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Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by 4Play(m): 2:11pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
Yet another Obama thread,apologies to SabiSabi. I saw this interesting article in the Times(the real Times not the Yank version) One of Britain’s most influential black figures today accused Barack Obama of cynically exploiting America’s racial divide and gave warning that he could prolong, rather than heal the rift.Writing in Prospect, the monthly current affairs magazine, Mr Phillips suggested that guilt over transatlantic slavery was behind Mr Obama’s support from middle class whites.I fail to see how an Obama victory makes matters worse. Mr Phillips compared Mr Obama to Bill Cosby and Oprah Winfrey, prominent black “bargainers” – those who strike a deal with white America not to make an issue of historical racism if their own race is not used against them. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3451323.ece |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by JustGood(m): 2:23pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
I dont really like Trevor Phillips. He is a man afrain to cross Government lines because he is a Goverment appointee and a member of the labour party who toes party lines at every turn. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by 4Play(m): 2:27pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
@JustGood The message not the messenger,please. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by JeSoul(f): 3:47pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
Lol. . . this is a man who's had front row seats to "the way things are". I could not agree more with this quote Mr Phillips suggested that guilt over transatlantic slavery was behind Mr Obama’s support from middle class whites. I think it's a lot true and that's how Mass Gov got elected, white guilt. But it might work out in our favor if Obama turns out to be a good president. He added: "If he fulfils the hopes of whites, he must disappoint blacks – and vice versa." That's true. Primarily becos both races/cultures have different expectations in a leader and Obama is bound to fail one grp. You cannot serve two masters who both want very different things. I think him comparing Obama to Oprah and Cosby is spot on. I'll add Tiger Woods to that list. I've seen that black people support other black people that identify primarily with them, and these figures do not identify themselves primarily as black people. and I actually applaud them for that. If we're going to get past racism thats the way to go, 1st stop identifying people primarily based on race. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by McKren(m): 5:23pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
I think Trevor Philips and Tavis Smileys reason alike. These are people who made a living out of the hopelessness and misfortune of black people. So anything that seems to suggest that racism might soon be eradicated does not favour them. Reason being they thrive when people grief about racism. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by BigB11(m): 6:30pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
First, McKren: You're absolutely on point! There are 2 types of black folks: 1. We have the passive ones that give white folks opportunity to judge them equally as white. This type of black are mostly successful in general. They do not react to racism only if there is a clear reason. White folks are also very comfortable around this type of black folks, while some black folks see them as uncle Thomas. Examples: Oprah, Bill Cosby, Morgan Freedman, Bob Johnson, OJ, Obama, Big B1 etc. 2. We also have the challengers that automatically think all white folks are racist. They challenge white folks to first prove themselves as not being racist before accepting them. This group of black folks tend to struggle through out their lives. They are very strong and generally identified as fighters. They mostly make white folks to feel very white and uncomfortable. They also judge passive black folks as sell-out. Some of them get very sick when things are coming together positively between white and black societies; and pretty much prefer things to be divided into 2 (white and black). It is also OK to call this group DRAMA KINGS Examples: Al sharpton, Farrakhan, Tavis Smileys, Spike Lee, Jessie Jackson, Mamajama etc. Furthermore, both groups are cool; infact, it is very important and healthy to have both groups around at the same time. It balances the equation and keeps things going in United States (it keeps whiteman on his toes) Finally, there is absolutely nothing better than witnessing Obama as the next president of United States. This accomplishment would drastically change things for better for black all around the world. Something terrible is wrong with you as a blackman if you can't see this (Obama as USA president) as a great accomplishment in Black world. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by Kobojunkie: 6:45pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
4 Play: |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by bawomolo(m): 6:47pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
Something terrible is wrong with you as a blackman if you can't see this (Obama as USA president) as a great accomplishment in Black world. what happens if obama makes a bad president, are u honestly putting your livelihood in the hands of a man just because of his race. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by Kobojunkie: 6:47pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
bawomolo: ECHO!!!! |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by BigB11(m): 8:32pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
what happens if obama makes a bad president, are u honestly putting your livelihood in the hands of a man just because of his race. Obama is not going to be a bad president. Thinking negatively and speculating a failure of a blackman is a pure slave mentality (and this is the type of thinking that is systematically designed for us). There is nothing that is promised in life; hence, we must learn how to take chances, think positively and always hope for the best. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by RichyBlacK(m): 8:52pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
bawomolo: The !%$&*#@%^&$ currently in the White House has redefined whatever definition you may have for "bad". Obama, no matter how hard he tries, will not be a "bad" president. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by RichyBlacK(m): 9:04pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
Big B1: @Big B1, What do you mean by the statement in bold? Are you trying to surreptitiously convey the idea that those in group 1 are generally more wealthy than those in group 2 - black folks just struggling to make ends meet? Are you tacitly implying that the "ass kissers" are more upwardly mobile due to their skill in kissing the white man's ass? Are you in essence alluding to view that those who make the white man uncomfortable are sentenced to a life of perpetual "struggle"? Please make your point clearer! Note that I like your classification, however, I really want to know what you mean by "struggle". |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by bawomolo(m): 9:13pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
Thinking negatively and speculating a failure of a blackman is a pure slave mentality (and this is the type of thinking that is systematically designed for us). it was an hypothetical question for mugu's like u. what obama do u love?? here is an example of why obama isn't exactly that big of a genius. here is an economic plan of his. No, we're not talking about Barack Obama's opposition to the post-9/11 antiterror law. We're referring to the Senator's support for something called the Patriot Employer Act, which deserves more attention as an indicator of his economic agenda. Along with Democratic co-sponsors Sherrod Brown and Dick Durbin, Mr. Obama introduced the bill in the Senate in August 2007. Recently in Janesville, Wis., he repeated his intention to make it a priority as President: "We will end the tax breaks for companies who ship our jobs overseas, and we will give those breaks to companies who create good jobs with decent wages right here in America." [Barack Obama] Mr. Obama's proposal would designate certain companies as "patriot employers" and favor them over other, presumably not so patriotic, businesses. The legislation takes four pages to define "patriotic" companies as those that: "pay at least 60 percent of each employee's health care premiums"; have a position of "neutrality in employee [union] organizing drives"; "maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in the United States relative to the number of full-time workers outside of the United States"; pay a salary to each employee "not less than an amount equal to the federal poverty level"; and provide a pension plan. In other words, a patriotic employer is one which fulfills the fondest Big Labor agenda, regardless of the competitive implications. The proposal ignores the marketplace reality that businesses hire a work force they can afford to pay and still make money. Coercing companies into raising wages and benefits above market rates may only lead to fewer workers getting hired in the first place. Under Mr. Obama's plan, "patriot employers" qualify for a 1% tax credit on their profits. To finance this tax break, American companies with subsidiaries abroad would have to pay the US. corporate tax on profits earned abroad, rather than the corporate tax of the host country where they are earned. Since the US. corporate tax rate is 35%, while most of the world has a lower rate, this amounts to a big tax increase on earnings owned abroad. Put another way, US. companies would suddenly have to pay a higher tax rate than their Chinese, Japanese and European competitors. According to research by Peter Merrill, an international tax expert at PriceWaterhouseCoopers, this change would "raise the cost of capital of US. multinationals and cause them to lose market share to foreign rivals." Apparently Mr. Obama believes that by making US. companies less profitable and less competitive world-wide, they will somehow be able to create more jobs in America. He has it backwards: The offshore activities of US. companies tend to increase rather than reduce domestic business. A 2005 National Bureau of Economic Research study by economists from Harvard and the University of Michigan found that more foreign investment by US. companies leads to greater domestic investment, and that US. firms' hiring of more offshore workers is positively, not negatively, associated with the number of American workers they hire. That's in part because often what is produced overseas by subsidiaries are component parts to final, higher-value-added products manufactured here. Mr. Obama is also proposing to raise tax rates on affluent individuals, as well as on capital gains and dividends. This would also lead to more capital and jobs leaving the US. The after-tax return on US. investment would fall appreciably if these tax hikes were adopted, and no amount of tax-credit subsidy will keep capital from fleeing to lower tax jurisdictions. If the US. didn't impose the second highest corporate income tax rate in the world, companies would have less incentive to move jobs overseas. Rather than giving politically correct companies a 1% tax credit, it makes more sense to reduce the US. corporate tax rate for everyone -- by at least 10 percentage points to the global average. Economists have long understood that companies don't really pay taxes; they merely collect them. A study by the American Enterprise Institute has shown that US. workers bear the cost of the corporate income tax in lower wages and salaries. To borrow Mr. Obama's language, what's really unpatriotic is the 35% US. corporate tax rate. [/b] it's not slave mentality but just being objective. don't be swept by the obama change "rhetoric" and actually look at his rhetoric. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by bawomolo(m): 9:15pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
there are HS students that are smarter than george bush, but that doesn't mean i want an HS student to be president. george bush shouldn't be a yardstick for judging statesmen. have u looked at obama's voting record in congress for once. the man claims to be against the war but has supported war funding by voting yes. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by RichyBlacK(m): 9:32pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
bawomolo: Because he did not right-wing goons to accuse him of "not giving the troops what they need". George Bush is using those sentiments to fund a war designed to enrich his friends in the oil and defense industry. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by bawomolo(m): 9:34pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
Because he did not right-wing goons to accuse him of "not giving the troops what they need". George Bush is using those sentiments to fund a war designed to enrich his friends in the oil and defense industry. stop spreading lies, obama voted yes for the iraqi funding bill. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by presido1: 9:51pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
bawomolo:If he had voted no for the funding it will be used against him now. RichyBlacK:Word bawomolo:I don't think all the past American presidents were good at least Obama can perform more better than the current Bush Why don't you ask what happens if obama makes a Good president Why being pessimistic. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by Dreloaded(f): 9:57pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
I hardly consider Cosby to be a "white ass kisser" esp since his son was killed by one Just because he yells at the black community doesnt mean he's a slave to white people. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by BigB11(m): 10:52pm On Feb 28, 2008 |
@Big B1, @RichyBlack: Simple: Let's take spike Lee (actor) and Morgan Freeman (actor) for example. The repercussion of Spike Lee having disagreement with a security agent at the JFK airport is different from the repercussion of Morgan Freeman doing the same. Why: There is a premeditated judgement that is automatically and mentally designed for the challengers (Spike Lee), while the passive group (Morgan Freeman) is treated differently by getting benefit of doubt in most cases. FYI: you could be wealthy, but still struggle mentally and sometimes physically for many years; therefore, wealth has nothing to do with this issue. This is also why Kobe (passive black) is treated differently from Allan Iverson, (a challenger). Money is good, but not everything in my book! |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by Ibime(m): 2:24am On Feb 29, 2008 |
Don't mind Trevor Phillips - everybody in the UK knows this guy is a buffoon. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by bawomolo(m): 5:09pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
If he had voted no for the funding it will be used against him now. in other words, obama is more concerned about his political future than sticking to his message?? all rhetoric as i guessed. u can't be all anti-war then vote for a war funding bill. hypocrite. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by bawomolo(m): 5:11pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
This is also why Kobe (passive black) is treated differently from Allan Iverson, (a challenger) how does allen iverson challenge the system?? by having 1000 tattoos and chasing his wife/girlfriend out of the apartment naked?? yeah allen iverson is a role model for the kids. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by Kobojunkie: 5:18pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
Big B1: I happen to agree with Big B1 in this case. Money has almost nothing to do with this. Big B1: These types exist within all possible classes. There are poor blacks who fit in either in the number of the other. I don't think it has to do with their bank account at all. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by McKren(m): 5:23pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
Quote I dont think any of those was why he voted no. He voted no because he believe's that when Soldiers are already on harms way, they should be given support. Being against a war and calling for withdrawal is one thing, while refusing to vote that those who are already in the battle field be given fund is another. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by bawomolo(m): 5:24pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
Being against a war and calling for withdrawal is one thing, while refusing to vote that those who are already in the battle field be given fund is another. if he is against the war, shouldn't he be calling for an immediate withdrawal like ron paul?? obama isn't serious about withdrawing the troops. there are more things about his economic policies i dislike. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by Kobojunkie: 5:42pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
How do you know he is not going to be a bad president?? What is to say a black man will succeed as president for the mere reason that he is black? I believe Bawomolo's question is actually a good one but your answer does not address the question posed at all. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by presido1: 5:47pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
Kobojunkie:Ok how do u know clinton or Mccain will make a good president? your question is irrelevant if not answer mine and from your answer you have answered the case for obama. |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by BigB11(m): 6:28pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
Let me speak for myself: I will vote for Obama just because he represents an intelligent sincere blackman who profoundly understands the root of leadership. It is clearly obvious that Americans can easily relate to this man without any hesitation. Infact, it was confirmed not to long ago that Sen Obama and his wife just recently completed their student loans payments; that right there is an indication of real life. He understands reality of life and directly in-touch with average Americans in general. Just last night, president Bush revealed to the world publicly that he did not know that the gas price in United States is this high; What a big joke! Enough of these toy leaders; America needs a true focused leader that is capable of staying intouch with them at all time. FYI: McCain is not that far from Bush; it is clear to all that McCain has absolutely nothing to offer America. He is part of the wrecked train that is currently transporting Bush. Hence, do not let us waste time talking about this him. Hillary, on the other hand has personal issues; she needs professional help. A short tempered personality is not a great sign of leadership. The woman has multiple personalities which has already sent wrong messages to many. She represents desperation, dishonesty, prima-donna, shadiness and many other mental illness. At the moment, Obama is the only promising candidate available; and DC knows it too. The only obstacle Obama as a presidential candidate, has at this point will be lost black folks who have been brainwashed by white societies. Don't be a fool, Obama as the next USA president will benefit multiple generation of black people all around the world. There are many black kids out there already speculating on being the USA president one of these days; this kind of statement used to be a dream back in those days. It will be stupid for anyone of us not to be willing to make this dream a reality by coming together to support Obama. The question we should all be asking is: how can we (black people) help Obama to become the next president or how can we (black people) help Obama to become the greatest president ever! Wake up, guys! |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by bawomolo(m): 6:54pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
The question we should all be asking is: how can we (black people) help Obama to become the next president or how can we (black people) help Obama to become the greatest president ever! so are u a member of obama's campaign or an advisor of his? remember obama is campaign to be the president of the UNITED STATES and not black america. can u pls state the policies of obama that u think would make him a good president?? |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by Kobojunkie: 6:57pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
Now I see and this be the reason why I stay away from such debates, this seems to be more about Race and nothing more to some.!! Oh well !!!! |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by doyin13(m): 7:22pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
It is so obvious that there would be more to Obama's success than the usual if he were to suceed. Brother is black or non-white rather and we have to get used to it. As long as he doesn't run the ship aground then he will have done fine as President. I have become weary of the yardsticks by which people measure the performance of Presidents, They say Clinton was a good President. . . . .but on what basis. Getting his phallus sucked at his place of work Or should we judge Bush on his economic success(which has unravelled the past few months anyway) or the consequences of a disastrous war. Fact is being a success as Leader depends as much on luck as it does on talent. @Jesoul I do not necessarily agree that the interests of blacks and whites are mutually exclusive. There is a growing black middle class of which you are a member and I am sure your interests are fairly similar to those of a fellow white middle class worker like yourself. The interests blacks have in Obama are non-economic and there will be satisfied simply by him succeeding in the elections. They call Bill Clinton the first black President. . . .but I am yet to see any evidence that he affected the lot of blacks in any direct manner. He could talk black, I think, something I am sure Obama will do even more successfuly. @Trevor Phillips I think it is a bit quixotic to imagine some future post racial future where racial lines are blurred or largely erased Racial lines will always be present as long as we have different colours. Some conflicts are simply irresolvable. The best we can do is manage our differences and make the best out of what is prolly an eternal, most times peaceful, sometimes violent situation. Conflict management will be aided by compromises and if that includes electing a black President then its all good. So for him to now say the election wlll hinder our progress towards such a nirvana is in my own opinion self defeating |
Re: Obama Victory Will Prolong US Racial Divide by AtamMan(m): 8:15pm On Feb 29, 2008 |
@ 4play and others, In the first place I came to the first post only because I wasn't sure of the Phillips in question. Trevor Phillips (spelling) is a cow and works for racial disharmony instead of racial harmony. I have never warmed to his way of looking at race-related issues, he has done more harm to race relations than BO could ever contemplate. On the question of how BO would perform in office, I think it is too early to begin to judge a presidency that has yet to kick-off. On my part, I'd go with the guys who believe and hope BO would perform and deliver ultimately. |
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