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Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:30am On Feb 08, 2013 |
Neddivine: All thru the time of the disciples and apostles & converted gentile multitudes from Acts till Revelation in d bible there was no special reference or recognition accorded to Mary except to Lord Jesus.Their was no prayer to God made through her.Their was no honor supplication or intercession made for her or through her yet the catholics chose on their own to Deify her and give her honors due only to the Most High God and His son Jesus.I was once a catholic & can testify that till tomorow catholics bow,reverence,pray to and make obeisance to any statue of Mary contrary to Exodus 20:4,5:-dont worry kiddo, wen d crazy in my day slows down i'll open a thread on the topic. Hmm just watch out for it. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:32am On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :hahaha, dis mean ur salvation has passed away hehehe, 'cos d tin connecting mary and Jesus is ur salvation, sorry! |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:37am On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :oh u talking of deeds? Bringing christ to d world is d most noblest-est deed i know, infact by her "let it be" she made ur salvation posible. Oh and faith? Among d pipo d bible blessed 4 their faith is mary, do u know d verse dat says "blessed is she who believe dat d promised made to her will be fulfilled"? Haha, i think she beats ur record silly on both counts. Now try again. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:41am On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :and d next verse of that passage says "and he followed them home". Parental attachment to Christ while on the right hand side of the Father is nothing but a lie from the pit of hell, i repeat before Mary is Christ was. The devil loves counterfeiting the glory of God, the Romans worship the spirit of semiramis before the advent of Mary, they used Christianity as cover up for there pagan worship. (Study the link above it is from a Israeli rabbi).buh, go see a therapist, d above is really twisted. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:43am On Feb 08, 2013 |
truthislight:stupid question, where did God tell ur pastor to use microphone? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 10:44am On Feb 08, 2013 |
Lovethywilbedon: There is no place in the bible where it is literaly written that "Christians should even mention the name of the mother of Jesus" talk less of honoring her, but I will show you 5 places where mary was honourd in the bible. [1]. MARY WAS HONOURD BY GOD. (Lk1:28) "....Hail Mary, full of grace.,...". Remeber these were the "WORDS OF GOD" that were addressed to Mary through the angel. Now when you "HAIL" someone are you honouring that person?. YES. I WILL SHOW YOU THE NEXT [2](where mary was honour by the Holy spirit.) [3&4](two places where mary was honourd by Jesus) and [5](where Mary was honourd by a disciple of Christ). All these I will show you if you show that you a willing to by answering my simple questions with just [YES] or [NO]. [Q] If by Hailing someone, we are according HONOUR to that person, Do you think God HONOURED Mary when He HAILED her through angel Gabriel?. Answer Just Yes or No and I will show you No2 where mary was honoured by the Holy Spirit. * God found mary worthy of The conception of Christ, so it is a privilege or grace given to her. Where i caught catholics honoring her was in a song you sing " we are honoring mary, we are honoring , we are honoring mary, never worship and so the song go....." * But you did'nt answer my second question ? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:45am On Feb 08, 2013 |
Neddivine: Italo: Question 2: do you mean that God also contradicted his own law when he asked the Israelites to make a graven image of a bronze serpent and the Cherubs of the Ark of the covenant?oh! 4 d ark of d covenant they prostrated! How abt that? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:51am On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :hahaha, this is what i call relativism, if joshua bow to an image all is well, if catholics do so, they are idol worshippers, stop fooling around, it is called biblical principle, if joshua prostrates without comiting a sin, i can do same. Adoration is a matter of d heart not posture. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:52am On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :oh, d jew kept graven images wow! |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 10:53am On Feb 08, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: oh! 4 d ark of d covenant they prostrated! How abt that? The ark of God carries and represents God's presence, does mary statue carries His presence too ? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 10:54am On Feb 08, 2013 |
Mistade Regal: When are men of this generation going to understand the wiles of the devil? Worshipping mary is idolatery. Where in the Bible did you ever find or hear JESUS tell anybody to worship Mary? You are even talking of the queen of heaven? Which queen is married to a king in heaven? If you need more explanations go to LOVETHETRUTH.COM or via google search and type ALL THE WORLD BIG RELIGIONS ARE NEW WORLD ORDER CONTROLLED. I'm sure you will be startled after you finish reading. THOU SHALL NOT WORSHIP ANY OTHER GOD EXCEPT ME, THOU SHALL NOT MAKE UNTO THYSELF ANY GRAVEN IMAGE OF THINGS IN HEAVEN, EARTH OR UNDER THE EARTH, THOU SHALT NOT WORSHIP THEM, SERVE NOR BOW THYSELF UNTO THEM!!!!!!!!!!and who here say he adore mary? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 11:03am On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :who said anything about sharing glory with God? U are attacking ur own strawman. As regard honor luke say "from hence forth all generations shall call me blessed" dat my dear is honor. 2) why do you ask mary to pray for you, is she a spare mediator besides Christ ?hahaha, christ alone mediates the new covenant not mary or d saints. Instead d saints both on earth and in heaven are incorporated in christ and share in his ministry as intercessors! |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 11:09am On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :i guess we are following GOD's example! |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 11:11am On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :so it is now acceptable to prostrate b4 graven image so far it represents divine presence? 1 Like |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 11:27am On Feb 08, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: who said anything about sharing glory with God? U are attacking ur own strawman. As regard honor luke say "from hence forth all generations shall call me blessed" dat my dear is honor. Hahahahahah you got that in your new version of the bible right because my bible did'nt tell me so. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 11:39am On Feb 08, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: so it is now acceptable to prostrate b4 graven image so far it represents divine presence? No my dear, if you are in Christ, you are a new creation, and Christ resides in the new creation. So there is no need for that anymore but except you are a pagan worshipper. 2 con 5:17, col 1:26-27. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Lovethywilbedon: 9:36pm On Feb 08, 2013 |
HerexG :My friend are you blind? I answered your 2 questions starting with the last, the one you qouted is not complete. Go back and re-read my reply. By the way why are you dodging my question?. Don't you know how to answer just Yes or No to a simple question. Okay let me repeat it for you again. Since we can honour the people we love by Hailing them, Did God honour Mary when He HAILED her in His Word that was addressed to Mary through the angel Gabriel?. Please if you are bold enough, can you answer my question with just [YES] or [NO], so that I can show you other places Mary was Honourd in the Bible. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 12:04am On Feb 09, 2013 |
Lovethywilbedon: My friend are you blind? I answered your 2 questions starting with the last, the one you qouted is not complete. Go back and re-read my reply. By the way why are you dodging my question?. Don't you know how to answer just Yes or No to a simple question. Okay let me repeat it for you again. Since we can honour the people we love by Hailing them, Did God honour Mary when He HAILED her in His Word that was addressed to Mary through the angel Gabriel?. Please if you are bold enough, can you answer my question with just [YES] or [NO], so that I can show you other places Mary was Honourd in the Bible. No way ! God did'nt honor her, she was only graced (unmerited favor), she was full of grace to be found worthy to conceive Christ, that kind of privilege does'nt come to a mortal . So that's no honoring my dear, i think her honor is in heaven for being faithful enough to fulfill the promise. I will advise you focus more on God and His son and stop asking a mortal like you to pray (mediator) for you.... |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 6:38am On Feb 09, 2013 |
@ HerexG, You say God didn't honour Mary... ...Then you say "her honour is in heaven..." Who gave her the honour in heaven? God or satan? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by francisca5: 7:11am On Feb 09, 2013 |
Glory to jesus... Honour to Mary. 1 Like |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 9:00am On Feb 09, 2013 |
HerexG :dat means u havent even started feed on milk u are still in d womb. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Ubenedictus(m): 9:02am On Feb 09, 2013 |
italo: @ HerexG,abeg help me ask am oh? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 10:17am On Feb 09, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: dat means u havent even started feed on milk u are still in d womb. Where in the bible do you see that is it is required for us to ask mary and other apostles of Christ to pray or intercess for us ? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 10:25am On Feb 09, 2013 |
[quote author=italo]@ HerexG, You say God didn't honour Mary... ...Then you say "her honour is in heaven..." Who gave her the honour in heaven? God or satan?[/quot I'm sure she accepted Christ and His teachings so i'm assuming she is saved. She will sure be rewarded in eternity, if so and not the earthly honor some still give her here which is worthless. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 10:49am On Feb 09, 2013 |
@ HerexG, What kind of Christian are you. You never answer a question concisely and honestly. My question is: Who gave Mary the honour you say she has in heaven? God or satan? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by Lovethywilbedon: 10:51am On Feb 09, 2013 |
HerexG :Any reasonable human being can see that you are avoiding the truth. When we hail the people we love, we are honouring them, but when God Hailed Mary who He highly Loved Favored and "GRACED" (according to you) He is DISHONORING her. This is purely Illogical. The are many ways of honouring people. We can honour the people we love by respecting them, by thanking them, by praising them, by hailing, by blessing, by greeting, by showing them any form of respect. Mind you it is not only Catholics that honour Mary. Higher Church Anglicans and Moslems do honour Mary. I think your problem is in your understanding of the word "Honour". Okay, from Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary the verb form of the word honour(show respect) means "to do something that shows great respect for somebody or something". So *HerexG* I really want to understand the point you are try to make. Are you saying that Catholics should STOP honouring(ie "DOING ANYTHING THAT SHOWS GREAT RESPECT" to Mary the Mother of JESUS CHRIST our LORD and SAVIOUR. Please let me know if this is the point you are try to make so that I can access you level of reasoning. I mean your "THINKING FACULTY" |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 12:39pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
Lovethywilbedon: Any reasonable human being can see that you are avoiding the truth. When we hail the people we love, we are honouring them, but when God Hailed Mary who He highly Loved Favored and "GRACED" (according to you) He is DISHONORING her. This is purely Illogical. The are many ways of honouring people. We can honour the people we love by respecting them, by thanking them, by praising them, by hailing, by blessing, by greeting, by showing them any form of respect. Mind you it is not only Catholics that honour Mary. Higher Church Anglicans and Moslems do honour Mary. I think your problem is in your understanding of the word "Honour". Okay, from Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary the verb form of the word honour(show respect) means "to do something that shows great respect for somebody or something". So *HerexG* I really want to understand the point you are try to make. Are you saying that Catholics should STOP honouring(ie "DOING ANYTHING THAT SHOWS GREAT RESPECT" to Mary the Mother of JESUS CHRIST our LORD and SAVIOUR. Please let me know if this is the point you are try to make so that I can access you level of reasoning. I mean your "THINKING FACULTY" * Hahahahahaha don't make me laugh my dear, about accessing my IQ, you might get lost in the deep forest * Now about your question my dear, i wona make it clear to you that, all the rituals, adoration, honoring, magnification, bowing, praying to, you doing to mary is 100% unscriptural. You left what Christ asked us to do in Acts 1:8 and start doing otherwise. Christ never asked us to do such practices. All glory and honor to God |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by italo: 12:52pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
@ HerexG, Who gave Mary the honour you say she has in heaven? God or satan? |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by highyo: 1:42pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
HerexG : THE SO CALL QUEES OF HEAVEN AS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE IS A DEMON NO WONDER SHE ALWAYS STAND ON A SERPENT Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead [their] dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven,and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven,and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for [then] had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. Jeremiah 44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven,and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all [things], and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. Jeremiah 44:19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? Jeremiah 44:25 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.
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Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 2:16pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: oh u talking of deeds? Bringing christ to d world is d most noblest-est deed i know, infact by her "let it be" she made ur salvation posible. Oh and faith? Among d pipo d bible blessed 4 their faith is mary, do u know d verse dat says "blessed is she who believe dat d promised made to her will be fulfilled"? Haha, i think she beats ur record silly on both counts. Now try again. With or without her, my salvation is guaranteed. God can use anybody, anything at anytime, He can even raise stones to worship Him ok. The person behind you folks adore and worship it's not the true mary but the queen of heaven. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by HerexG(m): 2:48pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
italo: @ HerexG, * You need to be logical in unraveling the answer's i give, i give more reasons to ponder on what ever i write. * I'm sure the real mary is at rest in eternity and in God's fullness now but the person you folks adore and worship now is not the true mary. If Christ had wanted us to do this you folks do, He Himself would have given us instructions to . Now whose instruction are you obeying ? Let me digress a little It was recorded in the old testament that images were carved to appease God in the Holy tabernacle but there is no record in the new testament that Paul or the rest apostle carved an image of Christ or Mary to appease God. Instead Christ promised us a comforter in the person of the Holy spirit to help teach us what to do after He is gone. |
Re: The Queen Of Heaven by highyo: 2:57pm On Feb 09, 2013 |
HerexG : I BEG HELP ME YANRN THEM O MAKE THEY OPEN THEIR EYE WHEN THEY ARE STILL BREATHING BEFORE IT WILL BE TOO LATE THEM TO REPENT IN HELL O IF U WORSHIP MARY OR HER STATUS, YOU ARE LOST FOREVER. OR ELSE U REPENT 1 Like |
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