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Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by Chongaiman: 4:07pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
nagoma: Dama zomo baya fushi da makashinsa sai da maratayinsa. nagoma: Hitler was a good Christian- according to the pope of his time. And the (mostly christian) Allies thought otherwise (and followed it up with action); So much for the infallibility of the pope. |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by kenzspunpy(m): 4:08pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
nagoma: @ Nagoma, I hardly talk about what I know nothing about. I hope these definitions will school you a little and compel you to answer my question The Oxford Advanced Dictionary defined Terrorism as " the use of violence for political aims or to force a government to act, especially because of the fear it causes among the people. Beyond this shallow definition and going into more advanced definition, acceptable in security circles all over the world, Terrorism represents; a) a special form of clandestine undeclared and unconventional warfare waged by a group of dissidents who share a common belief within a society, without any humanitarian restraints or rules b) the use of violence either singularly or in groups, military and non-military, directed against government or individuals to cause or force a political change and ideology by one state against another or by a group of individual against the state. Please note the key words. Can I have your answers now? 1 Like |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 4:09pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
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Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 4:11pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
nagoma: Hitler was a good Christian- according to the pope of his time.Really? ***tomakint grabs his praying mat and start reciting; LIE! LIE! E-LIE! LIE!*** ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by REVOLUTNIS: 4:16pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
kenzspunpy: That is not the true definition of terrorism: here u go, TERRORISM IS ISLAM, ISLAM IS TERRORISM! 3 Likes |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 4:24pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
REVOLUTNIS: GBAMMMMMMM!!! Ogbuefi, na you biko!!! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 4:29pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
For the records; According to tradition, Muhammad was born in Mecca on April 20 or 26, 570 A.D. Shi'ites say he was born on April 26th. His full name was Muhammad Bin-Abdullah. At the time Muhammad was born Muhammad's father was the chief of the pagan worshipping tribe of Koreish. Muhammad's father was ‘Abd Allāh ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib, of the family of Hashim (Shaiba ibn Hashim). ‘Abd Allāh" means "slave of Allah". His father died soon after his son's birth--while he was out on a trading expedition. His father was the youngest son of Abdul Muttalib and the great-grandson of Kussai. Muhammad was orphaned early in his life after his mother Amina died and was raised by his grandfather Abdul Muttalib, then chief of the Quraysh (Koreish) tribe, and his uncle Abu-Talib beginning at age 6. Earlier, at about 5 years old while in the care of a Bedouin nurse named Halima Muhammad became subject to epileptic fits. The branch of the Quraysh tribe Muhammad belonged to was known as the Beni Hashem. Let it be known that; Muhammad's first biographer was Muhammad Ibn Ishag (704-773 A.D.) who wrote "Sirat Rasul Allah", a work which has not survived. No finished biography of Muhammad appeared until 150 years after his death in Arabia (another proof of the level of deception, barbarism and inconsistencies in the demonic book called, KORAN or QUR’AN). |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by SisiKill1: 4:34pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
Jeedus! Hitler has entered this matter??!! Okay naa! |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by miiraaj: 4:49pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
samkoro: Differences Between Muhammad and Jesus http://archive.org/download/TheArrivalsRevised/TheArrivalsPt.36theStoryOfJesus_512kb.mp4 Please watch d video above and tell me the jesus you are referring to. |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 4:52pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
For the Records II; Comparing the lives of the two PROGENITORS of CHRISTIANITY and ISLAM: • Our Lord Jesus Christ birth (Isaiah 7:14) has been foretold centuries before he was ever born, there is no such with Muhammad • Our Lord Jesus Christ death was also foretold centuries before he died (Isaiah 53:5-9, Psalm 16:10), and even by himself (Matthew 16: 21, Luke 18: 33) there is nothing like that with Muhammad • Our Lord Jesus Christ resurrection was predicted by him before it took place (Matthew 16: 21, Luke 18: 33) and it eventually came to pass, non was said of Muhammad, who died of high fever (or on other account that he was poisoned) on 8th June, 632 AD and never rose from the dead • Our Lord Jesus Christ knew where he was going after his resurrection (John 14: 1-4), Muhammad never knew where he was going after his death • Our Lord Jesus Christ came to the world as the true Savior of the world, he had no wife neither was he materialistic, Muhammad had 12 wives and several sexual relations with slaves and concubines, was also a trade merchant heavily into buying and selling • Our Lord Jesus Christ when he was about to depart this sinful world made series of prophecies (Matthew 24:1-51,Mark 13: 1-37, Luke 21: 5-27) concerning what will happen in the future, many have come to pass and are still coming to pass, Muhammad made no prophecy but a rule book (blindly called, holy book – Qur’an). A Prophet must make prophecies! • Our Lord Jesus Christ performed many miracles during his short time on earth, even to the level of delivering and setting as many souls that were held in bondage by the power of darkness and Satan, and even now at the mention of his name, JESUS; demons, sicknesses, infirmities are overcome, Muhammad did no miracles (Surah 17:90-95; 3:183, also see: 29:50-51) and even his name cannot perform any miracle • Our Lord Jesus Christ was sinless (2 Corinthians 5: 21), (Surah 3: 46), but Muhammad committed sin and needed forgiveness (Surah 40: 55, 48: 1-2) • Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross, rose up the third day and ascended up bodily into heaven, Muhammad died of high fever (another account says he was poisoned) on the lap of Aisha ( a girl betrothed to him at age 9) and was buried • Our Lord Jesus Christ was born of a virgin (Matthew 1: 18-25). Muhammad was born of a normal woman (Ibn Hisham pp 68-69) • Our Lord Jesus Christ served God as a child (Luke 2: 39-52). Muhammad was an idolater (Sahih Bukhari vol. 6 page 452) • Our Lord Jesus Christ read the Bible (Luke 4: 16-21).Muhammad was an illiterate (Qur’an 7: 156) • Our Lord Jesus Christ preached the gospel of God’s command and lived on the donations of others (Luke 10: 1-9). Muhammad without being commanded by God, began to loot from others and live on their goods (Ibn Hisham pp. 281) • Our Lord Jesus Christ healed withered hands (Matthew 12: 10-13). Muhammad cut off the hands of others (Sahih Bukhari Vol. 8. p 520) • Our Lord Jesus Christ raised the dead (John 11: 1-45). Muhammad had the living killed (Ibn Hisham p. 308) • Our Lord Jesus Christ forgave his opponents (Luke 23: 34). Muhammad had his opponents murdered (Surah 47: 4) • Our Lord Jesus Christ set the condemned free (John 8: 1-11). Muhammad condemned the free and led them into slavery. • Our Lord Jesus Christ preached in God’s chosen temple (Luke 20:1). Muhammad prayed at the Ka’ba when it still contained hundreds of idols (Salih Bukhari vol.1 p 151) • Our Lord Jesus Christ is God’s Word and God in human flesh (John 1: 1, Philippians 2: 6, 7). Muhammad was only a warner (Qur’an 29:49) • Our Lord Jesus Christ cared for His enemies (Matthew 5:43-44). Jesus promised to save those who believe and trust in Him. Muhammad killed his enemies and anyone who disagreed with him (Surah 9:5) • Our Lord Jesus Christ held a high view of marriage and hated divorce - as God the Father does (Matthew 19:7-8 ). Muhammad commanded his adopted son to divorce his wife so that she would become his (Surah 33:36-38) • Our Lord Jesus Christ gave his disciples authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness (Matthew 10:1; Mark 6:12-13). Muhammad gave his followers the authority to wage war on unbelievers. Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to unbelievers. (Surah 48:29) • Our Lord Jesus Christ told his disciples not to ask for money, and not to carry money with them. (Matthew 10:8-9, Luke 10:7). Muhammad instructed his followers on how to divide booty they seized from unbelievers. He insisted on 20% for himself. • Our Lord Jesus Christ said to his followers that if anyone will not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. (Matthew 10:14-15, 23). Muhammad ordered Muslims to attack any city that rejected Islam. • Our Lord Jesus Christ told his followers to get ready, because unbelievers would flog them, arrest them, and put them on trial (Matthew 10:16-19). Muhammad told his followers to fight (militarily) hard against unbelievers. “Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush...” Surah 9:5. Also see Surah 9:29. • Our Lord Jesus Christ washed his disciples' feet. He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. John 13:4-5, 12-17. One day after battle, Muhammad came back home and said to his daughter Fatima, "Wash the blood from this sword and I swear in the name of Allah this sword was obeying me all the time." Muhammad then took the swords of his friend Ali ibn Abu Talib and washed them for him. • Our Lord Jesus Christ never took up a sword or encouraged anyone else to do so. Once a close disciple, Peter took it upon himself to take up a sword. Jesus soundly reprimanded him. Jesus warned; “all who take the sword will perish by the sword” (Matthew 26:52). According to Muslim scholar Pickthal, "the number of campaigns (military) he (Muhammad) led in person during the last ten years of his life is twenty-seven, in nine of which there was hard fighting. The number of expeditions which he planned and sent out under other leaders is thirty-eight" • Our Lord Jesus Christ said: "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? (Matthew 5:44-46). Surah 9:29: PICKTHAL: "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christians & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." • Our Lord Jesus Christ last message to his followers about himself and his mission: “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem”. Luke 24:46-47. Muhammad's last speech to his followers on Mt Arafat: ....."I descended by Allah with the sword in my hand, and my wealth will come from the shadow of my sword. And the one who will disagree with me will be humiliated and persecuted." NOTE: The God (Yahweh, Hebrew God of creation, the I am that I am) of Jesus Christ sent His Son (Jesus Christ) to die for the sins of all mankind. The god of Muhammad demands that you send your son to die for him. Jesus teaches; “hate the sins, and love the sinners”. Muhammad teaches; “hate the sins, and kill the sinners (infidels)”.Christians hope produce life-givers, not life-takers. Some forms of radical Islam may entice martyr-murderers with similar dreams, but Christians hope is the power to love, not kill! 4 Likes |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by miiraaj: 4:52pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
tomakint: For the records; According to tradition, Muhammad was born in Mecca on April 20 or 26, 570 A.D. Shi'ites say he was born on April 26th. His full name was Muhammad Bin-Abdullah. At the time Muhammad was born Muhammad's father was the chief of the pagan worshipping tribe of Koreish. Muhammad's father was ‘Abd Allāh ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib, of the family of Hashim (Shaiba ibn Hashim). ‘Abd Allāh" means "slave of Allah". His father died soon after his son's birth--while he was out on a trading expedition. His father was the youngest son of Abdul Muttalib and the great-grandson of Kussai. Muhammad was orphaned early in his life after his mother Amina died and was raised by his grandfather Abdul Muttalib, then chief of the Quraysh (Koreish) tribe, and his uncle Abu-Talib beginning at age 6. Earlier, at about 5 years old while in the care of a Bedouin nurse named Halima Muhammad became subject to epileptic fits. The branch of the Quraysh tribe Muhammad belonged to was known as the Beni Hashem. Let it be known that; Muhammad's first biographer was Muhammad Ibn Ishag (704-773 A.D.) who wrote "Sirat Rasul Allah", a work which has not survived. No finished biography of Muhammad appeared until 150 years after his death in Arabia (another proof of the level of deception, barbarism and inconsistencies in the demonic book called, KORAN or QUR’AN). Open the link below and see the ULTIMATE DECEPTION http://archive.org/download/TheArrivalsRevised/TheArrivalsPt.36theStoryOfJesus_512kb.mp4 |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 4:57pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
miiraaj:Who are you? The 'Ultimate Warrior'? ![]() |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by Localtrouble: 4:57pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
anataala: yes the difference is there in terms of bribe taken nd pass u people exams, yes bankers the like of Cecilia and co that have rob Nigerian in day light, believe me i rather die as almajiri nd begger than to be an arm robber which 90% are xristina, shame on you, but Dr or what ever you called your self always compare apple to apple, banana to banana before making such baseless comments.Opke..when the cut off points from junior Secondary into Senior Secondary is 0 in your region, yet you Almajaris won't go to school. The only thing that takes them (35yr olds)to school is the free lunch by 12, after that..Ina son je gida mallama! Toh, ki je gida mana. Don't even kid yourself, you lot are the greatest crooks ever, ask Modibo and his pilfering wife what they did with UBEs money? Its because you guys hide under the shadow of your God fathers who are grand-crooks and have given you the go ahead to keep stealing without being punished? As for the topic..its no News those 2 were killed, suspected it the minute the news broke! |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by drexx(m): 5:01pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
To all those intellectually shallow muslims criticizing christianity. Let me enlighten you on Islam cos I can see your level of ignorance is quite high. Islam rises and falls on Muhammad. He is the religion's sole prophet, Islam's solitary example, Allah's lone conduit. Without Muhammad, Allah, the Qur'an, and Islam would be unknown. Yet the picture the Islamic scriptures paint of this man is not flattering; his words aren't believable. According to the Qur'an and Hadith, Muhammad was a thief, rapist, and terrorist. It's hardly the example you'd want your neighbor to emulate. Muhammad, Allah, Mecca, and the formation of Islam are completely unknown to secular history. All we know of them is derived from the Qur'an and Hadith. The earliest and most important collection of Hadith is called the Sira, or Biography. Compiled by Ibn Ishaq, the Sira provides the only written account of this man,: his god, place and religion within two centuries of his death. There is no other valid source from which Muhammad can be seen, or Islam can be interpreted. Using Islam's most holy books I was able to reorder the Qur'an chronologically and set it into the context of Muhammad's life. The result is bone chilling. The depiction of the prophet by the most revered Muslim sources reveals behavior that is immoral, criminal, and violent. The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don't portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They confirm that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur'an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur'an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad's life, we find that Allah mirrored his prophet's character. Muhammad's god condoned immoral and criminal behavior. Allah boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures. If you are a Muslim reading these words you should be horrified and appalled, but not at me - instead at Muhammad and the clerics after him who have purposely deceived you. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable. Prophet of Doom, relying exclusively on the Islamic Qur'an and Hadith, proves Muhammad was a con man, Allah doesn't exist, and Islam is a fraud. If you care about your soul and that of your children, you will take advantage of the evidence and render a rational verdict. If not, you are now without excuse 2 Likes |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 5:07pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
For the Records III; I always feel like sympathizing with my good Muslim faithfuls, they seem to be in a “closed society” they can’t renounce the bondage they find themselves in easily! I pray it won’t take long before they realize the danger they are in before they choose the right path – JESUS CHRIST. For goodness sake, they should understand that before Islam was, there have been Judaism and Christianity, so what are they trying to propagate? Write another Torah or Bible? Islam is full of many lies, its teachings rejects the salvation of JESUS CHRIST to the world, it even went to the extent of blasphemous ranting that our LORD JESUS CHRIST never died on the CROSS! (Surah 4: 157). Even Satan, fallen angels, demons know this and believe that CHRIST died on the CROSS, and we are talking about a dejected religion here messing with the immortal souls of a billion individuals, that’s pathetic. It is a pity that of all the so-called Holy Books in the world, Satan has taken the pain to ensure that Muhammad and his Qur'an defiantly stand in diametrical opposition to Jesus, the Son of God, the true Prince of Peace - and His New Testament. Like Satan's slavery, Islam maintains a choke hold on its followers. In my candid opinion, this sorrowful situation most Muslims are born into should arouse compassion and not scorn, from the followers of Christ. To be saved indeed, you must be a follower of JESUS CHRIST – CHRISTIAN (John 14:6; Acts 4:10-12)! Before Christ left this world, he (Jesus) never said a true prophet would appear in the last days. Rather, He said false prophets would arise who would deceive, if possible, the very elect (Matthew 24: 11, 24). Jesus also predicted the current dilemma of Muslim intolerance and fanaticism. He warned that the day was likewise coming when religious zealots will kill Christians and think they are offering a service to God (John 16:2-4). ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by anataala: 5:18pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
nagoma: Hitler was a good Christian- according to the pope of his time.
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Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by anataala: 5:27pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
tomakint: For the Records III; Christian scholar claims Jesus didn't die on the cross And then urges us all not to get "emotional" about the "evidence" Jesus did not die on cross, says scholar "Jesus may not have died nailed to the cross because there is no evidence that the Romans crucified prisoners two thousand years ago, a scholar has claimed. The legend of his execution is based on the traditions of the Christian church and artistic illustrations rather than antique texts, according to theologian Gunnar Samuelsson. He claims the Bible has been misinterpreted as there are no explicit references the use of nails or to crucifixion - only that Jesus bore a "staurus" towards Calvary which is not necessarily a cross but can also mean a "pole". Mr Samuelsson, a committed Christian himself, admitted his claims are so close to the heart of his faith that it is easy to react emotionally instead of logically." Wel, the bible says "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced." (Zechariah 12:10). Psalm 22:16 describes it "For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. " And Isaiah 53:5 describes it again: "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed." John 19:6 refers to the angry mob outside Pilate's house "As soon as the chief priests and their officials saw him, they shouted, "Crucify! Crucify!" But Pilate answered, "You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him." Mark 15:20 ... Then they led him out to crucify him. .... ... And they led him out to crucify him. ...Luke 23:33 "And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left." The method of execution defined as "Crucifixion is an ancient method of painful execution in which the condemned person is tied or nailed to a large wooden cross (of various shapes) and left to hang until dead. The term comes from the Latin crucifixio ("fixed to a cross", from the prefix cruci-, "cross", + verb figere, "fix or bind fast".) Crucifixion was in use particularly among the Persians, Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD." Wikipedia Why man needs to search outside of the bible for "proof" when all the proof one needs as to its own veracity is beyond me. Why a 'scholar' who claims Christ would deny His manner of death though it is clear in the bible is beyond me to understand. Except, that the bible proves itself again, where Luke said "Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved." That scholar is "always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;" (2 Tim 3:7- ![]() More Sharing ServicesShare http://the-end-time..com/2010/06/christian-scholar-claims-jesus-didnt.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7849852/Jesus-did-not-die-on-cross-says-scholar.html Islam’s proof that Jesus did not die on the Cross Most religions that are non-Christian do accept the fact that if the Bible writes that Christ died on the cross, he actually did. There are a few with very apparent reasons that want to change this. Bahai’s spiritualize the meaning and in so doing change the facts. Islam denies the account so absolutely that they just chalk the whole story up to corruption and reinvent it. Ignoring the fact that these accounts are written by eyewitnesses of not only his death, but many more of his resurrection. Some of who would be classified as hostile witnesses. Muslim Claim – They took another in his place. Everyone knew this was Jesus he was on trial in front of the Jews when they cried out to crucify him! He was then taken to be given 39 lashes (40 –1 as mercy). When the centurion in charge determined that the prisoner is near death, the beating is finally stopped, then they are taken to crucifixion. Most did not survive the whipping. Jesus if alive, would never have allowed another to take his place when it was his mission to take ours. Only he could die in the place of sinful man. What the Muslims are saying is that this is a sham, he purposely deceived the Romans, his brethren, as well as us today. Hardly a tenable position to hold for a man called upright and sinless even in the Koran. Muslim Claim- They broke the legs of the other two who were crucified with him, but did not do so to Jesus, because he looked as if he was dead, so instead of going through all the trouble he pierced him with a spear, and blood gushed out showing a sign of life. Any doctor will tell you this is not sign of life. Jn.19:33-34 tells us he was thrusted by a sword after he was pronounced dead by the Roman guard who was trained in crucifixion's. If one is to be punished by this means it was unto the death, the Romans were experts at crucifixion's. It states in John 19:35"And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe." Blood and water came out from his side after. This is proven medically that he had a ruptured heart. When watery fluid from the sac surrounding the heart and blood from the interior of the heart is ruptured, fluid in the pericardium shows death, not life. Romans don’t bury live people, but dead ones. He was to them a criminal and needed to be punished by Roman law, to neglect this is disobedience to their laws and the centurion would be punished. Muslim Claim- the sign of Jonas: Matthew 12:38-30 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth. It is not that he entered the whale's belly dead and came out of it alive; his sign was that he entered the whale's belly alive, remained there alive, and came out of there alive. This may be the Sunday school story but not the Bibles. Jonah was very dead and resurrected. This is the point Jesus is making. Jonah 2:2 "out of the belly of Sheol" is not the whales belly because this is after 3 days. The Hebrew word for belly is different than the belly of the fish indicating two different areas. This is the place of departed spirits the only way to get there is to die. The focus of the story is not existing 3 days alive in a fish but someone coming back from the dead. This is the very point Jesus is making, he raised others and he will raise himself. This he says will be the last sign to an unbelieving Israel the sign of Jonah. Muslim Claim -There proof from the scripture. Heb.5:7-9 who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear,8 though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.9And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him," To a Muslim this is proof that he did not die, because he was saved from death. But it does not mean the death of the cross, because the very same book declares Heb.2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone." Notice they use the parts of the scripture to try to prove the Christian (and bible) is wrong, but ignore the whole of Scripture and the testimony of the WHOLE New Testament Jn.12:27. The fact is that he did die, so when would this have occurred? It points to the fact of Ps.22:19-22 and Isa.53:5 "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed." 6 "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all."7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth." The lamb slain, the Passover lamb. |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by FoxyRebirth(m): 5:33pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
I wanted to unfollow but this is getting more interesting 1 Like |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by anataala: 5:34pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
Chongaiman:Question: If Jesus' sole mission to mankind was to die on the cross, free them from the original sin, and provide salvation for them, then why did he never in his lifetime mention it to his followers? Why did he not spend night and day drumming these new concepts into their minds? Why did he himself observe the commandments of Moses so completely and so faithfully even up till his alleged death? In Matthew 19:16-21 when Jesus was asked for the path to heaven, why did he emphasize the keeping of the commandments of Moses but never mention the crucifixion nor the redemption or having "faith" in them? Why, when he was pressed for more, did he still not mention either a crucifixion nor a redemption but only claim that anyone who kept the commandments of Moses and sold his belongings would be "perfect"? Why did he not say "have faith in my crucifixion and forsake the commandments and you shall be 'perfect'"? |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 5:36pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
anataala: I can't figure out the points you are trying to drive at but what do you make out from this? Did Jesus Die or Not? Surah 3:144 is quite adamant that all messengers died before Muhammad. But then Surah 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?) and 4:157 falsely says Jesus did not die. - In Surah 4:157 we read that Jesus certainly did not die, yet in Surah 19:33 we read that not only did he die, but he arose again! 19:33 reads about Jesus: "And peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I get resurrected." 1 Like |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by anataala: 5:42pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
tomakint:he will certainly die after his 2nd coming http://www.aolnews.c...cholar/19530666 Little Evidence Jesus Died on a Cross, Says Scholar (June 27) -- The crucifix is the defining symbol of Christianity, a constant reminder to the faithful of the sacrifice and suffering endured by Jesus Christ for humanity. But an extensive study of ancient texts by a Swedish pastor and academic has revealed that Jesus may not have died on a cross, but instead been put to death on another gruesome execution device. Gunnar Samuelsson -- a theologian at the University of Gothenburg and author of a 400-page thesis on crucifixion in antiquity -- doesn't doubt that Jesus died on Calvary hill. But he argues that the New Testament is in fact far more ambiguous about the exact method of the Messiah's execution than many Christians are aware. "When the Gospels refer to the death of Jesus, they just say that he was forced to carry a "stauros" out to Calvary," he told AOL News. Many scholars have interpreted that ancient Greek noun as meaning "cross," and the verb derived from it, "anastauroun," as implying crucifixion. But during his three-and-a-half-year study of texts from around 800 BC to the end of the first century AD, Samuelsson realized the words had more than one defined meaning. Christophe Simon, AFP/Getty Images This iconic image of Christ dying on the cross may be misleading, according to theologian Gunnar Samuelsson, who says crucifixion was more rare than commonly thought. "'Stauros' is actually used to describe a lot of different poles and execution devices," he says. "So the device described in the Gospels could have been a cross, but it could also have been a spiked pole, or a tree trunk, or something entirely different." In turn, "anastauroun" was used to signify everything from the act of "raising hands to suspending a musical instrument." The manner in which Jesus died is further thrown into question by Samuelsson's discovery that crucifixion may have been an unusual form of punishment in the Roman Empire. Descriptions of crucifixions contained in the thousands of Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin and Greek manuscripts he examined most commonly referred to dead prisoners being placed on some form of suspension device, or living captives skewered on stakes. The first century Roman philosopher Seneca the Younger, for example, wrote about seeing a great many prisoners of war on "crosses" after one campaign. But the scribe then describes how a large number of the dead had been impaled. "If you search for ancient texts that specifically mention the act of crucifixion [as we understand it today]" he says, "you will end up with only two or three examples." That revelation stands in stark contrast to claims that appear in many books on the historical Jesus, as well as more general surveys of life under Roman rule, which state that prisoners were routinely nailed to crosses. (The Encylopaedia Britannica, for example, says crucifixion was an "important method of capital punishment" in Rome.) Of course, this lack of hard evidence doesn't mean that the Roman Empire was a crucifix-free zone. Samuelsson suspects that crucifixion was simply one of a great many methods of execution employed across the empire. He notes that Flavius Josephus -- a Jewish historian and adviser to three Roman emperors in the 1st century -- recorded how Roman soldiers were allowed to use their "wicked minds in various ways to execute" prisoners captured during a Jewish uprising. This suggests that the method of Jesus' execution may have been decided by legionnaires stationed at Calvary, and not by the state. "If we put this on the table, and think that the execution of Jesus was the result of the wicked mind of the soldiers at that very point, we can't know how he could have been executed," Samuelsson says. "The executions of that day could have taken a completely different form from ones the day before." The Swedish scholar isn't sure exactly why the crucifix went on to become the dominant Christian motif. But this symbol only seems to have become fixed in followers' minds long after Jesus' death, as the first T and X shaped crucifixes appear in Christian manuscripts around the 2nd century AD. Perhaps unsurprisingly, Samuelsson's thesis has caused something of an unheavenly row. While fellow theologians have complimented his highly detailed research, many critics in the blogosphere have claimed that he wants to undermine Christianity. Samuelsson -- who believes that "the man who walked this earth was the Son of God, and that he will return to judge the living and the dead" -- says this accusation is simply "stupid." "I'm really just a boring, conservative pastor and I start everyday reading the New Testament," he says. "But my suggestion is that we should read the text as it is, not as we think it is." |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 5:57pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
anataala:Go straight to your point and tell me what you believed about Our Lord Jesus Christ and stop all these rigmaroles! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 5:59pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
For the records IV; The Jewish and Christian Bibles were written by "inspired men of God" who immediately committed God's Word to writing. Islam doesn't even have either an original or inspired Qur'an. The Muslim Qur'an was made up supposedly from "memory" from those who supposedly committed the words of Muhammad to memory, and from a few scraps found under a bed. This was originally begun about 15-20 years after Muhammad died at his wife Aisha's home in Medina, and he was lowered into a hole in the ground, where he remains. The compilation was not finished until at least 150 years after Muhammad's death. This "hearsay" argument seriously brings the credibility of the Qur'an into question. |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by miiraaj: 6:00pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
tomakint:I am the one sent to show you the WAY. Please,don't allow you christians to lead you astray. Because the imaginery jesus you worship is not God and was never sent by God. Open your eyes,read about you religion,clear your minds and embrace the truth. Its never too late to accept Islam. http://archive.org/download/TheArrivalsRevised/TheArrivalsPt.36theStoryOfJesus_512kb.mp4 |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 6:04pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
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Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by miiraaj: 6:09pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
tomakint: Which Jesus? The one eyed lord? |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by miiraaj: 6:12pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
tomakint: Which jesus? The one eyed lord? http://archive.org/download/TheArrivalsRevised/TheArrivalsPt.36theStoryOfJesus_512kb.mp4 |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 6:14pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
miiraaj:There is no need engaging you in a pointless slanging match, I have tried to pass the necessary message of LIFE to you God sees my heart, as for the blasphemous word from you to the Prince of Peace, trust me you may likely encounter him tonight because he is the 'LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH' and when he visits just yield to him willingly, HEAVEN is REAL, HELL is REAL! BOTTOM LINE: ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST INTO YOUR LIFE NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE, YOUR FELLOW MUSLIMS ARE DOING THAT IN THEIR MILLIONS WHY NOT YOU? |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by anataala: 6:15pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
tomakint:IS NOT WHAT I BELIEVE BUT WHO IS HE? he is a human being like you and me that can sleep,drink, be happy/angry and a prophet of God who follow prophecies of prophet Moses and preaches the same message other prophets of God teaching, you can not be a Muslim if you don't believe him as messenger of God not only him all the prophets that God sent below is muslim believe in jesus What Do Muslims Believe about Jesus? Muslims respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him). They consider him one of the greatest of God’s messengers to mankind. The Quran confirms his virgin birth, and a chapter of the Quran is entitled ‘Maryam’ (Mary). The Quran describes the birth of Jesus as follows: (Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Quran, 3:45-47) Jesus was born miraculously by the command of God, the same command that had brought Adam into being with neither a father nor a mother. God has said: The case of Jesus with God is like the case of Adam. He created him from dust, and then He said to him, “Be!” and he came into being. (Quran, 3:59) During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. God tells us that Jesus said: “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay, I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s permission. I heal the blind from birth and the leper. And I bring the dead to life by God’s permission. And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses....” (Quran, 3:49) Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said: ...They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)... (Quran, 4:157) Neither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but rather to confirm and renew it.1 |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 6:21pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
anataala: Despite all the convincing points I gave you regarding the dissenting voices from the Quran concerning the crucifying of our Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross, plus the oneness of voices of Christians regarding the crucifixion of our Lord on the cross, you are still engaging on your urban legends, ain't no problem, you are free to believe your belief! ![]() |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by miiraaj: 6:24pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
tomakint: Dis one na simple matter nau.No need for long grammar. Watch this video and tell me which Jesus u want me to accept? http://archive.org/download/TheArrivalsRevised/TheArrivalsPt.36theStoryOfJesus_512kb.mp4 |
Re: Sheik Gumi - Yakowa And Azazi Died While Plotting Against Northern Muslims by tomakint: 6:28pm On Jan 18, 2013 |
miiraaj: It's a free world afterall your Qu'ran states it clearly that, there should be no 'compulsion in religion'!! I am only making you to see the LIGHT, if the teachings of false teachers, pagans are what catch your fancies now despite the fact that the Bible is so ubiquitous, then you are free to 'believe your belief', but I have a feeling you may encounter Jesus Christ sooner than you are expecting ![]() |
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