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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by RedLight1: 5:48pm On Feb 11, 2013
musiwa10: it was my idea.

Ogbomosho to ibadan dual road was my idea too.
undecided undecided
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Nobody: 6:00pm On Feb 11, 2013
Sibrah: Deserve means something bro, we deserve what our resource and labour can afford us and not just 'anything' that comes our way.
@Sibrag u can also see something and if ur don,t see gd reason to comment,just pass it. After 20 years the nigeria railway resumed work, i hv to give credit to the GEJ lead GOVERMENT.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Nobody: 6:02pm On Feb 11, 2013
Sibrah: Deserve means something bro, we deserve what our resource and labour can afford us and not just 'anything' that comes our way.
@Sibrah u can also see something and if ur don,t see gd reason to comment,just pass it. After 20 years the nigeria railway resumed work, i hv to give credit to the GEJ lead GOVERMENT.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Austinobisnr(m): 6:42pm On Feb 11, 2013
KokoBeware:

How long and how much..will it take to build the railway system we "deserve"?? I think what they did is the best move .. revamp the old one and when investors see how profitable and attractive it is.. they will come in...
Beside If ROME was built in a day am sure GEJ would have used the same engineers cos that will guarantee him re-election...
guy ur head dey dere. You sure speak my mind.
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by seyi42k(m): 6:44pm On Feb 11, 2013
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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by seyi42k(m): 6:45pm On Feb 11, 2013
This article is been eulogised now, I hope tomorrow when this same outfit brings up another unfavourable report you people will not turn back on them and start saying western agenda.

A Nigerian travelled from Kano to Lagos with horrible experiences and even interviewed other passengers and also took pictures. People are castigating him for telling us his experience and for saying it as he saw it. They are telling him to rejoice that he was even able to take a train at all. Well, why won't we tell him to rejoice, after all our nation has been trying to produce 6,000 mw of electricity, that Heathrow airport uses daily, all these years without much success after sinking billions of dollars.

Our collective psyche has been bullied into submission and that is why we will continue to manage and hail mediocrity. It was when my well-travelled bosses told me that Khartoum in Sudan (a desert mind you & at war) is far ahead of any city in Nigeria, that is when I knew we have celebrated this mediocrity for too long.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by agabaI23(m): 7:03pm On Feb 11, 2013
seyi42k: This article is been eulogised now, I hope tomorrow when this same outfit brings up another unfavourable report you people will not turn back on them and start saying western agenda.

A Nigerian travelled from Kano to Lagos with horrible experiences and even interviewed other passengers and also took pictures.

Our collective psyche has been bullied into submission and that is why we will continue to manage and hail mediocrity. It was when my well-travelled bosses told me that Khartoum in Sudan (a desert mind you & at war) is far ahead of any city in Nigeria, that is when I knew we have celebrated this mediocrity for too long.
But another said his boss now pays 80k for 19 containers as against 750k. Do You know what that can do to the price of cement? That's a whooping 89% reduction in transport cost. Hang on to your negativity. It won't hold Nigeria back.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Omexonomy: 7:20pm On Feb 11, 2013
agabaI23: But another said his boss now pays 80k for 19 containers as against 750k. Do You know what that can do to the price of cement? That's a whooping 89% reduction in transport cost. Hang on to your negativity. It won't hold Nigeria back.
I have being telling my boss all kind of story so as to get my own share of the 89% windfall. My boss has refuse to listen to me. He his telling me about reinvestment this and that which is non of my business.
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Omexonomy: 7:23pm On Feb 11, 2013
seyi42k: This article is been eulogised now, I hope tomorrow when this same outfit brings up another unfavourable report you people will not turn back on them and start saying western agenda.

A Nigerian travelled from Kano to Lagos with horrible experiences and even interviewed other passengers and also took pictures. People are castigating him for telling us his experience and for saying it as he saw it. They are telling him to rejoice that he was even able to take a train at all. Well, why won't we tell him to rejoice, after all our nation has been trying to produce 6,000 mw of electricity, that Heathrow airport uses daily, all these years without much success after sinking billions of dollars.

Our collective psyche has been bullied into submission and that is why we will continue to manage and hail mediocrity. It was when my well-travelled bosses told me that Khartoum in Sudan (a desert mind you & at war) is far ahead of any city in Nigeria, that is when I knew we have celebrated this mediocrity for too long.

who is that ur boos is it uncle fash or bro. Bola
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by fuke(m): 7:34pm On Feb 11, 2013
theshadyexpress:


BRAKES let out a deafening screech and steam fills the station as the Lagos-Kano train ends its 30-hour journey. Hundreds of passengers emerge wearily from brightly painted yellow, green and white carriages. It may be sweaty, crowded and very late, but after a ten-year absence this revamped link between Nigeria’s two biggest cities is a welcome relief. Travelling the 1,126km (700 miles) at an average speed of less than 50km an hour with endless stops, it is no wonder the trip takes so long. But for most Nigerians the low fares are worth it. A second-class ticket from Lagos to Kano costs around $12, roughly a quarter of the price of a more treacherous bus ride. “Hundreds of people were waiting at Ilorin [300km north of Lagos] but there wasn’t enough space for us all,” says a mother trying to appease a screaming child on her hip. “I had to stand the whole way.”

The service was relaunched last month after improvements costing $166m. Nigeria’s railways, started in 1898, have deteriorated in the past 20 years owing to those old engines of decay, corruption and mismanagement. Nigerians’ domestic travel options are limited. Most cannot afford to go by air, so take to the roads. Overfilled lorries, usually packed with dozens of passengers sitting on cargo, precariously negotiate crater-sized potholes. One stretch of road, nicknamed “Bauchi or Death”, after a northern state, is littered with overturned lorries and cars.

As well as being dangerous, Nigeria’s woeful transport network slows the economy. A rejuvenated rail network could unplug one of the biggest business bottlenecks. In the short run, freight trains are the priority. The cost of transporting goods on passenger trains is prohibitively expensive. “The charge is almost impossible,” complains Jibrin Bala, a cloth merchant. “On our way here, we had to transfer our goods onto buses.”

The success of the Lagos-Kano route, however slow, indicates the demand for a modern rail network. There are plans to invest in rehabilitating lines along the eastern corridor between Port Harcourt in the south and Maiduguri in the north-east. There is even talk of monorails in a couple of cities. As people scramble on board the new train, it is clear that the Nigerian Railway Corporation will be puffing hard to keep up with demand.

http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21571481-renovated-railway-line-welcome-more-are-still-sorely-needed-slow

Shameful and disgraceful.
This kind of second world war train should not be running in Nigeria in 2013.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Redoil: 7:40pm On Feb 11, 2013
seyi42k: This article is been eulogised now, I hope tomorrow when this same outfit brings up another unfavourable report you people will not turn back on them and start saying western agenda.

A Nigerian travelled from Kano to Lagos with horrible experiences and even interviewed other passengers and also took pictures. People are castigating him for telling us his experience and for saying it as he saw it. They are telling him to rejoice that he was even able to take a train at all. Well, why won't we tell him to rejoice, after all our nation has been trying to produce 6,000 mw of electricity, that Heathrow airport uses daily, all these years without much success after sinking billions of dollars.

Our collective psyche has been bullied into submission and that is why we will continue to manage and hail mediocrity. It was when my well-travelled bosses told me that Khartoum in Sudan (a desert mind you & at war) is far ahead of any city in Nigeria, that is when I knew we have celebrated this mediocrity for too long.
seyi42k: This article is been eulogised now, I hope tomorrow when this same outfit brings up another unfavourable report you people will not turn back on them and start saying western agenda.

A Nigerian travelled from Kano to Lagos with horrible experiences and even interviewed other passengers and also took pictures. People are castigating him for telling us his experience and for saying it as he saw it. They are telling him to rejoice that he was even able to take a train at all. Well, why won't we tell him to rejoice, after all our nation has been trying to produce 6,000 mw of electricity, that Heathrow airport uses daily, all these years without much success after sinking billions of dollars.

Our collective psyche has been bullied into submission and that is why we will continue to manage and hail mediocrity. It was when my well-travelled bosses told me that Khartoum in Sudan (a desert mind you & at war) is far ahead of any city in Nigeria, that is when I knew we have celebrated this mediocrity for too long.
seyi42k: This article is been eulogised now, I hope tomorrow when this same outfit brings up another unfavourable report you people will not turn back on them and start saying western agenda.

A Nigerian travelled from Kano to Lagos with horrible experiences and even interviewed other passengers and also took pictures. People are castigating him for telling us his experience and for saying it as he saw it. They are telling him to rejoice that he was even able to take a train at all. Well, why won't we tell him to rejoice, after all our nation has been trying to produce 6,000 mw of electricity, that Heathrow airport uses daily, all these years without much success after sinking billions of dollars.

Our collective psyche has been bullied into submission and that is why we will continue to manage and hail mediocrity. It was when my well-travelled bosses told me that Khartoum in Sudan (a desert mind you & at war) is far ahead of any city in Nigeria, that is when I knew we have celebrated this mediocrity for too long.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by jmoore(m): 8:09pm On Feb 11, 2013
Omexonomy:
my broder dont forget we are developing
my boss pays 80 thousand by rail as against 750thousand by road for 19 containners from lagos to kano and you are calling it trash.[color=#000000]

Don't mind them some people don't even travel to far places, they only see Nigeria through their TVs.
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by dustydee: 8:09pm On Feb 11, 2013
Anything worth doing is worth doing well.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by manny4life(m): 8:12pm On Feb 11, 2013
Well I guess that the FG shouldn't even have resuscitated this rail and let it further languish. Like seriously, that these old trains are used today, is a guarantee that better trains will be replaced over a few years (two/five years) down the road. Perhaps, FG may hands off to private investors and just lease the rail track on rental basis so that way, there's better improvement.
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by vandarsar(m): 8:27pm On Feb 11, 2013
I love "The Economist"
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by OluEmmaAss: 9:39pm On Feb 11, 2013
Safety is my only concern, a BH train attack will be catastrophic.
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Symphony007: 10:18pm On Feb 11, 2013
fuke:

Shameful and disgraceful.
This kind of second world war train should not be running in Nigeria in 2013.
then what will you say about some victorian steam trains being used in the u.k? Coal trains being from the lincoln presidency being used on the transcontinental railway? These trains are not steam or coal but engine proving their modern status. God help your cynical mind sir!!
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Revolva(m): 10:26pm On Feb 11, 2013
Can you imagine -- from lagos to port harcourt...the locomotive have to reach kaduna ...first..before heading back south..
Yeeppa!!! Who designed such routes!!!!
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Reference(m): 10:42pm On Feb 11, 2013
Revolva: Can you imagine -- from lagos to port harcourt...the locomotive have to reach kaduna ...first..before heading back south..
Yeeppa!!! Who designed such routes!!!!

Your colonial masters to ship your resources off to London, Amsterdam, Hamburg and Brussels. You abandoned it because your new found resources litter the coast to their delight.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Reference(m): 10:43pm On Feb 11, 2013
Revolva: Can you imagine -- from lagos to port harcourt...the locomotive have to reach kaduna ...first..before heading back south..
Yeeppa!!! Who designed such routes!!!!
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by dealordea(m): 11:32pm On Feb 11, 2013
I read the comment of people on here and I shake my head!!! Are we these daft that we don't even know what is right anymore!! After 20 years of collapse of the railway which was revive again by another thief in goverment and yet, you guys are happy that you could travel from kano to lagos for 30 hours and still comment that rome was not built in a day!!! You will get there one day Tell me, that one day, is it a curse or what, for you Nigerians? Abeg, no wonder Fela said, your goverment have told the whitemen that my people are useless... And yet we continue to act like useless insect...mtcheew.. The fourth generation of all your unborn children will suffer it.. Wake up from your slumber and stop shouting rome was not built in a day.. The slaves of the past are enjoying than you slaves of this modern life.. Fools

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by ballabriggs: 11:38pm On Feb 11, 2013
The service was relaunched last month after improvements costing $166m. Nigeria’s railways, started in 1898, have deteriorated in the past 20 years owing to those old engines of decay, corruption and mismanagement. Nigerians’ domestic travel options are limited. Most cannot afford to go by air, so take to the roads. Overfilled lorries, usually packed with dozens of passengers sitting on cargo, precariously negotiate crater-sized potholes. One stretch of road, nicknamed “Bauchi or Death”, after a northern state, is littered with overturned lorries and cars.


All what he listed above was what lead to the death of the trains and it is the same thing experienced by that brother on his train ride, nothing has changed. How do you spend so much money and what you get is a crap service that will ultimately lead to the death of the trains?

We talk of continuous improvement. If service today is similar to what obtained before the death of the trains in the late 1990s, then I'm afraid, that which killed it in the late 1990s will ultimately kill it today. I expect reasonable people to see his story as a first step in problem-solving as he has identified a problem and then work towards finding solutions and improving quality of service. However, what we have are people looking for who wants "to bring them down", pathetic!

And that is why I say privatize the trains and let the NRC focus on maintaining and building the rail tracks. Take the NRC away from the Ministry of Transport, let it run independently of that 'Alhaji Minister'. Let it run like a business, driving quality and continuous improvement of service. Quality should be at the center of everything within the NRC. It should be a language and there should be a 'taken-for-grantedness'.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Pharoh: 3:16am On Feb 12, 2013
There is already an extension planned for the rail system and you can see it in the map below. Also there is plan to develop HSR service and i will be posting the picture of that one also.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Pharoh: 3:30am On Feb 12, 2013
This is the picture showing the planned HSR service for Nigeria but i doubt if they will meet the 2015 target in the timeline.

Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by naptu2: 4:37am On Feb 12, 2013
manny4life:

Where will the money for HSR come from? Do yall know how much it will cost for HSR? How many private investors around the world do you see investing in HSR network? Abeg, HSR is super expensive and only very few govts are able to build such like Asian nations.

You'll be shocked to find out that there've been plans by private investors for a HSR link between Lagos and Abuja since the Obasanjo era, but it was blocked because of politics.

I believe a link between Lagos and Onitsha will also be profitable.

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Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by naptu2: 4:39am On Feb 12, 2013
Revolva: Can you imagine -- from lagos to port harcourt...the locomotive have to reach kaduna ...first..before heading back south..
Yeeppa!!! Who designed such routes!!!!

The colonial government was simply interested in getting groundnuts from Kano, Cocoa from the West, palm oil and coal from the East, etc to the ports for shipment to Europe.
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by cheikh: 4:40am On Feb 12, 2013
seyi42k
This article is been eulogised now, I hope tomorrow when this same outfit brings up another unfavourable report you people will not turn back on them and start saying western agenda.

A Nigerian travelled from Kano to Lagos with horrible experiences and even interviewed other passengers and also took pictures. People are castigating him for telling us his experience and for saying it as he saw it. They are telling him to rejoice that he was even able to take a train at all. Well, why won't we tell him to rejoice, after all our nation has been trying to produce 6,000 mw of electricity, that Heathrow airport uses daily, all these years without much success after sinking billions of dollars.

Our collective psyche has been bullied into submission and that is why we will continue to manage and hail mediocrity. It was when my well-travelled bosses told me that Khartoum in Sudan (a desert mind you & at war) is far ahead of any city in Nigeria, that is when I knew we have celebrated this mediocrity for too long.




Gbam!+1000. I can confirm your bosses' observation. Mediocrity and general lack of quality in many spheres of our life in Nigeria has damaged our collective psyche indeed. Anywhere corrosive Corruption is as pervasive and natural as it is in Nigeria, taken for granted/accepted, you are bound to expect a people coerced to celebrate/accept rubbish in the midst of plenty. The amount of money used to rehabilitate the rail is actually less than the unaccounted so called "security vote" of our erstwhile Governors undecided let alone that of the Presidency. The food budget is even larger than the rail rehab grin. Some of us may say half bread is better than none but that is not good enough in this day and age. wink . We must get a grip and see things in the right perspective not instinctively rejoice like demented freed prisoners and condemn those who refuse to accept mediocrity in whatever guise as the norm/standard.
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by jmslimx(m): 8:03am On Feb 12, 2013
Dont know what to say , i remember those days when my grandma and i travel from Jos to Umuahia... by rail ... corruption is the major and first Nigeria problem and we are all involved 1 way or the other ...we need to stand and fight this beast in our leaders and every day Nigeria life
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Nobody: 10:53am On Feb 12, 2013
Sibrah: Oga yelsew80 take am easy oh, you mean we should be celebrating this kind of service delivery when there is so much room for improvement? It is a positive thing in its self but then i think the trains should be used to support cargo movement and not humans. Nigerians deserve more irrespective of how many years we have been without trains and under who's govt we are experiencing the mini-revival of ous trains, afterall same fed govt is in charge of Fed inter-state roads and we all know the story.
And dat more will come in jst 2 years irrespectv of d colosal failure of many years and d inability of succesive govts 2 keep it woring let alone revitalise it. Haw many years did it take u 2 learn how 2 read and write and u didn't start using biro I guess. If u were d president, would u av done any beter wt d security challenges @ d moment. Get A Life
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Nobody: 11:03am On Feb 12, 2013
cheikh: seyi42k[/b]



Gbam!+1000. I can confirm your bosses' observation. Mediocrity and general lack of quality in many spheres of our life in Nigeria has damaged our collective psyche indeed. Anywhere corrosive Corruption is as pervasive and natural as it is in Nigeria, taken for granted/accepted, you are bound to expect a people coerced to celebrate/accept rubbish in the midst of plenty. The amount of money used to rehabilitate the rail is actually less than the unaccounted so called "security vote" of our erstwhile Governors undecided let alone that of the Presidency. The food budget is even larger than the rail rehab grin. Some of us may say half bread is better than none but that is not good enough in this day and age. wink . We must get a grip and see things in the right perspective not instinctively rejoice like demented freed prisoners and condemn those who refuse to accept mediocrity in whatever guise as the norm/standard.
No one is celebrating mediocrity. Naw tell me who can perform d magic of revitalising our rail system wt d wand u xpect. Dat can only be @ d xpense of other aspects of d economy and Infrastructure. All of u here playing holier dan thou, memebers of ur immediate and Xtended family contributed 2 ds in one way or the other. U celebrate rubish in d midst of plenty wen dat rubish is somtin compared 2 the no rubish @ all. The economics say therz room 4 improvement. U people shuld stop ranting like d mad man who complaind dat GEJ hs done notyn becos he did not put air condition on d streets..
Re: 'The Economist' Testimony On Nigeria's New Trains by Nobody: 11:18am On Feb 12, 2013
ballabriggs:


All what he listed above was what lead to the death of the trains and it is the same thing experienced by that brother on his train ride, nothing has changed. How do you spend so much money and what you get is a crap service that will ultimately lead to the death of the trains?

We talk of continuous improvement. If service today is similar to what obtained before the death of the trains in the late 1990s, then I'm afraid, that which killed it in the late 1990s will ultimately kill it today. I expect reasonable people to see his story as a first step in problem-solving as he has identified a problem and then work towards finding solutions and improving quality of service. However, what we have are people looking for who wants "to bring them down", pathetic!

And that is why I say privatize the trains and let the NRC focus on maintaining and building the rail tracks. Take the NRC away from the Ministry of Transport, let it run independently of that 'Alhaji Minister'. Let it run like a business, driving quality and continuous improvement of service. Quality should be at the center of everything within the NRC. It should be a language and there should be a 'taken-for-grantedness'.
So if ur an investor, u wil invest in a rail system dat has been in comatoes 4 years wtout any intervention by govt. Can't u see dt in life, certain developments are a natural consequence of ur actions and inactions. If the govt failed 2 intervene ova the years and this govt has done xo, u reaally xpect 2 see a rail transport as good as the metro rail transport in wht jst started working after yers of neglect.. Y are we nigerians like ds..!

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