ndu_chucks: I feel sorry for the confused lot who have 201 gods who are pulling them every which way. The Ooni who serves only one God seems to be wiser than you people. If Ooni's actions do not show you that your 201 gods are useless, nothing else will. No wonder the most SW muslims seems incapable of practicing true Islam and most of their Christian "Pastors" are money pastors. SMH

I'd suggest that people should not wastre their time in trying to reason with people like narrow minded babapupa. His "cogent" points are usually filled with name calling and other abuses just like eko ile's.

nobaga: 1. We must separate personalities from offices. Ooni is the father, Alafin is the son and Oba of Benin is the grandson.

2. A church has no place in the most recognized, most studied and most respected religion in Africa.

ndu_chucks: I feel sorry for the confused lot who have 201 gods who are pulling them every which way. The Ooni who serves only one God seems to be wiser than you people. If Ooni's actions do not show you that your 201 gods are useless, nothing else will. No wonder the most SW muslims seems incapable of practicing true Islam and most of their Christian "Pastors" are money pastors. SMH

I'd suggest that people should not wastre their time in trying to reason with people like narrow minded babapupa. His "cogent" points are usually filled with name calling and other abuses just like eko ile's.

Tolexander: bro! It is not 201 gods but 401 deities.
Ooni doesn't serve one god. He participates in every spiritual appease to many of the deities either in appearance or absential, most especially olojo festival of ogun worshipping that always take place in oke moogun.
Few years ago he tried renouncing idol worshipping and said he wouldn't be participating in that years olojo festival but he became sick to the point of death and had no choice and faith than to revert his renounciation.
Igbos mostly practice catholism and catholism has its roman culture acquisition to the christianity they practise like all these xmas, rosery and co likewise yorubas with the christianity diluted with indigenous religions.

ndu_chucks:

This is quite interesting. Can you provide any evidence to support the idea that Ooni became sick because of his renunciation of idol worshiping? It appears to have been a coincidence at best, if Ooni was sick right after the said renunciation. Secondly, I'd appreciate any evidence to support the notion that Ooni reverted the renunciation.

I'm here to learn. Have you been satisfied in your mind that these deities are more than a mere figment of your imagination? If so please share with me how you arrived at the conclusion. Thanks in advance.

ndu_chucks:

This is quite interesting. Can you provide any evidence to support the idea that Ooni became sick because of his renunciation of idol worshiping? It appears to have been a coincidence at best, if Ooni was sick right after the said renunciation. Secondly, I'd appreciate any evidence to support the notion that Ooni reverted the renunciation.

I'm here to learn. Have you been satisfied in your mind that these deities are more than a mere figment of your imagination? If so please share with me how you arrived at the conclusion. Thanks in advance.

ndu_chucks:

This is quite interesting. Can you provide any evidence to support the idea that Ooni became sick because of his renunciation of idol worshiping? It appears to have been a coincidence at best, if Ooni was sick right after the said renunciation. Secondly, I'd appreciate any evidence to support the notion that Ooni reverted the renunciation.

I'm here to learn. Have you been satisfied in your mind that these deities are more than a mere figment of your imagination? If so please share with me how you arrived at the conclusion. Thanks in advance.

tpia@:


i dont see what's so unbelievable about his claim. Not a big deal either, imo.

what do you find mysterious in what he said?

Tolexander: am in ife town schooling from childhood. And besides i have elders who are chiefs and clergy that always go to the palace often that do tell me what happens in the palace in enuwa.
Do i need giving a link to what i know?

ndu_chucks:

With due respect, I need more than tales from elders to buy what you've said. As you can tell from this thread, many Yoruba sons have differing opinions about the origin and role of the Ooni, so the facts that you schooled in Ife town and certain elders told you certain things, are not convincing enough for me. Such a pronouncement by the Ooni and its accompanying renunciation must have been publicized or documented. Please provide any evidence you have other than hearsay to make your claims believable

ndu_chucks:

This is quite interesting. Can you provide any evidence to support the idea that Ooni became sick because of his renunciation of idol worshiping? It appears to have been a coincidence at best, if Ooni was sick right after the said renunciation. Secondly, I'd appreciate any evidence to support the notion that Ooni reverted the renunciation.

I'm here to learn. Have you been satisfied in your mind that these deities are more than a mere figment of your imagination? If so please share with me how you arrived at the conclusion. Thanks in advance.

Tolexander: haw does it affects me if you bought it or not? I narrated my own memoir of the incidence of what i heard from chiefs and priest you are asking for a link that has nothing to do with your daily living.
If you are not satisfied with it, then leave it or better still go to the palace and ask the ooni himself for full confirmation.
Chinua Achebe wrote his own memoir of the civil war, did he provide a link for it, or is he an ominiprescent that was present and witnessed every events that preceded and during the civil war? Yet you stil believed he said the truth!

Rossikk:

JESUS IS AN IDOL AND A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION. THE WHITE MAN, LACKING PROOF OF ANYTHING IN THE BIBLE, GOT AROUND THAT BY WARNING YOU TO ''SHUT UP AND SIMPLY HAVE FAITH'', AND LIKE A TRUE SHEEP (MUGU), YOU OBEYED.

9jacrip: I wonder what business/connection/hard-on an 'Ndu' has towards Ooni and Ile-Ife/Yoruba

ndu_chucks:

Lets hope that you remember that this is Nairaland and not Ifeland, Olorisaland, OmoObatalaLand, e.t.c. mumu

ndu_chucks: I feel sorry for the confused lot who have 201 gods who are pulling them every which way. The Ooni who serves only one God seems to be wiser than you people. If Ooni's actions do not show you that your 201 gods are useless, nothing else will. No wonder the most SW muslims seems incapable of practicing true Islam and most of their Christian "Pastors" are money pastors. SMH

I'd suggest that people should not wastre their time in trying to reason with people like narrow minded babapupa. His "cogent" points are usually filled with name calling and other abuses just like eko ile's.

Tolexander: since u believe there should be a proof to every news.
Provide a proof and link that there are 201 gods!
Provide a link that Ooni has worship just only one God!
These are questions you must answer pronto!

Provide a proof and link that there are 201 gods!

Provide a link that Ooni has worship just only one God!

ndu_chucks:

I would have preferred that you tried to provide corroboration for your stance instead of asking me for proof. Since you don't appear to know the answers to these questions, I'll tell you the source of my information which I believe is better than hearsay by some faceless elders.



My information came from the book "City of 201 Gods: Ile Ife In Time, Space and the Imagination’ and In My Father’s Parsonage" by Harvard University Professor of World Religion, Prof. J. K. Olupona.appeal to authority! I did not get the information from some illeterate chief who is ready to sell his soul for N100,000.

The truth of the matter is that you people do not even know exactly how many deities you have. I bet you cannot name 30 of the deities, if you can name only 30 of the 201 or 401 of them,why do i need mentioning them? Just like saying i should mention the over 260 languages in nigeria. I will offer you a public apology, right here and now. Your apology is as useful as the paper in the dustbin that is useless to me.



This seems like a dumb question. I think it is safe to assume that the Ooni is a Christian unwarranted assumption! who is dedicated enough to build a Church inside the palace argumentum ad ignorantium!. Now if you claim that, the Alafin, like many confused Christians in the SW, also worship other juju gods, you may have a point, irrelevant ground! though you are yet to prove that either.

ndu_chucks:

I would have preferred that you tried to provide corroboration for your stance instead of asking me for proof. Since you don't appear to know the answers to these questions, I'll tell you the source of my information which I believe is better than hearsay by some faceless elders.



My information came from the book "City of 201 (1)Gods: Ile Ife In Time, Space and the Imagination’ and In My Father’s Parsonage" by Harvard University Professor of World Religion, Prof. J. K. Olupona(2). I did not get the information from some illeterate chief who is ready to sell his soul for N100,000.

The truth of the matter is that you people do not even know exactly how many deities you have. I bet you cannot name 30 of the deities, if you can name only 30 of the 201 or 401 of them(3), I will offer you a public apology, right here and now.(4)



This seems like a dumb question. I think it is safe to assume that the Ooni is a Christian(5) who is dedicated enough to build a Church inside the palace (6)). Now if you claim that, the Alafin, like many confused Christians in the SW, also worship other juju gods(7), you may have a point, though you are yet to prove that either.

ndu_chucks:

I would have preferred that you tried to provide corroboration for your stance instead of asking me for proof. Since you don't appear to know the answers to these questions, I'll tell you the source of my information which I believe is better than hearsay by some faceless elders.



My information came from the book "City of 201 Gods: Ile Ife In Time, Space and the Imagination’ and In My Father’s Parsonage" by Harvard University Professor of World Religion, Prof. J. K. Olupona. I did not get the information from some illeterate chief who is ready to sell his soul for N100,000.

The truth of the matter is that you people do not even know exactly how many deities you have. I bet you cannot name 30 of the deities, if you can name only 30 of the 201 or 401 of them, I will offer you a public apology, right here and now.



This seems like a dumb question. I think it is safe to assume that the Ooni is a Christian who is dedicated enough to build a Church inside the palace. Now if you claim that, the Alafin, like many confused Christians in the SW, also worship other juju gods, you may have a point, though you are yet to prove that either.

ndu_chucks:

I would have preferred that you tried to provide corroboration for your stance instead of asking me for proof. Since you don't appear to know the answers to these questions, I'll tell you the source of my information which I believe is better than hearsay by some faceless elders.



My information came from the book "City of 201 Gods: Ile Ife In Time, Space and the Imagination’ and In My Father’s Parsonage" by Harvard University Professor of World Religion, Prof. J. K. Olupona. I did not get the information from some illeterate chief who is ready to sell his soul for N100,000.

The truth of the matter is that you people do not even know exactly how many deities you have. I bet you cannot name 30 of the deities, if you can name only 30 of the 201 or 401 of them, I will offer you a public apology, right here and now.



This seems like a dumb question. I think it is safe to assume that the Ooni is a Christian who is dedicated enough to build a Church inside the palace. Now if you claim that, the Alafin, like many confused Christians in the SW, also worship other juju gods, you may have a point, though you are yet to prove that either.

sweet_gala: Ndu chucks what exactly is your business with the office of the Ooni or the 201 Yoruba deities. You only seem to be here to enrage and offend Yoruba people. You have in this thread debased and ridiculed Yoruba tradition.

To put facts out there Okunade Sijuwade is not the first Ooni to be active within the Anglican commune. Bofore him Titus Martins Adesoji Aderemi was a treasurer of St Peters Church Iremo and worshiped there till his death in 1980, though no churches were built within the palace during his reign he invested much effort in developing the church. I am his grandchild was christined at that church as several of his children, grandchildren and great grandchildren,that is our family church and hold our ceremonies there and my grandmother was 2yrs ago honoured with a post at said church so nothing new.

All these don't take away from our tradition, I know for a fact Sijuwade was denied my grandfathers heart to eat as is customary cause my grandfather claimed he did not partake of such when he Ascended the throne due to his Anglican faith.

I don't want to throw skeletons out that can dirty the royal house of which I belong but I'll tell you this the current ooni is very fetish and practices all religions available to him. He is however publicly Christian.

sweet_gala: Ndu chucks what exactly is your business with the office of the Ooni or the 201 Yoruba deities. You only seem to be here to enrage and offend Yoruba people. You have in this thread debased and ridiculed Yoruba tradition.

To put facts out there Okunade Sijuwade is not the first Ooni to be active within the Anglican commune. Bofore him Titus Martins Adesoji Aderemi was a treasurer of St Peters Church Iremo and worshiped there till his death in 1980, though no churches were built within the palace during his reign he invested much effort in developing the church. I am his grandchild was christined at that church as several of his children, grandchildren and great grandchildren,that is our family church and hold our ceremonies there and my grandmother was 2yrs ago honoured with a post at said church so nothing new.

All these don't take away from our tradition, I know for a fact Sijuwade was denied my grandfathers heart to eat as is customary cause my grandfather claimed he did not partake of such when he Ascended the throne due to his Anglican faith.

I don't want to throw skeletons out that can dirty the royal house of which I belong but I'll tell you this the current ooni is very fetish and practices all religions available to him. He is however publicly Christian.

Tolexander:
(1) ife dont called them 401 gods but deities.