiveness is good and is one way to get rid of resentment, if at all, there was any,
then I hereby, extend and hold out an olive branch to you, and say "Go and sin no more".
Just make sure that the cutting remark(s) and/or your sarcastic dig(s) doesn't start all over again
Let bygones be bygones, let's move forward Jack.

Remember forgive and forget-Sorry I have wiped my feet and moved on!

MuttleyLaff:
Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?
I just knew you'll find it hard to let bygones be bygones, land to let's move forward
I knew you'll find it hard not to make the cutting remark(s)
and/or for your sarcastic dig(s) to soon start all over again

I dont want to know your country,
I couldn't give a rat's arse knowing or not knowing your country

If you're really clued up, you would've realised that, by saying you're having an argument with yourself, means, you're sharing your ignorance
An argument an exchange of ignorance.
It's out of extreme ignorance that you're making your faux pas comment, trying to prove you're right in what you said about Petra1.

Where? Where did I swear at you?

Drama queen?
Where, when?
What bad lingo did I use to try to frighten me off?
When did I threaten you that you're not welcomed and that no-one likes me
Are you Billy no-mates?

"Looking at petra1 photo he doesn't look like a rich man,
if tithing is his main goals, then he needs to prove this
by his structure 'looking at him he smiles like a poor man
-his cheap clothing tells the story!"
- brocab © 2:47am On Sep 15

"Are you a homosexual you fantasise over men?"
- brocab © 5:22am On Sep 24

You think you're clever, and that no one will find out your sneakiness
At least you had the good sense to edit out your 5:22am On Sep 24 comment about my sexuality SMH

I am sorry to be the one letting you know that, you dont know what "lets forgive and forget, move on to our next chapter" means
Aren't you tired of digging up whats already being buried?
Why cant you practice what you preach?
I thought you were an advocate of "lets forgive and forget, move on to our next chapter"
Please keep your word, let your next comment be about whats on the next chapter and not whats in the past

I have no further comment to make other than saying:
Water under bridge
I hold no grudge against you, nor harbor any bad feelings towards you

Since forgiveness is good and is one way to get rid of resentment, if at all, there was any,
then I hereby, extend and hold out an olive branch to you, and say "Go and sin no more".
Just make sure that the cutting remark(s) and/or your sarcastic dig(s) doesn't start all over again
Let bygones be bygones, let's move forward Jack.

brocab:
Remember forgive and forget
-Sorry I have wiped my feet and moved on!

I remember quite alright,
so dont need you reminding.
Afterall, isnt this what we've been talking about and/or yearning for.
- a cleaned slate?

Praise the Lord for ever more-have a good day! And anytime you want to say Hello, feel free to do so! I am just around the corner..

MuttleyLaff:
I remember quite alright,
so dont need you reminding.
Afterall, isnt this what we've been talking about and/or yearning for.
- a cleaned slate?

brocab:
Praise the Lord for ever more-have a good day!

Praise the Lord for ever more-have a better day!

brocab:
And anytime you want to say Hello, feel free to do so! I am just around the corner..

And anytime you want to have a natter, feel free to do so!
I am just down the road, just out to sea

I am far far away, if you were to turn left at this point and turn right at that point, I am sure you will see my little Island flooding out in the middle of no-mans land, praising and worshipping the Son-while the rest of the world is enjoying the Sun...

MuttleyLaff:
Praise the Lord for ever more-have a better day!

And anytime you want to have a natter, feel free to do so!
I am just down the road, just out to sea

OkaiCorne:


Ogbeni... I thought you mentioned you are no longer under the Law (Mosaic Law)...

If you are talking about weightier or lighter parts of the law to obey ... Then you're talking about obeying over 600 laws of Moses here...

I recall asking you earlier on this thread if you;

1) Do not shave as the Mosaic Law demands
2) Do not wear garments with mixed materials as the Mosaic Law demands.
3) Sew tassels at the corner of your clothes as the Mosaic Law demands

You replied you are no longer under the Law...
Now you're calling another person a hypothetical Pharisee for "frowning on the less weighty matters of the Law"... Can you see you're shooting yourself in the foot?

READ MY RESPONSE CAREFULLY AGAIN!

It's expected of any human being to show mercy, faith and Justice...this is matter of humanity. But can you prove to us that tithing is as essential, compulsory and important for every human being as Justice and Mercy?

Then read your Bible again...there were methods and procedures to administer justice and mercy under the Mosaic Law (yes...the weightier matters of the Law)... Are you bound as a follower of Jesus to follow the stringent requirements of the Mosaic Law to administer justice and mercy?

Mat 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 

The LORD Jesus said that the weightier matters of the law are judgment, mercy, and faith. But okaicorne is talking about 600 laws of Moses, maybe he is a comedian or drunk to think i would take his words higher than that of my Lord. You obviously lack understanding. i just said and quoted that tithing is NOT a weightier matter of the law and asked you why you obey the weightier matters of the law. But all of a sudden, you want me to "prove to us that tithing is as essential, compulsory and important for every human being as Justice and Mercy?" Tell me you were not typing under the influence.

Image123:


Mat 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 

The LORD Jesus said that the weightier matters of the law are judgment, mercy, and faith. But okaicorne is talking about 600 laws of Moses, maybe he is a comedian or drunk to think i would take his words higher than that of my Lord. You obviously lack understanding. i just said and quoted that tithing is NOT a weightier matter of the law and asked you why you obey the weightier matters of the law. But all of a sudden, you want me to "prove to us that tithing is as essential, compulsory and important for every human being as Justice and Mercy?" Tell me you were not typing under the influence.

Are you under the Law? Yes or No.

Do you consult the Mosaic Law before showing Justice and Mercy?

Besides...do you tithe with dill, mint and cummin as Jesus spelt out in Matthew 23 v 23?


Your answer to these questions will show you how silly it is asking me why I'm obeying the "weightier part of the law" ... When I was never under the Law in the first place...

Get the basics right. The Mosaic Law was for the Jews and not all of humanity.

Little wonder you'll find it difficult seeing gentiles like Job or Ruth or Luke and many others giving tithes!

Cc: brocab, Muttleylaff

I will give 1mage123 a little credit, he does stand fern with his beliefs, 1mage 123, is from another land in the past-the future today states not of Israel-not a Gentile-and not a Christian!
Everybody knows if a Jew believes in Christ, he/she is no longer a Jew 'but a Christian. But if a Christian does tithe, than he/she is no-longer a Christian, but a Old Testament Jew..
The truth is-we all need to go back to the Word of God-if tithing is never for the Christians, then it is best not to disobey the Word of God. "But if someone wanted to tithe then it's simple, he/she is deafeningly not practicing to be Christian, "but a Jew!

OkaiCorne:


Are you under the Law? Yes or No.

Do you consult the Mosaic Law before showing Justice and Mercy?

Besides...do you tithe with dill, mint and cummin as Jesus spelt out in Matthew 23 v 23?


Your answer to these questions will show you how silly it is asking me why I'm obeying the "weightier part of the law" ... When I was never under the Law in the first place...

Get the basics right. The Mosaic Law was for the Jews and not all of humanity.

Little wonder you'll find it difficult seeing gentiles like Job or Ruth or Luke and many others giving tithes!

Cc: brocab, Muttleylaff

Question: Please can any of the pro-tithers give an example of Christians in the Bible that tithed?

brocab:
I will give 1mage123 a little credit, he does stand fern with his beliefs, 1mage 123, is from another land in the past-the future today states not of Israel-not a Gentile-and not a Christian!
Everybody knows if a Jew believes in Christ, he/she is no longer a Jew 'but a Christian. But if a Christian does tithe, than he/she is no-longer a Christian, but a Old Testament Jew..
The truth is-we all need to go back to the Word of God-if tithing is never for the Christians, then it is best not to disobey the Word of God. "But if someone wanted to tithe then it's simple, he/she is deafeningly not practicing to be Christian, "but a Jew!

If he can bring examples of Christians that tithed from the Bible, that will give a headway in this discussion...

But he can't-no tither can, but he is determent about his beliefs-more then I could say about every other tither that had been on here, they vanish away after a short time.
It's usually the Pastor that reads their bible from the pulpit, not all tithers have that ability to even know what truth is! without proper teaching, some never change-pride comes before the fall, through prayer, these walls do come down-suddenly things about tithing usually change, they start realising the truth-for the first time' they are actually reading the Word of God, like they had never seen it written before.
'Many of us were taught that tithing belongs to God, I never liked tithing-it never felt right to tithe-I kept on asking God about tithing-some years later the truth was revealed, my heart was filled with joy-I repented and I returned myself back to God, tithing was always a lie from the beginning, it causes disputes and arguments, evil suspicion against the body of Christ.
It all begins with bible schools, new Pastors are taught to teach unbibical doctrines, with different denominations these bible schools offer health and wealth in the Church, to be honest, it is common sense why Christians would turn from the truth-they want 'what the Church wants. "Money.
I could remember the day's when I saw people carrying their bibles in Church, these day's it's changed-the Church had become lazy, Christians don't carry their bibles anymore, let alone reading one, the day's have passed away-is there no-one left testing the Word of God: is there no challenge, it is like the salt had lost it's flavour for Christ.{ Matthew 5:13-14}
It would be difficult to become a born again Christian in these last day's, who is there to teach them 'if not the Holy Spirit-'next question?
"The world had become busy, People never seem to have enough time to read their bibles anymore-I am finding it hard to find just one person to share the Word of God with? Christians have become really lazy when it comes to the Word of God-it is easier to obey Church rules and regulations, sing a few songs and listen to the Pastor telling them they are going to heaven!
I pray they do go to heaven, but I also pray they pick up their bibles ask the Lord to set them free.
The other day I studied Revelation about the two witnesses and the two olive trees-and It was just the other day I wanted to share my findings with other Christians, I manage to find a worship leader in Church, I thought he would know his bible-but he told me-he didn't know about these two witnesses, and he didn't want me to continual with it either?
So I decided to take my findings a little further, and I manage to speak with a Christian lady-behold before I knew it, she was confused, just as much as I was confused after I heard her reply-she returned her answer with the Antichrist, she believes Satan won't be the end time Antichrist, but the world will be Antichrist on return. "to be honest I wasn't sure about her reply, and I didn't really want to ask her' what she see's?
Kind of sad isn't it, Churches are loosing it's flavour in Christ, people don't seem to be interested any more, they claim they want Jesus, but they are not willing to spend time seeking Him, be like the Berean's in Paul's day {Acts 17:11} [color=#000099]Test everything-test the spirit, but test them all; hold on to what is good. {1 Thessalonians 5:21}

OkaiCorne:


If he can bring examples of Christians that tithed from the Bible, that will give a headway in this discussion...

Many taught from the pulpit think believers in Christ should tithe, defined as giving 10 percent of one’s income. Others that read their bibles are equally convinced tithing is not required for believers, and of course this certainly isn’t a matter over which believers should break fellowship. Love is far more important than our view on tithing.
{1 Corinthians 13} And still, I would argue tithing isn’t required or even encouraged for believers in Jesus Christ.
Tithing was deafeningly Old Testament-it was never required in the New Testament for Christians.
What does the Old Testament say about tithing? Abraham gave a tenth of his spoils of war to Melchizedek {Gen. 14:20 and Hebrews appeals to this account to support the superiority of Melchizedek’s priesthood over Levi’s {Hebrews. 7:4–10} God met Jacob at Bethel and promised him covenant blessings; the patriarch promised God a tenth of everything granted him {Gen. 28:22}
A tenth of Israel’s seed, fruit, and flocks were given to the Lord {Lev. 27:30–32; Deut. 14:22–24; cf. 2 Chron. 31:5–6; Neh. 13:5, 12} The people gave a tenth to the Levites to support them {Num. 18:21–24; cf. Neh. 10:38; 12:44} and the Levites, in turn, were to give a tenth to the chief priest {Num. 18:25–28}
Those who didn’t tithe were threatened with a curse, while those who did tithe were promised blessing {Mal. 3:8–10}
Though we might assume Old Testament Israel gave a total of 10 percent, it’s actually difficult to discern how much was given. We can’t linger over details in this short article, but some think the Israelites gave 14 tithes over seven years; others believe they gave 12. Regardless, when we add the required tithes together, the amount certainly exceeded 10 percent. In fact, the number was probably somewhere around 20 percent per year.
We will always argue with money hungry Christians why tithing is not required today-There are seven decisive good reasons for saying Christians are not required to tithe.
1. Believers are no longer under the Mosaic covenant {Romoms 6:14–15; 7:5–6; Galatians 3:15–4:7; 2 Corinthians 3:4–18}
The commands stipulated in the Mosaic covenant are no longer in force for believers. Some appeal to the division between the civil, ceremonial, and moral law to support tithing. Yet these divisions, I would observe, are not the basis Paul uses when addressing how the law applies to us today. And even if we use these distinctions, tithing is clearly not part of the moral law. It’s true the moral norms of the Old Testament are still in force today, and we discern them from the law of Christ in the New Testament, but tithing is not among these commands.
2. The examples of Abraham and Jacob are not normative patterns.
Some think tithing is required because both Abraham and Jacob gave a tenth, and they both lived before the Mosaic covenant was in place. Such examples hardly prove tithing is for all time, however. Abraham’s gift to Melchizedek was a one-time event; there is no evidence he regularly gave God a tenth.
Jacob’s giving of a tenth signified his gratefulness to God for promising to be with him and to protect him. His gratefulness and generosity still speak to us today, but a historical description of what Jacob gave doesn’t support the idea that all believers must give God a tenth of their income.
3. Tithes were given to the Levites and priests, but there are no Levites and priests in the new covenant.
Levites and priests were tied to the sacrificial system of the old covenant. Now all believers are priests {1 Peter 2:9; Revelation. 1:6; 5:10; 20:6} with Jesus as our Melchizedekian high priest {Hebrews 7}
4. The tithe is tied to the land Israel received under the old covenant.
Israel was supposed to celebrate a tithe every three years in Jerusalem. But that requirement cannot apply to Christians today. It related to the Jews as a nation—to Jews who lived in the land of promise. With the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation is no longer the locus of God’s people, though individual Jews are part of the church through faith in Jesus.
The earthly Jerusalem is no longer central in God’s purposes {Galatians 4:25} Believers are part of the heavenly Jerusalem {Galatians 4:26} and look forward to the city to come {Hebrews 11:10} to the new heavens and new earth {Revelation 21:1–22:5}Abraham isn’t heir of the land of Israel, but of the whole world {Romans 4:13}
5. If tithing is required today, how much should we give?
As noted above, the number was certainly more than 10 percent and closer to 20 percent. Those who advocate tithing should probably settle on 20 percent.
6. When Jesus affirmed the tithe, it was before the dawn of the new covenant.
Some defend tithing by saying Jesus praised tithing, even if he said it was less important than other things {Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42} This argument appears strong, but it’s not persuasive. Jesus also mentioned offering sacrifices in the temple, {Matthew 5:23–24} but Christians don’t think—even if the temple were rebuilt—that we should do that. Our Lord’s words are understandable when we think about his location in redemptive history.
Jesus spoke about sacrifices and tithing before the cross and resurrection, before the dawn of the new covenant. He used tithing and sacrifices as illustrations when addressing his contemporaries. He kept the law since He was “born under the law” {Galatians 4:4} But we can no more take his words as a commendation for tithing today than we can his words about offering sacrifices.
7. Nowhere is tithing mentioned when commands to give generously are found in the New Testament.
When Christians are instructed to give to the poor, they aren’t commanded to give “the poor tithe.” Instead, they are instructed to be generous in helping those in need {Acts 2:43–47; 4:32–37; 11:27–30; Galatians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 16:1–4; 2 Corinthians 8:1–9:15} For example, {1 Corinthians 16:1–4}a passage often cited in popular circles in support—doesn’t mention tithing; it relates to a one-time gift for poor saints in Jerusalem.
Give Generously-Even though tithing isn’t required today, it does not follow that believers should hoard their possessions.
We are commanded to support those who preach the gospel {Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7; 1 Corinthians 9:6–14; 1 Timothy 5:17–18} And while we should enjoy the good things God gives us, we are also called to be generous to those in need {1 Timothy 6:17–19; 2 Corinthians 8–9} Wealth can so easily become an idol, leading us to abandon the Lord.
Since God is to be our treasure, believers are to give generously and freely. For many in the West, this will mean giving more than 10 percent. Still, Scripture doesn’t command Christians to give a tenth—and Scripture, not tradition, is our only rule and authority.

Eclairs:
It's no longer new we interpret our bibles in our own way and though you made some brilliant comments, your article may be seen as a way to justify ur decision not to pay tithe. Cant really begin to comment on al issues raised but my question to you is this. If we say tithin was directed to the isrealite/ levites as at tht time, does it mean the teachings of Jesus was also directed to those he was addressin as at tht time?

Countless time, I hav been severely purnished when I try to evade tithin. I'd miss my flight due to circumstance beyond my control, I'd get dupped on the high street and loads more but I thank God, it's al in the past.

ur article is sure to discourage loads of tithe payin believers but those who hav tastd the reward of tithin like me, will nt be moved. I however commend u for ur time in the article and hope nairalanders take time in readin it as well.

You missed your flight because you didn't pay tithes?? Waoh!!! This is getting interesting. We are here to learn and it would have been nice if you gave scriptures to help us other personal sentiments whicg is mostly subjective

Image123:


there is a simplicity we have in Christ today(2cor11v3) that some Christians don't like.its unfortunate that many need FULL proof before obedience to simple almost insignificant(matt23v23) commands.This is contrary to the faith of most of the saints of old.They didn't have the 'show me where,are you sure,I'm not convinced' attitude.Its hard 4me to reason how you 'll say you can gladly give 100% or more to yourself and the 'poor' and you find it sacrilege to give just 10% to those of the household of God.
Anyway,lets remember that scripture must agree with scripture,Deut14:22-29 shouldn't be taken in isolation.In the bible,there are different types of tithes just as there are different types of offerings.Tithes are even sometimes classed under offerings.Recall 'bring ye ALL the tithes'?Let me quickly point out 3 different tithes in the law. Tithes to the levite in the temple(see deut12v5,6 or numbers18v21),tithes to levites and poor around you at home(see deut14v27-29),tithe for even youself(See deut12v17),tithes for God(nehemiah10v38,39),
I don't love going into history but for you,understand that there was a first tithe that was given to the Levites, out of which they paid a tenth part to the priests, Num18:24-28; Neh10:37, Neh10:38. Then of that which remained, the owners separated a second tithe, which they ate before the Lord the first and second year; and in the third year it was given to the Levites and to the poor, Deut14:28, Deut14:29. In the fourth and fifth years it was eaten again by the owners, and in the sixth year was given to the poor. The seventh year was a Sabbath to the land, and then all things were common, Exo_23:10, Exo_23:11.
Notice the progression explained above again.Deut14:22 says "tithe ALL" year after year(each year).then verses23-26 says eat second tithe with your household in Jerusalem,then verse27-29 says tithe(simply meaning one tenth) to levites[NB;not levite priests in Jerusalem] around you and the poorSaround you.

Once again,please note the different time frames and the different groups of people they were to offer tithes to.Now as believers,its important we realise that giving of alms is DIFFERENT from giving to GOD.We shouldn't compare our generous giving to the poor to our giving to God.God is not a beggar,He demands your tithes.Infact He accuses of robbery.That isn't to say that He is desperate for it.He wants us to give alms to the poor around us today and He also wants us to pay our tithes and offerings into HIs house.The world was majorly an agrarian society until recently some centuries ago.today,unlike then, they say the world is all about the benjamins.But if you are a farmer and you feel compelled to bring a tithe of your crops and not money,i think your church might accept it.But if you aren't, I think the most convenient one-tenth of your income will be money.God be with you

I beg to differ! Giving to the poor is the surest way to give to God. Have you come across the passage that says whatever you do to the least of my brother that you do unto me. Math 25 vs 31 to 40! Careful about what you say. God is passionate about the less privileged