Please,please and please let us allow sleeping dogs lie.health care demands great attention so lets all join hands together to make it work be it paramedics,anatomists,physiologists nurses,pharmacists,Doctors e.t.c thanks ENGR ETIM.

Shuo,me no know say docs and nurses dey quanta like dis o.well maybe mostly in naija sha.Patients go hear am.Abeg,the people need both of una to survive health crisis.Oya make una shake hands make we settle.

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ojubi: @ Beautiful Onyi, your post just summerised your wrong personality, arrogance, and ignorance. You claime it takes only 3 years to be a nurse, you lied. It takes another 2 years after general nursing to specialise, that is second qualification. Then it takes another 4 years to have a degree, do the maths let see between a doc and a Nurse who spend more years studying. You also claim a child and an untrain person can practice nursing, that is the hight of ignorance.
Finally you exornorated foreign nurses from your insult. That tells me how ignorant you are, because you
should know that the west african nursing corriculum is copied directly from the united kingdom.

Yes, I know a lot of u here percieve me as arrogant. The truth is that I'm fed up with the attitude of nigerian nurses. My dear, if u want to take specialization into consideration, then note that it takes at least 5 yrs for a doctor to specialize.
I'm exornorating the foreign nurses because I've worked both in the UK and nigeria. And though we may have the same curriculum, the difference btw the nurses in the 2 countries is clear! Nigerian nurses you need to update yourselves and upgrade if you want more respect from doctors. And more importantly, change your attitudes instead of bickering and always looking for a way to blame the doctor.

There are a number of good nurses esp the old matrons who got good training, but the young nurses, I just can't stand. They can never take instructions and are rude and ignorant, is it my fault that I read my through med school and became a doctor? While, most of them at my age are under me as nurses?
It is the nurses that have inferiority complex.

I love the idea of bsc nursing in nigeria, hopely it will produce better trained, better educated, more confident nurses.

emmalexabl:
i ve summarized ur case and not only are u DEMENTED, you also have DIARRHEA of the mouth and CONSTIPATION of facts/ideas and i advice next time,try get your facts right before coming to such a reputable forum like this to showcase your IGNORANCE.
Sorry. . .I'm kind of busy right now, can i ignore you some other time ?

hey IDIOT, to sumarize ur case, i see you are the IGNORANT FOOL who doesn't know right from his left and you have DELUSION AND HALLUCINATIONS about your profession which makes you a confirm SCHIZOPHRENIC DEMENTED patient that needs imediate attention.

lord kpakpando: hey IDIOT, to sumarize ur case, i see you are the IGNORANT FOOL who doesn't know right from his left and you have DELUSION AND HALLUCINATIONS about your profession which makes you a confirm SCHIZOPHRENIC DEMENTED patient that needs imediate attention.

sweetheart.., i dont know what makes you dumb but it really works !
Keep on talking, one day you gonna say something intelligent and reasonable.
Am done with you.,Got to go back to work.

emmalexabl:
sweetheart.., i dont know what makes you dumb but it really works !
Keep on talking, one day you gonna say something intelligent and reasonable.
Am done with you.,Got to go back to work.

that sweetheart you just wrote is one of the ways lectures and dunce female students in your profession starts their sex life and by the way i see you as being on the surface, you don't know what goes on so i advice you SLOWPOKE to find out so that one day you will talk more reasonable.

I submit this as i am very passionate about life,lets all regard ourselves equally as we all have a common fate to share with a supreme being,GOD almighty.though medical doctors are trained to give the final judgement and note the Nigeria Medical Association is watching their activities,so why not just obey them for the nurses as for example if you disobey them and the patient dies then you the nurse face sanctions that does not make you nurses inferior though as there is always not going to be room for excuses the otherwise...but come to think of it Nurses are professionals in their own angle so are doctors in theirs but it is good there is a team work in everything in life am not saying doctors are superior while nurses are inferior but team work will save it all.In Engineering Family One Engineer will be accountable to Two Technologists to Four Technicians to Eight Artisans.but in Health Sector we find it difficult to accept hierarchy of which to me may be due to the fact that they are all professionals.

The aim of the OP is to bash doctors but she hid this with another caption, 'the challenges of a Nigerian nurse'. ok, mayb we will ask recipients of our services, the patients to vote who dey prefer.
btw, somebody said doctors rig themselves out of medical school. unless its not the same medical school i attended.right from scoring high in JAMB,post jamb, no chance for carry overs, passing five professional exams just in school,studying medicine, surgery, radiology, comm med,pathology,physioloy, biochem,anatomy,pharmacology( these are wat ppl take 4 years to study each but are all pressed in 6 years for a med student) so u expect to compare yourselves to doctors.
Again, there are no two ways about it, doctors are the head of the health team, so can we all stop debating on dat? NIGERIAN NURSES SHOULD SEE WAT THEY CALL NURSING ABROAD, YOUR RELATIONS DONT EVEN NEED TO STAY BY THE PATIENTS FOR HELP. NOT THE BITCHOLOGY U GUYS PRACTICE HERE.

Thank a Nurse whenever you can
You will need a Nurse one day
I am the Nurses biggest fan
And that’s all I have to say.

Welcome you all to naijanursesforum website.

Hmm DOCTORS vs NURSES LATER DOCTORS vs PHARMACISTS THEN DOCTORS vs MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENTISTS.THE HEALTH SECTOR ENJOY BATCHING ON LIKE THIS BUT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ARE ARMS OF HEALTH BUT THE NEED FOR A FINAL SAYER TO ME ARE FOR DOCTORS.SO RESPECT THEM AS I KNOW HOW SOME DOCTORS RESPECT THEIR NURSES TOO. A LAWYER WILL SAY SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE EQUAL THAN ANOTHER.BUT TO ME PRIVILEGE PEDIGREE MATTERS IN LIFE.

etim4uniuyo: Hmm DOCTORS vs NURSES LATER DOCTORS vs PHARMACISTS THEN DOCTORS vs MEDICAL LABORATORY SCIENTISTS.THE HEALTH SECTOR ENJOY BATCHING ON LIKE THIS BUT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY ARE ARMS OF HEALTH BUT THE NEED FOR A FINAL SAYER TO ME ARE FOR DOCTORS.SO RESPECT THEM AS I KNOW HOW SOME DOCTORS RESPECT THEIR NURSES TOO. A LAWYER WILL SAY SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE EQUAL THAN ANOTHER.BUT TO ME PRIVILEGE PEDIGREE MATTERS IN LIFE.

Well said my dear. Nurses are d only health workers dat feel inferior to doctors, oda depts in health eg pharmacists dnt feel dis much oo.
Suffice it to knw dat nurses are dier own enemies. The older ones beef d newer nurses cos d latter graduate with four certs unlike dem dat had to get dem for ten more years. So in my sch, d older nurses(administrative) refuse to coperate to get full accreditation for many years bfr God finally answered my friends' prayers last yr. N dats thru d students efforts o o,(borrowing materials frm oda depts, payin 10k per student,etc) no support frm dier body.
n now a nurse is tellin me docs r d cause of dier probs, ndi ori.

ngozievergreen:
Well said my dear. Nurses are d only health workers dat feel inferior to doctors, oda depts in health eg pharmacists dnt feel dis much oo.
Suffice it to knw dat nurses are dier own enemies. The older ones beef d newer nurses cos d latter graduate with four certs unlike dem dat had to get dem for ten more years. So in my sch, d older nurses(administrative) refuse to coperate to get full accreditation for many years bfr God finally answered my friends' prayers last yr. N dats thru d students efforts o o,(borrowing materials frm oda depts, payin 10k per student,etc) no support frm dier body.
n now a nurse is tellin me docs r d cause of dier probs, ndi ori.

dear Ngozi i can see pointedly you people are trying oh,nurses too.the effort put in to succeed medicine or any other profession is not a joke.everybody are important just that God planned life the way it is and as such authorities are constituted as same.thank you.Engr Etim

etim4uniuyo: dear Ngozi i can see pointedly you people are trying oh,nurses too.the effort put in to succeed medicine or any other profession is not a joke.everybody are important just that God planned life the way it is and as such authorities are constituted as same.thank you.Engr Etim

thank u, my dear.

@ngozi, yeah nursing in nigeria need total overhauling, am telling ya. Other professions are progressing in the academic world but nurses have just woken up from slumber and now some old cargo nurses want to pull nurses down, kai..... honestly i am not ready to listen to anybody. I don't know about other nurses but for me amma reach my zenith.
Older nurses are enjoying where they are because they feel it is their peak and they want to keep every other person there in this 21st century !!!!!!.
We know our duty actually and we are trying to do it well but when some other professional start sounding condescending about your profession it put you on the defensive giving room to comparing and contrasting of both professions which is so unhealthy in the health sector.

Joanna Sedley: @ngozi, yeah nursing in nigeria need total overhauling, am telling ya. Other professions are progressing in the academic world but nurses have just woken up from slumber and now some old cargo nurses want to pull nurses down, kai..... honestly i am not ready to listen to anybody. I don't know about other nurses but for me amma reach my zenith.
Older nurses are enjoying where they are because they feel it is their peak and they want to keep every other person there in this 21st century !!!!!!.
We know our duty actually and we are trying to do it well but when some other professional start sounding condescending about your profession it put you on the defensive giving room to comparing and contrasting of both professions which is so unhealthy in the health sector.

wow@joanna nice write up i gbadun your last paragraph.the job of a nurse make sense oh.make una do am judiciously oh.

Bullshits said here

You are simply defined as an Idiot.I don't belong to any of those professions but isee you so myopic in your thinking.

Mr Tumble: It baffles me when people come here to rant about doctors, If you feel doctors oppress you as a nurse why not become one. If you feel doctors are myopic...you who is hyperopia why not become one. If you feel doctors are overrated..why not become one. There is no basis of comparison when comparing any profession, each profession is vital to one another. Its only a nurse with pseudo-malicious ego that will not accept that doctors are the head of the medical team,that doesn't make them a god either. And people differ based on temperament and background. As for me....my motto is never to rely on any nurses recording no matter what....I always do my own check...the easiest way to professional career destruction is via nurses and to stardom as well,depending on who you working with,. like someone wrote..."Only if they can do a quarter of their braggado in developed country". Answer is "YES". You call the shots when you are an authority in your field. Many Nigerian doctors do. Utter rubbish-- Analysing both professions : in terms of years;
medicine - 3yrs medicine and 3yrs surgery.
Nursing - 3yrs nursing and 2yrs midwifery and public health.
Pharmacy - 6yrs
Anyone can do public health or midwifery. So including it as part of nursing training is the joke of the century. There is public health for disaster, nutrition, eye and so on. its either at bachelors level or masters level or phd. (Not player haters degree). Public health is a different field on its own and am sure some Nigerian doctors, pharmacist, biochemist etc have degrees in this field. Terrible. Get over it......

Rexsul: I tink Nurses r only being jealous of d medical doctors. Imagn them comparing themselves wit d doctors! Do they even knw wot it takes 2 b a doctor? Do they knw d hell u wil pass through b4 u r gvn d cert. Of MBBS? Mtcheeeew!! Take it or leave it The Doctors r naturally ahead of other medical proffession.

smh

A nurse comparing herself to a doctor is like a motor pack preacher comparing himself to a general overseer. I can't tell the ease with which I get visas at the embassy, its so soothing or the way organisation justled for we docs during youth service, having more than 2 jobs as a mere corper. Doctors are so respected abroad, infact medicine is the only profession foreign embassies still trust in Nigeria , but Nigerians for their love for cheap to free service claim to prefer nurses, though deep in our hearts we know the truth. The challenges of the nigerian nurse are self imposed, based on gross inferiority, envy and outright foolishness. Imagine someone who entered nursing school without an entrance exams coming to compare herself with a doc or someone whose job is to give me instruments as I perform my surgery asking to be paid equally. In Unilag you need 4.5 in their diploma to study medicine, you need 2.8 to enter for nursing, is this difference not glaring enough? In the US you can study nursing whether or not u ar a science student because its merely bedside work and procedures but not so for medicine. D fuji artist Dekunle fuji is now a nurse in the US even though he was never a science student. Let's call a spade a spade and not play squash with I the truth. The sooner nigerian nurses know this the better for them. Blessings

Tales of a frustrated Nigerian Doctor goes thus:

dr_joshua2000: A nurse comparing herself to a doctor is like a motor pack preacher comparing himself to a general overseer. I can't tell the ease with which I get visas at the embassy, its so soothing or the way organisation justled for we docs during youth service, having more than 2 jobs as a mere corper. Doctors are so respected abroad, infact medicine is the only profession foreign embassies still trust in Nigeria , but Nigerians for their love for cheap to free service claim to prefer nurses, though deep in our hearts we know the truth. The challenges of the nigerian nurse are self imposed, based on gross inferiority, envy and outright foolishness. Imagine someone who entered nursing school without an entrance exams coming to compare herself with a doc or someone whose job is to give me instruments as I perform my surgery asking to be paid equally. In Unilag you need 4.5 in their diploma to study medicine, you need 2.8 to enter for nursing, is this difference not glaring enough? In the US you can study nursing whether or not u ar a science student because its merely bedside work and procedures but not so for medicine. D fuji artist Dekunle fuji is now a nurse in the US even though he was never a science student. Let's call a spade a spade and not play squash with I the truth. The sooner nigerian nurses know this the better for them. Blessings

you once told us u regretd been a medic, remember? I will exhume the post now before you modified it.

dr_joshua2000: A nurse comparing herself to a doctor is like a motor pack preacher comparing himself to a general overseer. I can't tell the ease with which I get visas at the embassy, its so soothing or the way organisation justled for we docs during youth service, having more than 2 jobs as a mere corper. Doctors are so respected abroad, infact medicine is the only profession foreign embassies still trust in Nigeria , but Nigerians for their love for cheap to free service claim to prefer nurses, though deep in our hearts we know the truth. The challenges of the nigerian nurse are self imposed, based on gross inferiority, envy and outright foolishness. Imagine someone who entered nursing school without an entrance exams coming to compare herself with a doc or someone whose job is to give me instruments as I perform my surgery asking to be paid equally. In Unilag you need 4.5 in their diploma to study medicine, you need 2.8 to enter for nursing, is this difference not glaring enough? In the US you can study nursing whether or not u ar a science student because its merely bedside work and procedures but not so for medicine. D fuji artist Dekunle fuji is now a nurse in the US even though he was never a science student. Let's call a spade a spade and not play squash with I the truth. The sooner nigerian nurses know this the better for them. Blessings

Boss, let's say the truth, non-science students in the USA can study medicine, even lawyers.....

I don't want us to quarrel over this matter, I mean docs and nurses.... if we continue like this, how would the patient survive??

How does a non science student in US study medicine? Even as a doc I hv to pass all the steps of USMLE and then do residency before studying medicine there and still show proof of studying medicine in my country to them. Nursing training will take me 6months of learning the procedures and taking the test. its actually tougher doing nursing in Nigeria though and their curriculum is much more solid now. No intention to beef anyone was just bothered about the anti-doc thread hiding under the guise of "challenges of the Nigerian nurse"! Thanks Lagusta but you'll see them in action soon, except you won't practice.

#me@:
Tales of a frustrated Nigerian Doctor goes thus:

you once told us u regretd been a medic, remember? I will exhume the post now before you modified it.

How are you doing me? Hope the weekend is going well? Sometimes I regret cos of the pay but other times I don't cos I enjoy serving. We cannot be happy forever, can we? Our only real joy is in God not in all this. Pardon my offensive words too, they aren't personal.

Oh, but non-science students study medicine, a vey good example is Frank H. Netter MD... Who studied arts, was fascinated about the human body and went ahead to study medicine.....

And of course, I have seen alot of harsh, cruel nurses, but I have also seen sweet, loving and caring ones too....

Lagusta: Oh, but non-science students study medicine, a vey good example is Frank H. Netter MD... Who studied arts, was fascinated about the human body and went ahead to study medicine.....

And of course, I have seen alot of harsh, cruel nurses, but I have also seen sweet, loving and caring ones too....

u are more reasonble.
How housemanshp?

Lagusta: Oh, but non-science students study medicine, a vey good example is Frank H. Netter MD... Who studied arts, was fascinated about the human body and went ahead to study medicine.....

And of course, I have seen alot of harsh, cruel nurses, but I have also seen sweet, loving and caring ones too....

Read the requirements of being a medical doctor in the US. You must do a science foundation like Premed or so. Netter did Art (drawing) which you could study too. Most student in fine and creative arts are actually science students. Study up requirements of being a doc in the US, not for argument sake but for knowledge sake. Its would help us from sending a wrong message. Thanks doctor

^obsession at its peak.

Joanna Sedley: ^obsession at its peak.

i tell ya

dr_joshua2000: How does a non science student in US study medicine? Even as a doc I hv to pass all the steps of USMLE and then do residency before studying medicine there and still show proof of studying medicine in my country to them. Nursing training will take me 6months of learning the procedures and taking the test. its actually tougher doing nursing in Nigeria though and their curriculum is much more solid now. No intention to beef anyone was just bothered about the anti-doc thread hiding under the guise of "challenges of the Nigerian nurse"! Thanks Lagusta but you'll see them in action soon, except you won't practice.

Am currently in USA for my phd, my flat mate is about to start medical school. you can study medicine once you have a first degree in any field including music, basket weaving, engineering, political science etc. what matters is your mcat. so basically, the medical training here is 4 years plus residency and 3years of medical school for those going into family medicine. The only battle on ground is the nurse practioners going solo. that is the turf war going on now. so travel out first before talking. 6months nursing training is for certified nursing assistant program. nursing is a 4year bachelors degree program. If you wanna practice independently or own ur own practice, you go for nurse practitioner program (NP)or doctor of nursing practice program(DNP). Am just happy because everybody seem to mind their own here unlike nigeria where people are always trying to prove a point.

prettyprettywow: Am currently in USA for my phd, my flat mate is about to start medical school. you can study medicine once you have a first degree in any field including music, basket weaving, engineering, political science etc. what matters is your mcat. so basically, the medical training here is 4 years plus residency and 3years of medical school for those going into family medicine. The only battle on ground is the nurse practioners going solo. that is the turf war going on now. so travel out first before talking. 6months nursing training is for certified nursing assistant program. nursing is a 4year bachelors degree program. If you wanna practice independently or own ur own practice, you go for nurse practitioner program (NP)or doctor of nursing practice program(DNP). Am just happy because everybody seem to mind their own here unlike nigeria where people are always trying to prove a point.

Thanx for the clarification