frosbel: Oh yes, we are under a curse because we do not pay tithes

Henry Morris, Ph.D , seems to be leading you into more error.

frosbel:

Oh yes, we are under a curse because we do not pay tithes

Henry Morris, Ph.D , seems to be leading you into more error.

OLAADEGBU:

I trust you to be attracted to this thread like a moth is attracted to fire.

OLAADEGBU: Tithes and Offerings
February 6, 2013.

"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Malachi 3:10).

Today there is much talk of financial security. The biblical formula in today’s verse, given to Israel, but applied to all, begins with a scathing indictment. "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings" (v. 8 ). What a terrible thing, to rob God. The result of their thievery, in God’s eyes: "Ye are cursed with a curse" (v. 9), such that their financial state was much worse than it would have been had they been obedient. This teaching and promise has not been rescinded (Luke 6:38; 1 Corinthians 16:2; etc.).

God’s charge to us as given in today’s verse is in three steps. First, we are told to obey; i.e., "bring ye." This cannot be considered an option. Secondly, God proposes a test. "Prove me," He says, give and see if He lives up to His promises. Thirdly, trust His promise to meet our needs.

Note that His promise is also threefold. It abundantly covers present needs, for He promises to "pour you out a blessing" unmeasurable in quality or quantity. Likewise, it covers the threat of future loss. "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field" (v. 11). Most precious is His promise to reward obedience and trust with a special relationship: "All nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land" (v. 12).

Thus we see that with less than 100 percent of our income at our disposal, we will have greater financial security than if we had kept it all to ourselves, thereby robbing God. JDM

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frosbel: Oh yes, we are under a curse because we do not pay tithes

Henry Morris, Ph.D , seems to be leading you into more error.

Preacher19:

So in the New Testament, the "tithe" is really all of your income and posessions!

Pastor Kun:

The rate at which some so called christians distort and add to scripture is really alarming

Preacher19:

That curse is far bigger than you think! In Mark 10:17-31, Jesus told the rich man to give away all of his belongings! Man has no right to be on the Earth at all, as man has failed the Lord allready (the instant Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden), and has proven himself again and again as a complete moral failure in the eyes of the Lord! So in the New Testament, the "tithe" is really all of your income and posessions!

frosbel:

of course

christemmbassey:

Verily, verily, i say unto you , he that entereth not by the door into th sheepfold, but climeth up some other way, THE SAME IS THIEF AND A ROBBER......,10.The thief cometh not but for to steal, and kill and to destroy......jn10:1-10(kjv), Question: who is the thief? Answer:false teabhers.

Goshen360:

^ Many Christians believes that passage of John you quoted was referring to the devil as the thief BUT ALAS, You're RIGHT - It was talking about FALSE TEACHERS. Well, For record purpose, I LOVE DR. HENRY MORRIS and also have his study Bible. He is sure a good bible teacher no doubt BUT like the Bereans, I have learned to subject EVERY BIBLE TEACHERS to SOUND DOCTRINE. I have learned to examine what is taught if it is truth hence I will swallow anything poison.

Goshen360:

On this subject of tithe and offering, Dr. Morris and brother Ola are missing it and I can subject them both to just two questions in order to test the truth of the doctrine of tithes and offerings. I hope our brother Ola will stay with his own thread when asked to explain the reasons for which he believes tithe and offering still apply to Christians today because I have just two simple questions that will nail this subject of tithe and offerings. Perhaps he will be set free from the tithe captives as well.

Goshen360:

@ Brother Ola, Can I ask just two questions please please. If it's more that two questions, please, do not answer the third one. Lemme know when you're ready sir. I don't want to start putting this article under the NT scriptural examination line-by-line. Thank you bro.

Pastor Kun:

Olaadegbu one would have thought that by now you would have repented and stop preaching this fraudulent doctrine but alas your love for filthy lucre and devotion to your mamon god would not let you. At least on the last day you can't claim you weren't taught the truth.

Preacher19:

That curse is far bigger than you think! In Mark 10:17-31, Jesus told the rich man to give away all of his belongings! Man has no right to be on the Earth at all, as man has failed the Lord allready (the instant Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden), and has proven himself again and again as a complete moral failure in the eyes of the Lord! So in the New Testament, the "tithe" is really all of your income and posessions!

christemmbassey:

war against stomach-inspired gospel is real, no hiding place for wolf in sheep clothes.

frosbel:

There is no curse for me, Jesus took it all away

OLAADEGBU:

Are you saved?

OLAADEGBU:

Haa! You are suggesting that they should give their all when they are already straining at a mere 10%? The moment they decide to give their all is the day they give their lives to the Lord. Some call Jesus their Saviour but He would not be allowed to be their Lord. A servant cannot say No, Lord!

OLAADEGBU:

For your information, the article wasn't written by Dr. Henry Morris you need to get your facts right. If you are wrong about the author what are the chances that you might be wrong about the subject?

OLAADEGBU:

Tithes and offerings are for the children of Israel and you don't have pay it unless you are saying that you are a child of Abraham, are you?

OLAADEGBU:

You don't need to question the Word of God. It is either you obey first before explanation or just disobey it and say that it does not speak to you. Chikena.

OLAADEGBU: Tithes and Offerings
February 6, 2013.

"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Malachi 3:10).

Today there is much talk of financial security. The biblical formula in today’s verse, given to Israel, but applied to all, begins with a scathing indictment. "Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings" (v. 8 ). What a terrible thing, to rob God. The result of their thievery, in God’s eyes: "Ye are cursed with a curse" (v. 9), such that their financial state was much worse than it would have been had they been obedient. This teaching and promise has not been rescinded (Luke 6:38; 1 Corinthians 16:2; etc.).

God’s charge to us as given in today’s verse is in three steps. First, we are told to obey; i.e., "bring ye." This cannot be considered an option. Secondly, God proposes a test. "Prove me," He says, give and see if He lives up to His promises. Thirdly, trust His promise to meet our needs.

Note that His promise is also threefold. It abundantly covers present needs, for He promises to "pour you out a blessing" unmeasurable in quality or quantity. Likewise, it covers the threat of future loss. "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field" (v. 11). Most precious is His promise to reward obedience and trust with a special relationship: "All nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land" (v. 12).

Thus we see that with less than 100 percent of our income at our disposal, we will have greater financial security than if we had kept it all to ourselves, thereby robbing God. JDM

For more . . . .

frosbel:

"Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver" - 2 Corinthians 9:7

"Tell the Israelites to bring me an offering. You are to receive the offering for me from each man whose heart prompts him to give." - Exodus 25:2

" For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have." - 2 Corinthians 8:12

" But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do will be spontaneous and not forced." - Philemon 1:14

^^^

I doubt if false teachers and their followers will interpret the beautiful scriptures above correctly , perhaps they might twist them to their own destruction.

frosbel:

It is a known fact that people give more and cheerfully so when there is no coercion involved.

frosbel:

God wants sincererity , if we give 1% fine, 100% fine, even 0.0001% is okay, if it is done cheerfully , this is what God prefers.

frosbel:

In fact God will accept 1% from a non-grudging heart than 100% from a grudging heart.

Now, if we quickly read 2 Corinthians 8:12 as quoted above, Paul explicitly explains to the Corinthians to give according to what they have and not what they do not have.

frosbel:

Yet , charlatans and their followers force widows, orphans and the poor to tithe 10% of their meager income plus offerings on top, when it is well known that this is to the detriment of their feeding and shelter.

Shame on them.

frosbel:

not according to the gospel of Deeperlife , but of course according to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

OLAADEGBU:


" . . . . Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living" (Mark 12:42-43).

You can see with Jesus' reaction to this poor widow's act of faith that God measures our giving by our motives and not by the amount we give or that we have remaining. It takes faith to give your all and that is what brings the blessing.

frosbel:

" For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what he does not have." - 2 Corinthians 8:12

" But I did not want to do anything without your consent, so that any favor you do will be spontaneous and not forced." - Philemon 1:14

What bible do you read !

ifeness:

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

OLAADEGBU:

You should learn from the example of the Macedonians who first of all give their ownselves to the Lord and in their deep poverty gave with joy to the ministry. Have you ever heard of Christian stewardship?

"And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God. Insomuch that we desired Titus, that he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also" (2 Corinthians 8:5-6).

This type of giving takes grace which comes by faith.