By C.EYUTCHAE

It was Professor Anta Diop of Senegal who observed that ethnic groups often do not realize the extent to which they share kinship with the language, culture, traditions and historical socio-political structures, evolved by communities they have come to view as rivals. Indeed ethnic groups tend to see themselves as self-enclosed communities. But as an example are the Luluas of Kenya aware of their kingship with the Luluas of Senegal?
By the same token how many of us in Nigeria are aware that Anambra State is the ancestral home of the Igalas, Ngwas, Jukuns and Binis? Yet it remains historically true that Anambra State is the birth place of the founding fathers of Bendel, Imo and Benue States. Hence in language classification these separated people speak a common language which forms part of Kwa group of West African languages.

From Archeological discoveries at Ugwuele near Okigwe dating their existence to some ages follows that the Igbos were descendants of the first men of earth now traced to the Oduvai Gorge in East Africa. In historical literature, the Igbos, originally known as Iduus had their territorial distribution covering South west of the African continent later converging at the whole of the low lying land mass North and South of the Niger and Benue river confluence, down the Niger and Anambra River basins right down to the Niger Delta and westward to River Okpara beyond Lagos as shown in Rev. Johnson’s map in his history of the Yorubas. Later the low land dwellers were characterized as the Olu and the highlanders as the Igbo.

Tradition
Waves of migratrants led by Eri settled at Anambra River basin, establishing the ancient Iduu Ime KINGDOM at Aguleri. Historical traditions relate that his progenitors included Agulu and Menri (from who were descended the Nri), Igbo, Igala, Oba (whose descendants were the Binis) Enuike and a daughter, Ulu-uwa.
Igbo, an itinerant missionary acquired large Iduu followers who became known as Igbo people thus losing their Iduu identity just as followers of Christ are called Christians whether they came from Rome, London or Bonn.
Eris other descendant Menri established a priestly kingdom at Nri known for purification ceremonies and coronation of tributary of Iduu Ime kingdom. Hence, the Eze Nri Obalike (Nri kings (1989-1935) in the first decade of the 20th century told the Government Anthropologist, Northcote Thomas, that the area subject to him was Iduu.

On the same matter Lawton wrote:
“A marked feature of this (Nri) tribe is its hostility to the European, natural enough, when it is remembered that prior to the British, the Obalike was Eze Nri and crowned the kings of Benin and presided over all the religious observation of surrounding peoples”.

It was the tradition that coronation titles were usually conferred on tributary kings by the ancestral Iduu Ime kingdom which also assigned to each a General as head of the palace guards. Hence in honour of their ancestor, Atta the ruler of Igala was titled Atta of Igala. The founders of Benin were the descendants of Oba Eri whose habitation was UgwuOgodo where exists today, the Ogodo spring in Umuleri, near Aguleri. Hence the Binis in modem times still trace their ancestry of “Igodo” a corruption of Ogodo, an Igbo word for elevated place. Hence the first king of Benin, Iweka (anglicized to Eweka) was titled Oba in honour of their ancestor, Oba Eri. Eweka is English spelling of Iweka just as the letter E in England is pronounced I, This name Iweka an Igbo name in full means Iweka n’uno. It reflected the internal feud at the time the-would-be king was born. His second name was Edoziuno, Edo for short, meaning peace maker, thus was derived Edo Kingdom.

The name Benin itself was a corruption of the Igbo words. 'llo obi inu', meaning a place of bitter mindedness, again reflecting the quarrelsomeness of the people at that time over kingship disputes. To the first Benin king was assigned General Ado from Iduu Ime as head of his palace guards. According to the tradition of the people, Egbunike, the founding father of the Ogbunikes has three brothers, Awkuzu, Umuleri and Nando and a sister, Nwonicha. General Ado who was assigned to the Oba of Benin, married Nwonicha and the marriage resulted in such progenies as Onitsha Ado, Ado Ekiti etc.

Background
The Marriage formed the basis of the link between Ogbunike and Onitsha, thus giving the historical background to the Igbo adage which says: “Afuzi Onicha, Ogbunike ewelu,” meaning in the absence of Onitsha, Ogbunike takes its turn. When therefore Eze Chima, a descendant of General Ado in his flight with others, first from Benin, then from Agbor, named his son Onitsha, in honour of their maternal ancestors, and established Onitsha Ugbo and Onitsha Olona and the entire Umu Ezechima being referred to as Onitsha Ado, the origin of nomenclature cannot therefore be in serious doubt.

The Igalas who are descendants of Atta Eri had their ancestral home in Aguleri in the area of Ama Atta (Atta-in-the-fields). Igala was said to be the father of Ikem and was reputed to have such descendants as Omor, Omasi and Umuneke. The Ikems had sometimes settled in Umukete Agukeri, whose descendants were supposed to be the Ikem of Nando, Ikems in Nsukka, Ikems in Onitsha and other areas.

It is relevant to note that in a preliminary statement on the excavation made in Aguleri by the Department of History and Archaeology, University of Nigeria, Nsukka, Dr. F.N. Anozie said that the excavation took place at a site known as “Okpuno Igala”; and that is known to everybody including school children in Aguleri as a deserted Igala settlement. He said, there were sites with walls, one deserted and the other still inhabited by a group of Aguleri people, who during the author’s filed work in the area said they had blood relations with the Igalas. At the approach is the Ama Atta which seemed to have once been a village square. Almost at the centre of the enclosure is a mound known as “Ukpo eze” (kings throne” and North –East of the mound is the Owelle Atta (toilet area) and Ajo Agu Atta (cemetery).

The present Umukete people in Aguleri who claim blood relationship with the Igala people have their village walled, and traces of the wall could still be seen today. When an elderly man from this group was asked by excavators from the University the relationship between them and the Igalas, he said that the father of Igala and Igbo were sons of the same parents and that whenever anybody from Umukete went to Idah he normally would go to greet the Atta or the King. The greeting usually went as follows: “Ata abikibo bie takata bie Igala” which translates the lgbo saying that “Igbo is senior to Atta and Atta begot lgala. This is also reflected in the lgbo saying that: lgbo mulu Atta, mana Atta mulu lgala.” This oneness of lgbo and lgala is also reflected in lgbo adage which says “Alusi lgbo jebe mbana, obulu, alusi obodo lgala” which interprets that the spirits of lgbo-land in transit constitutes the spirit of lgalaland. Those who still doubt the common ancestry of lgbo and lgala could refresh their memory with this popular lgbo adage which says, “ Egbusia lgbo nine, lgbo afodukwa na lgala”, meaning even if all lgbos are wiped out of existence, the lgbos still remain in lgalaland. As with lgala, so is ldoma, who still have remnants of ancestors of ldoma community in Aguleri.

Aku was the fourth son of Agulu whose pregnancy were the Jukuns. The Jukuns as a result of their assertion of their monarchical sovereignty moved North-East of the Middle Belt area. They adopted a kingship tradition that is based on the lgbo abuana (puffada) life cycle. As the puff ada is said never gives birth naturally, but that the young ones bores through its mother which dies in process, the Jukuns kings live very short lives, dying untimely after about seven years when there are signs of maturity of a successor.
The Jukuns greet their kings after his coronation as Agaba Iduu meaning” Iduu Field Marshal whereas in their ancestral lduu land, Agaba Iduu does not refer to the king but to a war lord. Traditionally, the Jukun king’s title is Annum Agaba or Ojogwu Oji Agaba. The Jukun separation from Iduu kingship tradition followed the battle of Nando waged against their relations, the Aguleries. It ended in the Jukuns settling up coronation spot in Wukari. Thus the Nandos in Wukari, in the Middle Belt are presumed to be relations to Ikem, son of lgala in Benue State, and the Nandos in the present Anambra Local Government Area.

The war of succession from lduu Kingdom was initiated by the Oba of Benin known in lgbo historical literature as Agha lduu na Oba. (war of the lduu and Oba). It was a protracted war that touched most lgbo areas. It was intensified when the Benins acquired arms from the Portuguese. Then followed the war of secession of lgala initiated by the Atta. General Ogbe the son of Ajide attacked him at ldah, and was supported by General Udenze who controlled the Anam riverine area. Onoja Nwoboli left Aguleri and joined the lgalas because he was one of the remnants of the lgala descendants still at their Aguleri ancestral home.

Disturbances
General Onoja was stopped at Ogurugu from pushing Southward by General Enewelue who founded the Anyamelum area and part of Nsukka districts. But some remnant of lgala at Aguleri loyal to Atta created disturbances at their Aguleri ancestral home which made a section of Okpuno Nri, to move in a hysteria of haste to the present Imo State where they settled as Ngwas, a name reflecting the nature of the hurry (ngwa ngwa) with which they fled.
Okpuno Nris were made up of Okpu-enu, Okpuana and Aro. From the Okpuno dynasty came Disi Nri whose descendants founded Abacha named after their leader, Ikendu Abacheleku, in the present Idemili Local Government Area. There the principal village is Umudisi. Their ancestral home is Umudisi village at Ikenga Aguleri. Of the Okpuno elements comprising Okpuenu, Okpuana and Aro, the Okpuana people during the lgala disturbances left in a hurry hence their present settlement is known as Okpuala Ngwa. In remembrance of their ancestral structure and traditions during the Annual get-together of the Ngwas of Okpuala, they usually went on a pilgrimage to Okpuno Ngwa.

This is culled from the Aka Ikenga site; I have read it extensively and some of the givings were actually made sense. I know about the term "Idu". It has been used in so many phrases like "agha Idu na oba","umu Idu na Oba","Agaba Idu","Ado na Idu" and I was also made to understand that the Onichas refer the Edo ppl as "Idu". I strongly believe that most southern groups are related.

op it is absolutely false! Today, it is igala. Tomorrow, idoma. Another day, it is lagos. Yet another day, it will be ibibio, jukun, ebira, tiv, chamba etc. If not becos you have problems with the hausas, you would have claimed them.
No attack meant, but let us forget any link. We are different people, preiod!

BTW, have you heard about the kwararafa kingdom? Google it if your ans is no. Thats where the igalas, idoma, jukun and chamba belong

Trouble sleep, yanga wan wake am. . .

NRI PRIEST: This is culled from the Aka Ikenga site; I have read it extensively and some of the givings were actually made sense. I know about the term "Idu". It has been used in so many phrases like "agha Idu na oba","umu Idu na Oba","Agaba Idu","Ado na Idu" and I was also made to understand that the Onichas refer the Edo ppl as "Idu". I strongly believe that most southern groups are related.

This is a mere figment of the writer's imagination. I however believe there was a place known as Ado na Idu where most lower Niger groups once lived and the place is probably around Benin city. There was also the "agha idu n'oba" which many Igbo groups have an oral history of being refugees of the war. In Igbo language "Idu" means leader, Oru means riverine people, Obiama means the source of origin of a people while "gbo" means ancient or bush people.

Some people are really dumb! A healthy man after reading this well stated history with instances,adages and quotes called it a figment? It's a pity!. I have always said it and insisted on it; igbo people are of the same root. Thank God that i wasn't the op of this thread. Op thumbs up!.

"Alusi igbo jebe mbana,obulu alusi obodo igala". "Egbusia igbo nine,igbo afodukwa na igala". How ancient are these sayings,if they are truely ancient sayings by our ancestors,then this igala story must be true.

Abagworo:

This is a mere figment of the writer's imagination. I however believe there was a place known as Ado na Idu where most lower Niger groups once lived and the place is probably around Benin city. There was also the "agha idu n'oba" which many Igbo groups have an oral history of being refugees of the war. In Igbo language "Idu" means leader, Oru means riverine people, Obiama means the source of origin of a people while "gbo" means ancient or bush people.

Idu does not mean leader,it means "to lead",morever the tone marking of the "iduu" we have in onicha ado na iduu,is quite different from the iduu that means "to lead". They are simply not pronounced alike,and can't have the same meaning.

I find the whole story,thought provoking,the general ado and nwonicha angle makes a lot of sense,but throwing ado ekiti into the mix is just overstretching. I equally found the onoja story quite interesting,and of course,the okpuno igala story. All in all,all these raise more questions,rather than answers, we need to invest heavily in archeology in igboland,we need to recover our lost history.

Abagworo:

This is a mere figment of the writer's imagination. I however believe there was a place known as Ado na Idu where most lower Niger groups once lived and the place is probably around Benin city. There was also the "agha idu n'oba" which many Igbo groups have an oral history of being refugees of the war. In Igbo language "Idu" means leader, Oru means riverine people, Obiama means the source of origin of a people while "gbo" means ancient or bush people.

Not that I believe everything the author said but the ancient adages and some of the instances he used made it believable.
Abagworo,what do you know about the "agha Idu na Oba" ?

NRI PRIEST:

Not that I believe everything the author said but the ancient adages and some of the instances he used made it believable.
Abagworo,what do you know about the "agha Idu na Oba" ?

That is the war which brought about the movement of the founders of Oguta from Benin to Agbor to Aboh and finally to Oguta.

Abagworo:

That is the war which brought about the movement of the founders of Oguta from Benin to Agbor to Aboh and finally to Oguta.

So,who and who was involved in the war?

NRI PRIEST:

So,who and who was involved in the war?

I wasn't born then.

Abagworo:

I wasn't born then.

But you started telling the story like you know all about the war....I know about it but I wanted you to go first for a reason.

I've always had a feeling that the Igbo race is the progenitor of so many tribes in Nigeria. But today no tribe will want to acknowledge this fact due to the detrabilized name and status given to the Igbo after the civil war.
The current trend within Igboland nowadays is claiming origin from other outside black tribes even when it could be false or vice versa. But the truth is gradually seeping out again. The Igbo people have been present in Africa for a very very long time, long before other tribes for them to be originated from them. Carbon dating results proves this fact.
Olukwumi (also called old yoruba) is spoken in two Igbo communities in delta state(though Igbo is more spoken). I believe that this is linguistic evidence and a reminder that some yoruba communities may have originated from Igbo land long long ago during the language spread and they moved westwards, leaving some folks behind. The migrant olukwumi group that left developed their language the more to what is now known as Yoruba dialects.
The history of Abeokuta has it that the area was originally populated by the Igbo people before it was invaded by foreigners who conquered and chased the natives away. The initial name of the place being 'ebe okwute' in Igbo meaning 'Place of stone' named so due to the heavy presence of stones and rocks, which was later corrupted to 'Abe okuta'. Interestingly enough, the meaning of abeoukta still remains the same in Igbo language as it is in Yoruba.
One doesn't seem to understand why there are many Yoruba communities that bear names with 'Igbo' attached to them. The 'Igbo' pronounced exactly the same way Igbo is pronounced natively in Igboland. Ijebu-Igbo, Igbo-ora for example.

bigfrancis21: I've always had a feeling that the Igbo race is the progenitor of so many tribes in Nigeria. But today no tribe will want to acknowledge this fact due to the detrabilized name and status given to the Igbo after the civil war.
The current trend within Igboland nowadays is claiming origin from other outside black tribes even when it could be false or vice versa. But the truth is gradually seeping out again. The Igbo people have been present in Africa for a very very long time, long before other tribes for them to be originated from them. Carbon dating results proves this fact.
Olukwumi (also called old yoruba) is spoken in two Igbo communities in delta state(though Igbo is more spoken). I believe that this is linguistic evidence and a reminder that some yoruba communities may have originated from Igbo land long long ago during the language spread and they moved westwards, leaving some folks behind. The migrant olukwumi group that left developed their language the more to what is now known as Yoruba dialects.
The history of Abeokuta has it that the area was originally populated by the Igbo people before it was invaded by foreigners who conquered and chased the natives away. The initial name of the place being 'ebe okwute' in Igbo meaning 'Place of stone' named so due to the heavy presence of stones and rocks, which was later corrupted to 'Abe okuta'. Interestingly enough, the meaning of abeoukta still remains the same in Igbo language as it is in Yoruba.
One doesn't seem to understand why there are many Yoruba communities that bear names with 'Igbo' attached to them. The 'Igbo' pronounced exactly the same way Igbo is pronounced natively in Igboland. Ijebu-Igbo, Igbo-ora for example.

I think, "igbo" means bush in yoruba language.

Aren't the Igbo bush people? I mean, they do their sacrifices in the bushes, obviously there is Igbo among the Yorubas (who were once conquered/ruled by the onitsha people).

bigfrancis21: I've always had a feeling that the Igbo race is the progenitor of so many tribes in Nigeria. But today no tribe will want to acknowledge this fact due to the detrabilized name and status given to the Igbo after the civil war.
The current trend within Igboland nowadays is claiming origin from other outside black tribes even when it could be false or vice versa. But the truth is gradually seeping out again. The Igbo people have been present in Africa for a very very long time, long before other tribes for them to be originated from them. Carbon dating results proves this fact.
Olukwumi (also called old yoruba) is spoken in two Igbo communities in delta state(though Igbo is more spoken). I believe that this is linguistic evidence and a reminder that some yoruba communities may have originated from Igbo land long long ago during the language spread and they moved westwards, leaving some folks behind. The migrant olukwumi group that left developed their language the more to what is now known as Yoruba dialects.
The history of Abeokuta has it that the area was originally populated by the Igbo people before it was invaded by foreigners who conquered and chased the natives away. The initial name of the place being 'ebe okwute' in Igbo meaning 'Place of stone' named so due to the heavy presence of stones and rocks, which was later corrupted to 'Abe okuta'. Interestingly enough, the meaning of abeoukta still remains the same in Igbo language as it is in Yoruba.
One doesn't seem to understand why there are many Yoruba communities that bear names with 'Igbo' attached to them. The 'Igbo' pronounced exactly the same way Igbo is pronounced natively in Igboland. Ijebu-Igbo, Igbo-ora for example.

Since you mentioned Yoruba here, it is important to clarify the relationships and the origin of Onitsha, which is the principal city in Anambra or anywhere in Igboland for that matter.

If you exclude Onitsha from the historical map, there is no Igboland.

Today Onitsha is in a Igbo speaking enclave, does that mean its roots is Igbo? Maybe, maybe not! So, to find the root of Onitsha you guys must first ask what Onitsha means in Igbo. What cults and rites of worship and land customs exist in Onitsha; What is the title of the Priest and so on....

Ado in Yoruba rooted language, Bini included, means Sovereingty. Idu means settlement or rest, like a place of rest or a camp of settlement.

If you have names like Onitsha, Ado, Idu, Obi, Oba, ....etc in Anambra, I dont care what language you speak in that enclave, its ancestral roots migrated out of a region dotted line to Ile-Ife. Period!

We ought to invade your land and evacuate all Onitshans back to their ancestral roots in Yorubaland.

Dudu_Negro:

Since you mentioned Yoruba here, it is important to clarify the relationships and the origin of Onitsha, which is the principal city in Anambra or anywhere in Igboland for that matter.

If you exclude Onitsha from the historical map, there is no Igboland.

Today Onitsha is in a Igbo speaking enclave, does that mean its roots is Igbo? Maybe, maybe not! So, to find the root of Onitsha you guys must first ask what Onitsha means in Igbo. What cults and rites of worship and land customs exist in Onitsha; What is the title of the Priest and so on....

Ado in Yoruba rooted language, Bini included, means Sovereingty. Idu means settlement or rest, like a place of rest or a camp of settlement.

If you have names like Onitsha, Ado, Idu, Obi, Oba, ....etc in Anambra, I dont care what language you speak in that enclave, its ancestral roots migrated out of a region dotted line to Ile-Ife. Period!

We ought to invade your land and evacuate all Onitshans back to their ancestral roots in Yorubaland.

What a dumb and very ignorant write-up coming from the typical ignorant south-westerner who has never left the confines of south west to journey out to other areas. I won't even begin to argue with you because first, your post indicates you're very dumb and second, no area in Igboland has its roots traced to the west. Instead, it should be the other way round. Carbon dating points out that the Igbo race is the oldest living tribe in Nigeria, and third in Africa, and they've been in their current area since 9AD. The yoruba were placed third, coming after the Igbo and one ghanaian tribe I can't recall the name. Definitely, we've been living too long here to have originated from mere recent settlers of the west.

Onitsha has a deep meaning in Igbo. Keep making up ignorant facts. Your delusion is gradually driving you to insanity. You think Onitsha (pronounced onicha) in Anambra state is the only place in Igboland bearing such name? Onitsha is a deep igbo word that is found as village names all over igbo land starting from Onicha-Olona in Delta state, to Onicha in Anambra, to Onicha LGA in Ebonyi state, to Onicha village, Ezinihitte Mbaise, Imo state. How would you know that when you've never left the confinements of south-west before. If your deluded mind leads you to think that Onicha is a corruption of your so-called Orisha then you must be nuts because the Onicha has a meaning in Igbo. In Igbo, we have Olisa which means 'God', which I guess your 'Orisha' is a corruption of. By the way, your equivalent is attributed to a deity and ours is attributed to the almighty supreme God. Clearly, your sick to have ever thought about that.

Idu is an ancestral name for Bini and never yoruba. Moreover, the Orba in Anambra state is a place/village and we have another place called Orba far far away in Nsukka, Enugu state. Need I remind you that the pronunciations of your Oba and our Orba are not the same neither are the pronunciations of Obi and Oba.

Keep wallowing in your sheer ignorance. The same ignorance you keep spitting from thread to thread. You've never left the confines of your state to travel out and gain practical knowledge and exposure yet you sit behind your computer pronouncing judgments and making delusional claims.

^^^
You have displayed your vulnerability as a weak logic when you choosed vulgarity as a vehicle of expression.

1. Bini is proto Yoruba. I challenge any Bini person to dispute.

2. Just because you have a thousand places named Onicha and not Onitsha does not negate the factvthatvthe etymology of Onitsha is Yoruba in origion and derives from Orisha.

3. Same goes for Orba or Oba or Obi as 2 above.

4. Whether Idu is Bini or not, the factvremains what I said that in both Yoruba and Bini, Idu means a stop or a rest or a settlement on a land.

For example..Iduro; Ido, Iddo.
Im doing a discussion on Yoruba words common with European languages and I want to also share with you that indeed "endure" is derived from "duro".....to be stationed or sustained.

5. If indeed carbon dating places Igboland as the first settlement in Nigeria then please share with us where in Igboland this settlement was camped at and what their culture and cults were.

If you do not answer anything else in your response, please I beg you answer 5 by all means; it is critical to the history of the Yorubaland that you call Onitsha.

Keep up with your chronic ignorance. I won't waste my energy on some trivial ignoramus.

After all that vulgar mouthful i cant believe you have no logical output to give. You sound like someone who know history....come on with it!

Punk as*'s!

Let me hear you mention Yoruba again on this discussion board....you will be called upon to dfend your idiotic claims.

Stewpid moro'n!

Between 1938-1959 Archeologists led by Thurston
Shaw at an Igbo-Ukwu excavation near Oaeri town
unearthed what is believed to be a mask portraying
an Igbo face. Also unearthed were bronze items, pots, bowls, etc., including a pot believed to be used in the coronation of Igbo Kings. Also found were bronze intricate beads that reflected wealth and artistic skill as well as attests to international trade by ancient Igbos. Archeological dating tests suggest Igbos have occupied Nigeria as early as 3,000 BCE. Radio carbon dating of the objects suggests that Igbos occupied Nigeria before 800 CE.

http://www.abrahamsdescendants.com/archaeological-evidence.html

Dating [edit]
The Radiocarbon dating technique was used to
determine the age of the Igbo-Ukwu site and
artifacts. Of six samples sent to the laboratory for
testing, the one from Igbo Isiah was destroyed when the apparatus went wrong, and consequently there are no dates from this site.[10] Of the remaining five samples, only one (sample I-2008), from the burial chamber (Igbo Richard), came from an artifact (wood from a stool) and therefore qualified for A1 status.
The remaining four samples from the Igbo Jonah site were all composite charcoal samples, presumed to date the source deposits of artifacts, and thus
qualified for A2 status.[10]
For sample I-2008 (Igbo Richard), a calendar range of 880-1160 AD was determined.[11] Of the other four samples from Igbo Jonah, sample HV1514 was dated at 760-1060 AD, sample HV1515 was dated 730-1000 AD, sample I 1784 was dated 690-1020 AD, and sample HV1516 was dated 1350-1430 AD.
The much later date determined for sample HV1516, as compared to all other samples, is explained by Shaw as most probably being as a result of contamination of the sample, going into detail to show in what ways this contamination may have come about.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_of_Igbo-Ukwu

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/10/a-journey-around-igbo-ukwu-bronze/

Never argue with a fool. He'll bring you down to his level and beat you hands down with his experience.

You are a dummy.

What relevance is radio carbon dating to your cultural beginning?

Mumu!

You started out telling us history of Yoruba but you dont even have clue of your own history.

I say tell us, this igbo settlement that was carbondated, where did it set foot. Where did these igbo ancestors set foot? Oyibo told you with carbondating who came to the land first but they failed to tell you where they came from or where they landed at and your punk aszs doesnt know but you want to tell Yoruba history.

Crazy mthfvkr!

At first the archaeological evidence tended to support this type of approach. The spectacular finds at Ife (Willett, 1967) suggested a wealthy,
sophisticated culture with kingship institutions
already established. Radiocarbon dates put the
'classical' period of Ife, art at about A.D. 1000-1400.
This neatly tallied with reconstructions of chronology based on the surviving kinglists of states like Oyo, Ketu, Benin and Ijebu. Their foundations were generally placed between the 13th and 15th centuries - perhaps about 1300 (Smith, 1969: 34), and the tradition that their founders came from Ife, was accepted at face value by many authors.

http://lucy.ukc.ac.uk/yorubat/yt2.html

Busted!
Igbos existed here long long ago, as far back as 3000BC or 800AD. No, keep claiming Onitsha now. Recent settlers coming to claim their fathers. You want to sit behind your computer and rewrite history. Come to Onicha to claim them with this your fabricated history and see if they'll not burn you to ashes. Oversized Ignoramus.

Oh, I see maybe you think onicha is pronounced onisha and that's what set your dumb brain thinking off point. Lmao.

I thought it was the Igalas in Anambra are the ones that traced their ancestry to Nri that's located in modern day Anambra. I could have sworn that was what they, the igalas, said about their ancestry. hmm.

Where is that igala boy on NL, wetin be his name again, anyway someone go call him, maybe he can shed light to my confusion.

Dudu_Negro:

Since you mentioned Yoruba here, it is important to clarify the relationships and the origin of Onitsha, which is the principal city in Anambra or anywhere in Igboland for that matter.

If you exclude Onitsha from the historical map, there is no Igboland.

Today Onitsha is in a Igbo speaking enclave, does that mean its roots is Igbo? Maybe, maybe not! So, to find the root of Onitsha you guys must first ask what Onitsha means in Igbo. What cults and rites of worship and land customs exist in Onitsha; What is the title of the Priest and so on....

Ado in Yoruba rooted language, Bini included, means Sovereingty. Idu means settlement or rest, like a place of rest or a camp of settlement.

If you have names like Onitsha, Ado, Idu, Obi, Oba, ....etc in Anambra, I dont care what language you speak in that enclave, its ancestral roots migrated out of a region dotted line to Ile-Ife. Period!

We ought to invade your land and evacuate all Onitshans back to their ancestral roots in Yorubaland.

Asaba and Onitsha share pretty much everything. Similar culture, ancestry, etc and I also lived and grew some part of my life up in Onitsha and I can accurately tell you, there is nothing yoruba about onitsha.

bigfrancis21:

Busted!
Igbos existed here long long ago, as far back as 3000BC or 800AD. No, keep claiming Onitsha now. Recent settlers coming to claim their fathers. You want to sit behind your computer and rewrite history. Come to Onicha to claim them with this your fabricated history and see if they'll not burn you to ashes. Oversized Ignoramus.

Oh, I see maybe you think onicha is pronounced onisha and that's what set your dumb brain thinking off point. Lmao.

Stop the silly grins, it doesnt look good on you, stewpid!

Carbondating is an approximation and not an absolute truth. Your culture on the other hand is a truth. Stop hugging carbondating to explain the origin of your culture.

Igbo is a language and not a land. Carbondating was done on the land and not on the tongue. So for the fifth time, where on the land did the first settlers in Nigeria set foot?

You dont know but you masking your lack of this knowledge with grins...wipe the grin off your bombastic face and start defending your claims that Abeokuta and Yorubaland were Igboland.

You nut!

One_Naira:

Asaba and Onitsha share pretty much everything. Similar culture, ancestry, etc and I also lived and grew some part of my life up in Onitsha and I can accurately tell you, there is nothing yoruba about onitsha.

There is no dispute that Asaba and Onitsha share everything and neither can I disregard your pride of upbringing in the culture of Onitsha.

This topic is about Anambra and Igala so you must ask why is Yoruba even here. When Yoruba is invoked, as done by that your suegbe "carbondating" brother, then Yoruba must respond to the call.

In due time the origin of Onitsha will be told here and I will be a very happy contributor. The Igbo nation has so far struggled with threats of internal division and has countered that by emphasizing commonality of tongue as element of unity and commonality in origin. In other words, if we speak same tongue we must be same people and from same origin. Not so. For now, I want the "carbondater" to prove his claims about Abeokuta and Yorubaland, the origin of Onitsha is not whatvthe topic is about.

Dudu_Negro: ^^^
You have displayed your vulnerability as a weak logic when you choosed vulgarity as a vehicle of expression.

1. Bini is proto Yoruba. I challenge any Bini person to dispute.

2. Just because you have a thousand places named Onicha and not Onitsha does not negate the factvthatvthe etymology of Onitsha is Yoruba in origion and derives from Orisha.

3. Same goes for Orba or Oba or Obi as 2 above.

4. Whether Idu is Bini or not, the factvremains what I said that in both Yoruba and Bini, Idu means a stop or a rest or a settlement on a land.

For example..Iduro; Ido, Iddo.
Im doing a discussion on Yoruba words common with European languages and I want to also share with you that indeed "endure" is derived from "duro".....to be stationed or sustained.

5. If indeed carbon dating places Igboland as the first settlement in Nigeria then please share with us where in Igboland this settlement was camped at and what their culture and cults were.

If you do not answer anything else in your response, please I beg you answer 5 by all means; it is critical to the history of the Yorubaland that you call Onitsha.

I'm from Onitsha and I'm quite sure we not Yoruba we are igbos who went to war with our brother igbos. As a matter a fact, it's some of the Yorubas who are actually Igbo, thanks to Queen Remi sacrifice e of her body to the igbos and her son. Places like Akure & Abeokuta were founded by the Onitsja people. Did you know that 10 villages in Onitsha are arochukwu? Yes, it's true. The other 4 villages are from anambra state. And two from igala(kogi). The current oba of Benin paternal home is actually Igbo. And the maternal home is Bini

Some even say Yoruba is a Hausa word and just recently came into existence

Others say the original Yorubas are the Itsekiri(who r original Bini)

This thread should be reawaken!