Joagbaje:

No rather ask jesus.

Matthew 7:7
7 “ Ask, and it will be given to you. .

wordthots:

Contentment has lost its place in our times. Now every christian wants to be a millionaire, but there's no such promise in the bible. Nowadays christians are decieved into doing all sorts of stuff (eg sow a certain amount to destroy poverty)
We 've put so much emphasis on the temporal, forgetting that there's so much more.
The order is seek first his kingdom and other things will be added. When we follow after God, he makes provisin for our needs to be met and bills paid ( not necessarily in millions)

Years back when preaching I used to present the gospel in a certain way. "If you have jesus you will never know poverty, sickness and you will live long". I tried using the prosperity aspect as a selling point for the gospel. How ignorant I was...
I recently read in the papers about a certain man hugh hefner (owner of playboy- a mag dat promotes immorality) and was amazed. The guy is rich, healthy and very old, and he is far from being saved (without judging its obvious). There are many pagans, atheists etc just like him.
You don't have to be a christian to be innovative and standout, I mean that's clear in our world today; an example is Japan, which has more idol worshippers than christians yet it has a good economy and it is very innovative.

The richest men in the world are atheists, buddhists and pagans not christians.
My point; there's so much more to christianity...

truthislight:

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these other things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).

Going by this instruction, What then should we ask for first?

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: " (Matthew 7:7).
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Material prosperity?

How can?

Na wao!

Joagbaje:

So did I say otherwise? The bible is clear on that

3Jo 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
(KJV)


The problem we are facing here is some folks telling us prosprrity is not for Christians .or it is materialism

OLAADEGBU:

You are missing the point here. No one is saying that prosperity is not for Christians. What we are stressing is that the so called "prosperity gospel" is at the expense of people's spiritual lives.

OLAADEGBU:

You are missing the point here. No one is saying that prosperity is not for Christians. What we are stressing is that the so called "prosperity gospel" is at the expense of people's spiritual lives.

Joagbaje:

Maybe I don't understand your definition of prosperity Gospel.maybe a case study will do the job. My understanding is that the gospel is prosperity both Spiritually and otherwise..it is living a life of dominion over sickness , Sin, Poverty etc. a total well being .

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

If I tell Christians to take a stand by faith against poverty and sickness For example .In what way does it affect their soul. Prosperity Is not about money it's about functioning in the fullness of life that christ brought to us through his death. , its about renewal of mind into inheritance in christ. Domininion over sickness ,sin,poverty,and every evil work of satan in their lives.

Every preacher have a God given reason for his message. If a pastor teach on marital bliss does it mean he has missed God. Or he is in error. Most of the time when someone hears prosperity he thinks its about money. Money it's only a part, if a man is suffering in his prayer life ,that's not prosperity. If a christian is unproductive in ministry that's not prosperity . If christian is suffering in penury that's not prosperity. If a man is bound by a bad habit or drug abuse that's certainly not prosperity. It's a total message. If we criticize one part we condemn the rest . We must function in all the will of God.

It's a pastor that knows the problem of his congregation and that shoes in his messages. And seminars. Ether is prayer conference , evangelism seminar. Marriage seminar . Healing programes. Single seminar or finance or business seminar. But to now condemn one aspect at the expense of another is not justified.

wordthots: I recently realized that even Kenneth Hagin snr of blessed memory (considered father of the prosperity gospel) tried correcting many distortions before going to be with the Lord
Check below:

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/churchandministry/Grady_Hagan_Prosperity.aspx

Hagin taught that God was not glorified by poverty and that preachers do not have to be poor. But before he died in 2003 and left his Rhema Bible Training Center in the hands of his son, Kenneth Hagin Jr., he summoned many of his colleagues to Tulsa to rebuke them for distorting his message. He was not happy that some of his followers were manipulating the Bible to support what he viewed as greed and selfish indulgence.

Those who were close to Hagin Sr. say he was passionate about correcting these abuses before he died. In fact, he wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns. The Midas Touch was published in 2000, a year after the infamous Tulsa meeting.

Many Word-Faith ministers ignored the book. But in light of the recent controversy over prosperity doctrines, it might be a good idea to dust it off and read it again.

Here are a few of the points Hagin made in The Midas Touch:

1. Financial prosperity is not a sign of God’s blessing. Hagin wrote: “If wealth alone were a sign of spirituality, then drug traffickers and crime bosses would be spiritual giants. Material wealth can be connected to the blessings of God or it can be totally disconnected from the blessings of God.”

2. People should never give in order to get. Hagin was critical of those who “try to make the offering plate some kind of heavenly vending machine.” He denounced those who link giving to getting, especially those who give cars to get new cars or who give suits to get new suits. He wrote: “There is no spiritual formula to sow a Ford and reap a Mercedes.”

3. It is not biblical to “name your seed” in an offering. Hagin was horrified by this practice, which was popularized in faith conferences during the 1980s. Faith preachers sometimes tell donors that when they give in an offering they should claim a specific benefit to get a blessing in return. Hagin rejected this idea and said that focusing on what you are going to receive “corrupts the very attitude of our giving nature.”

4. The “hundredfold return” is not a biblical concept. Hagin did the math and figured out that if this bizarre notion were true, “we would have Christians walking around with not billions or trillions of dollars, but quadrillions of dollars!” He rejected the popular teaching that a believer should claim a specific monetary payback rate.

5. Preachers who claim to have a “debt-breaking” anointing should not be trusted. Hagin was perplexed by ministers who promise “supernatural debt cancellation” to those who give in certain offerings. He wrote in The Midas Touch: “There is not one bit of Scripture I know about that validates such a practice. I’m afraid it is simply a scheme to raise money for the preacher, and ultimately it can turn out to be dangerous and destructive for all involved.”

(Many evangelists who appear on Christian television today use this bogus claim. Usually they insist that the miraculous debt cancellation will occur only if a person “gives right now,” as if the anointing for this miracle suddenly evaporates after the prime time viewing hour. This manipulative claim is more akin to witchcraft than Christian belief.)

Hagin condemned other hairbrained gimmicks designed to trick audiences into emptying their wallets. He was especially incensed when a preacher told his radio listeners that he would take their prayer requests to Jesus’ empty tomb in Jerusalem and pray over them there—if donors included a special love gift. “What that radio preacher really wanted was more people to send in offerings,” Hagin wrote.

OLAADEGBU:

I guess the WOF movement totally ignored this message because if they did they wouldn't be propagating the prosperity gospel that they do now. This is to show that many folks are only in the gospel for what they can gain out of it, and in this case, financial prosperity .

Pastor Kun:

Is the bolded not the same reason you keep hammering on the fraudulent tithe doctrine even though you know clearly in your heart that it is a twisted doctrine designed to extort money from believers on a consistent basis Is it not the financial gain you make from it that encourages you to continually twist scripture to justify it? Bloody hypocrite

Joagbaje:

Maybe I don't understand your definition of prosperity Gospel.maybe a case study will do the job. My understanding is that the gospel is prosperity both Spiritually and otherwise..it is living a life of dominion over sickness , Sin, Poverty etc. a total well being .

Joagbaje:

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

If I tell Christians to take a stand by faith against poverty and sickness For example .In what way does it affect their soul. Prosperity Is not about money it's about functioning in the fullness of life that christ brought to us through his death. , its about renewal of mind into inheritance in christ. Domininion over sickness ,sin,poverty,and every evil work of satan in their lives.

Joagbaje:

Every preacher have a God given reason for his message. If a pastor teach on marital bliss does it mean he has missed God. Or he is in error. Most of the time when someone hears prosperity he thinks its about money. Money it's only a part, if a man is suffering in his prayer life ,that's not prosperity. If a christian is unproductive in ministry that's not prosperity . If christian is suffering in penury that's not prosperity. If a man is bound by a bad habit or drug abuse that's certainly not prosperity. It's a total message. If we criticize one part we condemn the rest . We must function in all the will of God.

It is sad to see so many modern "Christian" movements promoting what might be called a "prosperity cult," teaching that "gain is godliness." Stressing "positive mental attitude," "self-help," "creative visualization," and various other supposed spiritual psychotherapies, these modern false teachers and their affluent life styles have deluded multitudes of coveting Christians into thinking they have some sort of divine right to material prosperity.

Joagbaje:

It's a pastor that knows the problem of his congregation and that shoes in his messages. And seminars. Ether is prayer conference , evangelism seminar. Marriage seminar . Healing programes. Single seminar or finance or business seminar. But to now condemn one aspect at the expense of another is not justified.

brainpulse:

^^^ God Bless you bros...

Joagbaje:

Maybe I don't understand your definition of prosperity Gospel.maybe a case study will do the job. My understanding is that the gospel is prosperity both Spiritually and otherwise..it is living a life of dominion over sickness , Sin, Poverty etc. a total well being .

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

If I tell Christians to take a stand by faith against poverty and sickness For example .In what way does it affect their soul. Prosperity Is not about money it's about functioning in the fullness of life that christ brought to us through his death. , its about renewal of mind into inheritance in christ. Domininion over sickness ,sin,poverty,and every evil work of satan in their lives.

Every preacher have a God given reason for his message. If a pastor teach on marital bliss does it mean he has missed God. Or he is in error. Most of the time when someone hears prosperity he thinks its about money. Money it's only a part, if a man is suffering in his prayer life ,that's not prosperity. If a christian is unproductive in ministry that's not prosperity . If christian is suffering in penury that's not prosperity. If a man is bound by a bad habit or drug abuse that's certainly not prosperity. It's a total message. If we criticize one part we condemn the rest . We must function in all the will of God.

It's a pastor that knows the problem of his congregation and that shoes in his messages. And seminars. Ether is prayer conference , evangelism seminar. Marriage seminar . Healing programes. Single seminar or finance or business seminar. But to now condemn one aspect at the expense of another is not justified.

The 3 John 2 that you quoted here says that the Lord wishes above all things that we prosper and be in health even as our souls prospers. The so called prosperity preaching emphasises on the prosperity bit of it and leave that aspect that talk about the prosperity of our souls. A lot os souls are wallowing in sins and are running for materials prosperity. There souls so not have any touch with the master Jesus; they are only looking for someone that will teach them how to cut corners and make wealth by all means, even if it will be to defraud even the church members.
Do you know that unbelievers come into this so called churches and leave with no encounter of salvation, the so called born aganin in their midst are nothing to write home about. It is time we share the word of God with the sincerre truth and forget about what men said. We love to quote what our so called Men of God said without quoting any scripture to back it up. They mis-quote Jeol 3:10 by adding 'Let's the poor says I am rich' even though this is not written any where in the Bible.

WAP:

The 3 John 2 that you quoted here says that the Lord wishes above all things that we prosper and be in health even as our souls prospers. The so called prosperity preaching emphasises on the prosperity bit of it and leave that aspect that talk about the prosperity of our souls. A lot os souls are wallowing in sins and are running for materials prosperity. There souls so not have any touch with the master Jesus; they are only looking for someone that will teach them how to cut corners and make wealth by all means, even if it will be to defraud even the church members.
Do you know that unbelievers come into this so called churches and leave with no encounter of salvation, the so called born aganin in their midst are nothing to write home about. It is time we share the word of God with the sincerre truth and forget about what men said. We love to quote what our so called Men of God said without quoting any scripture to back it up. They mis-quote Jeol 3:10 by adding 'Let's the poor says I am rich' even though this is not written any where in the Bible.

OLAADEGBU:
No one is saying that you can't teach or preach on financial prosperity

, what we are saying is that the full gospel should be preached and lived not just the parts we feel we need at the expense of out souls.

truthislight: Whose followers are christian?

Whose examples are christians suppose to follow?

If it is Jesus christ, then this is what Jesus christ preaching was about:

1. "And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. " (Luke 4:43).

2. "And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him," (Luke 8:1).

3. "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. " (Matthew 24:14).

"And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. " (Mark 1:15).

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Well, that is the foundation that i have seen that Jesus himself laid, can another foundation be said to be of Jesus?

Well, Judged for yourselves.

Well, i hope we will not end up rewarding ourselves for not following christ example.

Joagbaje:

Whatever thst means . I follow the bible

Joagbaje:

What is copy and paste , in bible quotation?

wordthots:

Contentment has lost its place in our times. Now every christian wants to be a millionaire, but there's no such promise in the bible. Nowadays christians are decieved into doing all sorts of stuff (eg sow a certain amount to destroy poverty)
We 've put so much emphasis on the temporal, forgetting that there's so much more.
The order is seek first his kingdom and other things will be added. When we follow after God, he makes provisin for our needs to be met and bills paid ( not necessarily in millions)

Years back when preaching I used to present the gospel in a certain way. "If you have jesus you will never know poverty, sickness and you will live long". I tried using the prosperity aspect as a selling point for the gospel. How ignorant I was...
I recently read in the papers about a certain man hugh hefner (owner of playboy- a mag dat promotes immorality) and was amazed. The guy is rich, healthy and very old, and he is far from being saved (without judging its obvious). There are many pagans, atheists etc just like him.
You don't have to be a christian to be innovative and standout, I mean that's clear in our world today; an example is Japan, which has more idol worshippers than christians yet it has a good economy and it is very innovative.

The richest men in the world are atheists, buddhists and pagans not christians.
My point; there's so much more to christianity...