Al aiyt bro. Bt i think a persn wit weakness, diffulties nd prone to or wit sickness is neva a restful heart. A pesn wit weakness has no restful heart for "fear" of falling into danger, loosing a battle/race/game etc until he identifys ds weakness nd successfuly curtail it. A persn whos sick neva hs a restful heart because he continues to worry about he's health, 4 it may lead to d end of his life. A pesn wit diffulties neva has a restful heart, d memories alone mk d heart skip, dt is nt a restful heart oh, infact wit al d above conditions a pesn cn die of hrt attack oh, bros hw u c am nah

LemonBoy1: Al aiyt bro. Bt i think a persn wit weakness, diffulties nd prone to or wit sickness is neva a restful heart. A pesn wit weakness has no restful heart for "fear" of falling into danger,

There's always danger even for the strong. According to the bible, even God supposedly is in danger at times

LemonBoy1:
loosing a battle/race/game etc until he identifys ds weakness nd successfuly curtail it.

Once again there's always weakness. [Once there's strength, there's weakness. Its implied. As a matter of fact everything is implied. Nothing implied something and everything]

LemonBoy1:
A persn whos sick neva hs a restful heart because he continues to worry about he's health, 4 it may lead to d end of his life.

Even healthy people can worry about their health if they want to

LemonBoy1:
A pesn wit diffulties neva has a restful heart, d memories alone mk d heart skip, dt is nt a restful heart oh, infact wit al d above conditions a pesn cn die of hrt attack oh, bros hw u c am nah

Same thing with sickness.

The voices in our head that make us worry and strive and so on has been with us all our life. It's a survival mechanism and it has its purpose but that voice which I'll call the ego has been with us so long that we now think the voice is Us. The real Us isn't that voice in our head and this is life's ultimate con.
Once you can separate the ego from your real self you'll see that there's nothing to fear because the real you is one with everything in existence. the ultimate con is the illusion that we are separate from everything else. Once you break out of this illusion you'll realize that you are for all intents and purposes part of God [I don't mean the ego is God. the ego can be called the devil as it is the cause of all evil] and you'll see that all external enemies and perceived negative circumstances are a projection of the ego and what then is left to fear?

You are a dreamer within your dream and you are something in your dream but yet you are paradoxically all of it.

Brother, nbdy is completely heathy. U cn ask any doc. No absolute medical checkup is 100% passd. I tink d word "healthy" is relative, dts by d way though. Nw my bros, Hussle 4 survival no mata hw little it is does'nt mean a restful heart. A perfect existence does. I think a restful heart has entirely nting 2 worry about, everytin cms ur own way without side effects (dats wat we humans lvs, nbdy lvs 2 lose), a pesn wit a restful heart is perfect, confident of d future (humans r nt sure of d future) nd u nd i knw dat humans r imperfect either.

LemonBoy1: Hussle 4 survival no mata hw little it is does'nt mean a restful heart. A perfect existence does. I think a restful heart has entirely nting 2 worry about, everytin cms ur own way without side effects (dats wat we humans lvs, nbdy lvs 2 lose), a pesn wit a restful heart is perfect, confident of d future (humans r nt sure of d future) nd u nd i knw dat humans r imperfect either.

This is why I tried to take time to explain the ego.

Let me talk from my own point of view. I have nothing to worry about [My ego has things to worry about. i don't allow it though]. Everything I need comes my way without side effects [Everything my ego needs doesn't come its way without side effects] No human can lose [The ego can and will definitely lose] Everything is perfect [It is the ego that would tell you it isn't perfect] I am confident of the future [My ego isn't] humans are perfect [Even the ego is perfect in that it serves its purpose perfectly during the period its required]

On an unrelated note I do not even fear death [My ego fears death]

My bro, ds where i get confused. Hw cn u say human is perfect? Where does d word "mistake" cm frm (evn among veterans)? Hw cn u b sure nd confident of d future wen things lyk wars or terrorist attack cn js bumb up in between nd cos a hell of a havoc to ur confident future? Y do u plan against unpredicted contigencies? If humans were perfect, d world would av being berra, mayb ego would av given in since to our own perfection

^There are only different outcomes. Whatever outcome occurs is perfect. Even mistakes, death and wars and so on

"whatever" or "whoever? Its humans self perfection (self accuracy) we r talking about oh. For instant, A perfect man is so perfect dt he is sure nd confident of being in Spain 2maro, made al his perfect arrangements, plans nd contacts only 4 him to endup in d hospital after a terrible accidend enroute the airport. Hw is this human stil perfect?

^I said that there can only be different outcomes. Whatever outcome that occurs is perfect.

If the initial plan was to end up in Spain and the person ends up in the hospital, it is the ego that would say that the outcome isn't perfect because its relating it to other outcomes. Once again the ego is a survival mechanism and it has its purposes but if all humans were supposed to end up in the hospital like the man did, wouldn't ending up in the hospital be the perfect outcome and those that end up in Spain the imperfect ones to the ego?

The outcome however it occurs is perfect but in your understanding it is the ego that defines perfection. Everything that relates to the ego and comes out of it is a lie. The egos definition of perfection is false. Everything is perfection. its then our egos that creates imperfection based on relativity to its created perfection idea

Hahahahaha, "what ever d outcome is perfect: d ego mk us feel dt ds 1 is perfect while d other is imperfect" bros u funny oh, am talking about d perfection of human being as a living being achieving his goals exactly d way he plans it, u r talking about perfection of an unforseen incident dt hinders him. Bros i hide behind d cross oh

OK. to make it simpler just call your current thoughts the ego [The voice in your head]

LemonBoy1:
am talking about d perfection of human being as a living being achieving his goals exactly d way he plans it, u r talking about perfection of an unforseen incident dt hinders him.

Exactly the way HE plans it. What I'm saying is that it is the ego that planned it. The ego can never attain perfection in life as life cannot go according to the what the ego wants. However the ego gives us our small victories. If you play chess you'll know about sacrificing pawns to get bigger pieces.
What that voice in your head takes from you at the end after giving you your degree, job, house or whatever it paints as a victory to you cannot be compared.

The real self would not plan but would just go along with events never being worried or afraid *State of nothingness. begin to lose your identity*

If you can lay your hands on the Jason Statham film called Revolver made in 2005 I would recommend that you watch it over and over again till you understand it.

Hahahaha, my bro u r so funi. So d real man (nt perfect ds time) dnt plan, he js watch things unfold nd lives wit it, its ego dat does d planning nt him. Yet u say u r a pefect man nd sure/confident of ur future. What is ur future (dnt tel me its ego dat tell u ur future) ?, after identifying ur future, won't u kari out activities (planning) dat'l enable u achieve it (e.g ur survival, relocation if necessary, evn hardwork too)? If a real man only needs to live nd watch accept d way tins unfold, i tel u, he stil nids to plan it so to ensure dat he realy leaves things to hapn hw ever it chooses.

LemonBoy1: Hahahaha, my bro u r so funi. So d real man (nt perfect ds time) dnt plan, he js watch things unfold nd lives wit it, its ego dat does d planning nt him.

Did I say the real man isn't perfect? I said everything is perfect but the ego paints imperfections. Try and think back to when you were a little child. That's when your ego just started forming with the help of external influences. I'm sure you were truly happy in that state. Happy with the world and happy with everything around you. you had no fears and no plans for the future and no disappointments and so on. But when you learn language and people start telling you things and expectations start arising, that's the ego beginning to form. By around the age of 4 or 5 it should be fully formed

LemonBoy1:
Yet u say u r a pefect man nd sure/confident of ur future. What is ur future (dnt tel me its ego dat tell u ur future) ?, after identifying ur future, won't u kari out activities (planning) dat'l enable u achieve it (e.g ur survival, relocation if necessary, evn hardwork too)?

At the end of the day all everyone is pursuing is happiness. I know I can't rely on my ego to give me that happiness because once I start relying on its version of happiness then I have fallen into its con.

For example that childhood state of initial happiness is what people should be in, but other people's ego soon wipes that state from existence. And then the a new ego is formed to make sure that state shouldn't be achieved again. in order to do this, it grants us small victories of false happiness once in a while but that happiness isn't real. For example I want a Camry now and after planning for the future and working hard, my ego gives it to me. [The ego gets stronger] Then the happiness the Camry gives me fades and I want a Mercedes. it follows the same cycle till I want a Rolls Royce. the ego is never satisfied but all the happiness such things would give me aren't real.

So as relates to me I try to be in that initial childhood state as much as possible. Not planning for the future or worrying but just enjoying the outcomes. its surprising that the original state of happiness would then cause similar "happy" things to happen to you. Fear and worry achieves the same in that it can cause the outcome you concentrate your mind on

LemonBoy1:
If a real man only needs to live nd watch accept d way tins unfold, i tel u, he stil nids to plan it so to ensure dat he realy leaves things to hapn hw ever it chooses.

The way you use the term "real man" Which kind of man isn't a real man?

The things I'm trying to tell you is what some religions have tried to explain E.g Buddhism. Even when i read some things that Jesus said, it seemed like He was hinting at this.

Well well said my bros though u skipped sm of my question (d vital ones) . At ds junture, I nw deduce frm ur above post dat :
1. Since d ego can plan nd decieve us, D ego hs a mind of it own therefore d ego is a living separate being in human.
2. D childhood hapines is perfect cos a child lacks ego for planning and aspireing (evn though a baby, the hungry ones esp always aspires to b wit his mum nd plans to eat afterwards he sees her)
3. D perfect man does'nt fear naturaly, it is d powerful ego dat mks him do ( evn as d child/baby again, crys cos of an uncomfortable/incomprehensive feeling which sets fear/panick in him nd mks him screem 4 survival)

u personaly dnt plan at all at all (i assume) bt in d first plc, U hav actually planned nt to plan at all so u could knw wen u suddely begin to plan nd hw to stop it. As i said earlier own, man is neva sure/ confident of his future because he is'nt perfect (js as u were neva sure of witnessing ds 2013).

toba: Dont get it wrong. U are not on ur way to hell for failing to be a christian. What about those that died as good Muslims? You need to fully understand what Christianity is all about. It simply means Christ-like. You admitted that Jesus has good characters. what Christians does is to follow these characters and make heaven. Jesus said we shouldnt kill or do evil. If u obey him, then you have no issues. You're here on NL posting and no moderator can ban you for posting. You'll only be banned for breaking the rules and if you failed to accede to corrects, Seun reserves the right to ban u 'eternally'

Christians and their endless revisionism. . .Always self projecting themselves as god. . .Where does the bible say that every body will go to heaven. .

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

mazaje:

Christians and their endless revisionism. . .Always self projecting themselves as god. . .Where does the bible say that every body will go to heaven. .

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Beautiful. What does Jesus represent? If u can answer this, then u'll understand my point. What was Jesus' Message? Who is Jesus? who is a christian? What is Jesus' message to the world? Did he come and established himself or the principles of God? Ans and you'll see why im very correct

toba: Beautiful. What does Jesus represent? If u can answer this, then u'll understand my point. What was Jesus' Message? Who is Jesus? who is a christian? What is Jesus' message to the world? Did he come and established himself or the principles of God? Ans and you'll see why im very correct

It sounds all JUICY but I think you are in the minority here. I have been told that I am going to hell regardless of my actions.

Atheist:-D:


It sounds all JUICY but I think you are in the minority here. I have been told that I am going to hell regardless of my actions.

I think, i think, ur actiöns r nt "absolutely right/just" unless u r aided by the teachings of Jesus Christ. I think dats d point of d quatation

LemonBoy1: Well well said my bros though u skipped sm of my question (d vital ones)

What are they again?

LemonBoy1:
. At ds junture, I nw deduce frm ur above post dat :
1. Since d ego can plan nd decieve us, D ego hs a mind of it own therefore d ego is a living separate being in human.

Yes. Kind of. I expected a christian to be able to relate to this. This is what you people know as the devil. "The devil tempted me and made me do this" The ego is a tool of the body. Or I could even argue that the snake that was telling Eve to eat the fruit was a figurative expression to represent something in her [That's irrelevant though and I'm not saying that's what happened]. But someone like Paul would say things like What He wants to do so He doesn't do them and what He doesn't want to do is what He finds himself doing He later made a clear distinction between 2 personalities in him. What he called the body and what He called the spirit. That's what I'll call ego and man

LemonBoy1:
2. D childhood hapines is perfect cos a child lacks ego for planning and aspireing (evn though a baby, the hungry ones esp always aspires to b wit his mum nd plans to eat afterwards he sees her)

First of all there is discomfort which can be cause by other people's ego and that pain has nothing to do with your state of mind but your physical body. For example if someone wants to steal my car and the person shoots my leg. I'll feel the pain whether I want to or not or whether I plan for it. its just the body we occupy.
The babies are feeling the pain but I sincerely doubt that what babies spend their time doing is planning and aspiring on how to suck breast.

LemonBoy1:
3. D perfect man does'nt fear naturaly, it is d powerful ego dat mks him do ( evn as d child/baby again, crys cos of an uncomfortable/incomprehensive feeling which sets fear/panick in him nd mks him screem 4 survival)

Once again I'm talking about states of mind. As I've mentioned above other people's ego can and would cause me discomfort. Also reflex would make me take actions to avoid such discomfort instinctively. But man's state of mind shouldn't be on fear. When the ego enters is when man now starts to fear things like failure or not being successful and the list goes on

LemonBoy1:
u personaly dnt plan at all at all (i assume) bt in d first plc, U hav actually planned nt to plan at all so u could knw wen u suddely begin to plan nd hw to stop it. As i said earlier own, man is neva sure/ confident of his future because he is'nt perfect (js as u were neva sure of witnessing ds 2013).

Planning for the future and planning at all are subtly different. I mean I don't plan how my future should turn out and worry over it and so on. Of course man makes plans but planning for the future where you are better than before or better than everyone else is the ego working and that's just futile.
About my plan not to plan. That's not a plan at all. That's just a decision
When you say man is not sure or confident of his future because He is not perfect. I'll rephrase that for you. Man's ego is never sure or confident of its future because it is not perfect.

If you believe you are eternal then what future are you not confident of?

Affiliated:

What are they again?



Yes. Kind of. I expected a christian to be able to relate to this. This is what you people know as the devil. "The devil tempted me and made me do this" The ego is a tool of the body. Or I could even argue that the snake that was telling Eve to eat the fruit was a figurative expression to represent something in her [That's irrelevant though and I'm not saying that's what happened]. But someone like Paul would say things like What He wants to do so He doesn't do them and what He doesn't want to do is what He finds himself doing He later made a clear distinction between 2 personalities in him. What he called the body and what He called the spirit. That's what I'll call ego and man



First of all there is discomfort which can be cause by other people's ego and that pain has nothing to do with your state of mind but your physical body. For example if someone wants to steal my car and the person shoots my leg. I'll feel the pain whether I want to or not or whether I plan for it. its just the body we occupy.
The babies are feeling the pain but I sincerely doubt that what babies spend their time doing is planning and aspiring on how to suck breast.



Once again I'm talking about states of mind. As I've mentioned above other people's ego can and would cause me discomfort. Also reflex would make me take actions to avoid such discomfort instinctively. But man's state of mind shouldn't be on fear. When the ego enters is when man now starts to fear things like failure or not being successful and the list goes on



Planning for the future and planning at all are subtly different. I mean I don't plan how my future should turn out and worry over it and so on. Of course man makes plans but planning for the future where you are better than before or better than everyone else is the ego working and that's just futile.
About my plan not to plan. That's not a plan at all. That's just a decision
When you say man is not sure or confident of his future because He is not perfect. I'll rephrase that for you. Man's ego is never sure or confident of its future because it is not perfect.

If you believe you are eternal then what future are you not confident of?

bros, u av said well. U call d spirit Paul was refering to Ego. Accoding to ur explanation of ego, i undastand dat it mks man want to becm beta dn others esp to control d powers of other, in otherwords, crave 4 power. Bt in ds Paul story, u r nt korect. D humbly nd meek life of Paul (during nd after ds declaration) totaly negates ur definition of Ego, it is entirely opp.
Good enough, u nw agree dat "man actualy does plan", i agree wit ur "better than befor or every one else purpose of plan". Bt its nt always d case (i mean plan 4 progress relative to others nd 1ns presnt state). 1 might meet a pesn in dire need (say sickness), d natural instinct of man (evn babies) would b to help nd begin to source 4 help materials, in sourcing 4 it, he'l hv 2 plan so to get them in due time else d sick pesn dies, nw dats nt an "ego driven plan" , is it?
Bt u mk ds ego thing animate. As if it has its own will, mind. As if it thinks, as if its a complex being such dat d natural powers of man is weak towards it. Good nd fine, d ego of man tells him lies nd decieves him (evn wen he helps d sick or hungry). Ds ego is entirely bad nd hates man bt stil resides in him. Man on his own knws nothing. Man does'nt evn knw y he is here in d first place. Man does'nt want to kip surviving on earth (inother words, man does'nt willingly flee 4rm an approaching hungry lion for instance, its his ego dt prompts him). Bros, ur definition 4 ego gvs absolute disregard 4 Man, it relegates man to being js a vessle 4 d ego to exist nd nothing more. Therefore, Man hs no future (ego does), man does nt knw y he is here (ego does), man does'nt think or knw anything at al (ego does) inother words, u exist js because ur ego wants to exist. Wat a powerful ego

toba: Beautiful. What does Jesus represent? If u can answer this, then u'll understand my point. What was Jesus' Message? Who is Jesus? who is a christian? What is Jesus' message to the world? Did he come and established himself or the principles of God? Ans and you'll see why im very correct

Just show me ONE place where the bible says that unbelievers will go to heaven. . .Show me one place where it says that people that do NOT believe in Jesus will be saved. . .

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. (John 3:16)

9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10:9)

All this in addition to what Jesus said about him being the ONLY way to god. . .SHOW me where the bible says that people that do not believe in Jesus will be saved. . .Why do you guys keep remixing what is written in black and white?. . .ALWAYS trying to force your own opinions into what is already written simply because you do not agree with it or it does not make sense to you. . .

^^^ lol, bros, u knw d bible well oh. So lt me ask u, wen d bible says d wages of sin is death, wat does it mean?

LemonBoy1: ^^^ lol, bros, u knw d bible well oh. So lt me ask u, wen d bible says d wages of sin is death, wat does it mean?

Just show me where it is written in the bible that those that do not believe in Jesus will be saved. . .I have shown you where it says they will not be saved. . .Show me where it is written that they will be saved. . .

mazaje:

Just show me where it is written in the bible that those that do not believe in Jesus will be saved. . .I have shown your where it says they will not be saved. . .Show me where it is written that they will be saved. . .

bro, i did'nt debunk ur reasoning, i js askd u a simple question since u knw d bible very well. Y answer a question wit another question? My freind " Affiliated" wil soon convict u 4 letting ur ego overshadow u. Answer d simple question nah, we r all learning oh

LemonBoy1:
bros, u av said well. U call d spirit Paul was refering to Ego. Accoding to ur explanation of ego, i undastand dat it mks man want to becm beta dn others esp to control d powers of other, in otherwords, crave 4 power. Bt in ds Paul story, u r nt korect. D humbly nd meek life of Paul (during nd after ds declaration) totaly negates ur definition of Ego, it is entirely opp.

I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I called the spirit Paul was referring to as his real self while the flesh He referred to as always trying to interfere as the ego. Yes I meant the entire opposite from the way you understood it

Good enough, u nw agree dat "man actualy does plan" , i agree wit ur "better than befor or every one else purpose of plan". Bt its nt always d case (i mean plan 4 progress relative to others nd 1ns presnt state). 1 might meet a pesn in dire need (say sickness), d natural instinct of man (evn babies) would b to help nd begin to source 4 help materials, in sourcing 4 it, he'l hv 2 plan so to get them in due time else d sick pesn dies, nw dats nt an "ego driven plan" , is it?

No. No it is not

Bt u mk ds ego thing animate. As if it has its own will, mind. As if it thinks, as if its a complex being such dat d natural powers of man is weak towards it. Good nd fine, d ego of man tells him lies nd decieves him (evn wen he helps d sick or hungry). Ds ego is entirely bad nd hates man bt stil resides in him. Man on his own knws nothing. Man does'nt evn knw y he is here in d first place. Man does'nt want to kip surviving on earth (inother words, man does'nt willingly flee 4rm an approaching hungry lion for instance, its his ego dt prompts him). Bros, ur definition 4 ego gvs absolute disregard 4 Man, it relegates man to being js a vessle 4 d ego to exist nd nothing more. Therefore, Man hs no future (ego does), man does nt knw y he is here (ego does), man does'nt think or knw anything at al (ego does) inother words, u exist js because ur ego wants to exist. Wat a powerful ego

I think you misunderstand me. Lets say that there is a container I'll call the body. The body should be occupied by a being that transcends it and can leave it at will and so on. However this is uncommon knowledge. So along side this being that occupies the body [Let's call it a soul for easiness sake] The body starts developing the ego. The ego is so integrated with the body that very soon man is only aware of the body/ego and no longer aware of the soul. Soon all you are aware of is the ego and you know the ego to be yourself. The ego isn't bad and doesn't hate you afterall the ego is still you [in a sense since it is from you] and the ego still serves its purpose perfectly. It makes you want to stay here for as long as possible and learn and do as much as possible while here and that isn't bad. But an alternative lifestyle [A better one in my view] is to realize the soul and also operate from its reality.

Many people who get to realize their soul already have an extremely strong ego. that makes them associate the soul in them with the ego and mix the two up and the soul then operates from the ego too. For example people who learn to disassociate their soul from their body disassociate their ego too so they see their soul as a body with the same shape as the physical body and so on but they are not and they cannot be the same thing. The ego doesn't survive death but the eternal being in you does. When you die if you had operated from your ego all your life, what you know as LemonBoy1 would be gone forever.

My bros, for d Paul's quotation i advice u read d passage again begining 4rm d first verse of d chapter, then u'l understand dt d spirit he meant was'nt he's real self. Paul was a very educated man, if he meant his real self he would'nt av said "The Spirit" ! (his own/independent spirit)

About u denying dt u neva agreed dat human mst plan, pls re-read ur previous post.

In ur 3rd paragraph lies another confusion. U had initialy established ego as a powerful entity, a deciever of man, dt leads man into extremities in order to b better than others, etc, bt nw u av turned ego into smfin veri good to man (positive nd negative ego i guess). Also, introduced another idea, d Soul. Dt ds soul is "good" as relates to d ego (+ve or -ve) nd u recommend a synergy of d Soul and d Ego. If d soul begins to work through d ego, den it (ego) is no longer an "ego" again (as it looses all its might to d soul) inother words, ego will leave entirely, nd we knw dat absolute extinction of ego is nt realistic . Ur examples here confirms it too

LemonBoy1: My bros, for d Paul's quotation i advice u read d passage again begining 4rm d first verse of d chapter, then u'l understand dt d spirit he meant was'nt he's real self. Paul was a very educated man, if he meant his real self he would'nt av said "The Spirit" ! (his own/independent spirit)

I know you'll say that it was God's spirit that Paul was talking about and if that's your claim then OK. I accept it. I personally choose to believe that "God's spirit" as Paul put it is in everybody just that some people don't know this and can't access it

LemonBoy1:
About u denying dt u neva agreed dat human mst plan, pls re-read ur previous post.

Words subtly used make all the difference. Since we are calling it Spirit now then let's say that what I said was Spirit does no planning concerning the future along with worrying and fearing it and I maintain that. the kind of plan I understand you to be talking about are things like How to perform minor tasks. I feel this better fall under the category of making decisions but let's just leave them as a different kind of plan from things like 'What I want to be in 20 years"

LemonBoy1:
In ur 3rd paragraph lies another confusion. U had initialy established ego as a powerful entity, a deciever of man, dt leads man into extremities in order to b better than others, etc, bt nw u av turned ego into smfin veri good to man

I always said that the ego has its purpose which it does perfectly. i don't know what you view as good or bad but I know that the ego does what its supposed to do well which is survive.
In the process of survival the ego might get so strong and lead people to extremities that other people's egos would view as bad however I just view it as a different outcome.
So yes I maintain that the ego deceives in the sense that it presents itself as you when it is just something or a tool you have and yes a strong enough ego can lead man to extremities. But all these don't make the ego bad. It is still serving its purpose perfect [In line with re-reading my post I know I said the ego isn't perfect but what I mean is that all views of imperfection come from the ego so it is the ego that brings what we perceive as imperfections when they don't measure up with its expectations]

LemonBoy1:
(positive nd negative ego i guess). Also, introduced another idea, d Soul. Dt ds soul is "good" as relates to d ego (+ve or -ve) nd u recommend a synergy of d Soul and d Ego. If d soul begins to work through d ego, den it (ego) is no longer an "ego" again (as it looses all its might to d soul) inother words, ego will leave entirely, nd we knw dat absolute extinction of ego is nt realistic . Ur examples here confirms it too

All I said was that there should be a distinction between the ego and spirit. [Let's call it spirit now in line with the usage above]

I tried to explain that some people who get to realize their spirit nature have a very strong ego that they now attach their spirit to the ego so that even when they are able to make their spirit leave their physical body they still see their spirit in the form of a human shape [The spirit can take any form and should be naturally formless]. When Paul said He said that he was caught up in the third heavens. I don't know what Paul meant by third heavens but I know Paul could separate his spirit from his body if what He said above was true.

Finally if the ego loses all its might to the spirit then yes the ego wouldn't exist again or it might be transformed to something else [I don't know as I haven't done it before] but The Buddha described this state and called it Nirvana. That is the state where the ego doesn't exist again and at that point you don't have any identity except the identity of everything. So you would paradoxically be everything, something and nothing [I don't care to explain this further. It's unexplainable. only yourself can explain it to yourself]

But the state of nirvana aside, if one realizes the ego and the spirit and can separate them and make use of the ego for "positive" outcomes then that's good. For example you could call me a fool and then my ego swings into action and starts telling me things like "who's LemonBoy1 to call me a fool?" "Let's make him pay so He wouldn't do this again" " Does He even know who I am and what I have gone through?" and so on. In that case you've insulted my ego and if I don't realize this I'll allow my ego to make me do something stupid. But once I realize what's going on half-way, I'll just put an end to it. Once you recognize the ego, One of the ways to weaken the ego is humility.
When I say weaken it the point is so it wouldn't control you but remains the tool its supposed to be. You should control it

Very very well said my big bro. I cn nw say dat both of us agree dat ego exist naturally in Man.

^Yes, yes it does

Nw dats settles ds very enlightening debate. Man naturally is'nt perfect cos of his inherent/natural ego so dats y Man continously strive 4 perfection nd to ensures its sustainability wen achieved. I rest my issue here

But man is still perfect. Once again its your ego telling you that man is not perfect. And its just doing what its supposed to do perfectly. Whatever outcome that occurs is still perfect. Whether you follow the ego and try to make adjustments as you see fit or you just ignore it

LemonBoy1: Nw dats settles ds very enlightening debate. Man naturally is'nt perfect cos of his inherent/natural ego so dats y Man continously strive 4 perfection nd to ensures its sustainability wen achieved. I rest my issue here

Let me also add that from the point of view of the ego, perfection can never be achieved or sustained

Hahahaha, bros my bros u r too much oh. Ego leads to unperfection, dat i realy accept. Bt d problem is evrytin wit an inherent object of imperfection is wholly imperfect. Y does Man exist naturaly wit ds object of imperfection in him? I c it lyk a good car wit a totaly worn out tyres. It is bound 2 fail