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Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by malabite3: 5:44pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
aduboy: Tinubu is a better leader any day. You judge by the person he handed over power to after his reign as governor. Obj is just a strong man but not a good leader. One thing that confirmed that is handing over power to Yardua and the third term agenda. The reason why Orji Uzo Kalu is also a bad leader. Tinubu is a rare gift to a people and am happy that his people recognise that. I strongly disagree ώį̸̸̨ƭƕ you. Tinubu single handedly hand picked all the contestants ΐϞ the last election.wht kind of signal απϑ message did he send by that singular act? That goes a long way τ̅☺ tell you that if tinubu Iڪ given a presidential power,the whole of Nigeria will be pocketed by him 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by malabite3: 5:48pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
jas_o: Your knowledge Iڪ §ø half baked 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by talktimi(m): 6:17pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Someone actually said Tinubu's 60th birthday owambe party shookt the entire country. I no fit laugh abeg |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by justmythought: 6:46pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Oh! thanks for the lucid contribution. I am indeed encouraged knowing critical minds like yours do exist. Now, back to the debate. If I can attempt to reason your point, you are saying as a political office holder, you manage what you've signed up to and yes this is true. But bear in mind we are talking here of Micro vs Macro management. while the state is responsible for managing a segment of a country(Tinubu here), of what use would this be if at the strategic level (FGN..OBJ) the macro economic indices are weak? As a manager and leader, Obj through the office of NOI rebased the economy, ending fluctuations in our macroeconomic variables which in turn make it viable for a Tinubu to access developmental funds from international institutions like the IMF etc (Before the IGR drives kicked off). I would also point to national unity and security. Absent the leadership experience of an OBJ, although with reservations in select decisions, I strongly doubt any person would have achieved same,in this regard he did well and I will like to believe he meant well(personal opinion!). Going to your statement regarding Obj being responsible for a set of legislators(upper and lower), as a matter of fact they are representatives of their constituents, albeit in Nigeria at the moment they represent governors interests and maybe king makers(SAD). What this simply means is, managing a more diverse set of interests from a wide array of geographies. I doubt Tinubu's leadership skills can pull that off, even as we speak, otherwise the much anticipated merger might not have been necessary. About state projects vs national projects, please ask yourself, how easy is it to pass a national budget compared to a state budget? these answers might explain the expedient nature of state projects in Nigeria. The footprint laid by Tinubu is what Fashola(Governor extraordinaire) is implementing to our amazement and joy. they share a common goal with a common "heritage". An Obj had a choice to leave for an IBB to recalibrate or a yaradua to follow through. So please my brother, If you live in Nigeria's gated community, you would know better that its a bigger task to lead a landlords association than a compound. Holding forth with my views, OBJ Anyday!!! naptu2: 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by naptu2: 7:17pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
justmythought: Oh! thanks for the lucid contribution. I am indeed encouraged knowing critical minds like yours do exist. Now, back to the debate. If I can attempt to reason your point, you are saying as a political office holder, you manage what you've signed up to and yes this is true. But bear in mind we are talking here of Micro vs Macro management. while the state is responsible for managing a segment of a country(Tinubu here), of what use would this be if at the strategic level (FGN..OBJ) the macro economic indices are weak? Finally, you did what I wanted you to do, which is to complete the table of their achievements. However, with regard to your analogy, it's much easier to lead an association of landlords, where the members are reasonable and gentlemanly characters, than it is to lead a compound of quarrelsome and disagreeable characters. I would also encourage you to read the constitution, particularly the exclusive, concurrent and residual lists. |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by justmythought: 7:38pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
If it were from the constitutions' perspective, we might not need to thread these lines to assess achievements of leaders. you seem to know more about these and thus, should know better. naptu2: 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by juman(m): 7:45pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Asiwaju Tinubu is better leader. OBJ = power miss road. |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by Gbawe: 7:58pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
justmythought: Oh! thanks for the lucid contribution. I am indeed encouraged knowing critical minds like yours do exist. Now, back to the debate. If I can attempt to reason your point, you are saying as a political office holder, you manage what you've signed up to and yes this is true. But bear in mind we are talking here of Micro vs Macro management. while the state is responsible for managing a segment of a country(Tinubu here), of what use would this be if at the strategic level (FGN..OBJ) the macro economic indices are weak? The critical flaw in your argument is that you dock scores for Tinubu relating to a non-existent scorecard. Tinubu has never been President of Nigeria and there is no way, if equitable in outlook, you will ever say with certainty that he would not have performed as well as or even far better than OBJ. It is therefore patently unfair to grant OBJ a win because of his leadership using tools of office Tinubu never had. Likewise, OBJ has not been a Governor so it is pointless maligning him negatively in comparison to Tinubu in that regard. Vitali Klitscho may have been in a position where he knocked out very big opponents but does that make him a better pugilist, in the purist sense, than Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao? For the sake of argument using empirically effective judging parameters, why not simply compare their leadership using an area they can both be judged directly alongside each other? Why not look at them as Party leaders with the duty of positioning their Party as efficiently as possible in the same region? Look at their activities over time in perhaps the only role they can be compared like for like and it will be crystal clear OBJ is not close to Tinubu in terms of leadership skills and natural ability. 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by SIRCONFIDENCE(m): 8:01pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
OBJ the OGA NLA of Nigeria 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by Obstey01: 8:20pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Sapphire86: There is no comparison. Its lyk comparing Harvard n UNILAG; Obama n Jonathan.You've said it all. You guys are just manifesting ur personal hatred 4 OBJ here. haba! OBJ to Tinubu?? |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by Nobody: 8:32pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
aduboy: Tinubu is a better leader any day. You judge by the person he handed over power to after his reign as governor.hmm.so you mean tinubu selected the leader after him.there was no election? 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by mkoabiola: 8:47pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Ds is d most fookish question of d century. Ask a primary school pupil,he will spit on ur face. |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by mindyourword: 8:47pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
THEY ARE INCOMPARABLE, LET TINUBU GO TO PRISON AND COME BACK, LET HIM JOIN NIGERIAN ARMY, LET HIM PLAN COUP AND BE SUCCESSFUL, LET HIM HAND OVER MILLITARY GOVERNMENT TO THE CIVILIAN, LET HIM GO TO SCHOOL OF JUMATU AL ISLAM SCHOOL OF MISSIONARY AND LET HIM RULE THIS COUNTRY BEFORE WE START COMPARISM. TINUBU IS MILLITANT BUT NOT MORE THAN OBJ. LET TINUBU GET TO 80YEARS OLD BEFORE THE COMPARISM.MY PEOPLE THE ANTECEDENT OF OBJ OVERWHELM TINUBU'S ANTECEDENT. 2 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by babyphaze07(m): 9:20pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Tinubu is a child to Obj now. Tinubu is a regional leader who has lost his ground in Ekiti, Ondo. He does not have a say in north neither in d East. Yoruba dont appreciate Obj but is a respected man here in SE and SS. Obj is a respected man all over the world, Tinubu will never match his status. 1 Like |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by justmythought: 9:57pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Gbawe: Another great view! Am getting increasingly excited about the future of Nigeria. For the record, have maintained my argument or counter within context. It would be a plus if you have followed the trail. For the sake of argument however, let us first explore the concept of leadership. Leadership has been described as “a process of social influence in which one person can enlist the aid and support of others in the accomplishment of a common task"(Chemers M. 1997). The leader may or may not have any formal authority. Studies of leadership have produced theories involving traits--situational interaction, function, behavior, power, vision and values, charisma, and intelligence, among others. Somebody whom people follow: somebody who guides or directs others. (Locke et al 1991). In the light of an equitable scorecard, lets isolate the following: Situational interaction function behavior vision and values charisma intelligence moving on... Participative or democratic style The democratic leadership style consists of the leader sharing the decision-making abilities with group members by promoting the interests of the group members and by practicing social equality(wiki) Autocratic or authoritarian style Under the autocratic leadership style, all decision-making powers are centralized in the leader, as with dictators. Engaging style These initiatives do for the organization is engage both leaders and employees in understanding the existing conditions and how they can collectively assist in addressing them. Autocratic or authoritarian style Under the autocratic leadership style, all decision-making powers are centralized in the leader, as with dictators.(wiki) Transactional and transformational(Eric Berne, ISBN 0-345-28473-9) The transactional leader is given power to perform certain tasks and reward or punish for the team's performance. It gives the opportunity to the manager to lead the group and the group agrees to follow his lead to accomplish a predetermined goal in exchange for something else. Mr(s) gbawe have identified these leadership characteristics, let score them on the scale of one to ten. no ambiguity any more. hopefully we can identify the better leader. |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by ekwerendi(m): 10:00pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Obj ofcourse ....him no get match |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by Ayoakinkahunsi(m): 10:19pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Must we all be led by the blindness of the few who had failed to diffrenciate between right and wrong. Check ur enphyclopedea read something about nigeria,come back and share your experience |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by badassnigga(m): 10:21pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Gbongbonosi: its only fooled will may answer your question dude, am gonna throw a fukin dictionary at ur face |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by honprof1(m): 1:13am On Feb 23, 2013 |
jas_o: When you talk of leader it has to go with quality of the person in the sphere of deliverables. I hardlty write here cos of my busy time , Sir, u need to look around well to know that Tinubu is the worstin d world...I know him better than how his PA knows so try to know him.... Talking about corruption,is common among them all, Tinubu sources for money at detriment of Lagosian's Life , |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by honprof1(m): 1:14am On Feb 23, 2013 |
jas_o: When you talk of leader it has to go with quality of the person in the sphere of deliverables. I hardlty write here cos of my busy time , Sir, u need to look around well to know that Tinubu is the worstin d world...I know him better than how his PA knows so try to know him.... Talking about corruption,is common among them all, Tinubu sources for money at detriment of Lagosian's Life , |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by frederal(m): 2:17am On Feb 23, 2013 |
both are thieves, no leadership traits or do u mean leadership in looting-both has shown exemplary leadership. |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by EkoIle1: 5:08am On Feb 23, 2013 |
malabite3: Unfortunately for you, the folks Tinubu picked are the best performing governors in Nigeria and the one he picked to succeed him is the best governor in Nigeria. Nigeria is a very corrupt country so when you open up the primary process, the candidate with the deepest pocket full of money to bribe his way to the top is going to be the winner and not the best man for the job. For now, picking the best candidates within the party remains the best option based on our realities in Nigeria. What did you get with GEJ and his party with their primary charade? A show of shame and embarrassment with incompetent PDP president and governors all over the country. Set aside your hatred my friend, Tinubu is a wise man. Producing the best and the most competent civil servant in Nigeria and Liberating the whole of SW and producing competent people to run the SW is not an easy task. 2 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by Benjoh(m): 5:25am On Feb 23, 2013 |
SHOLYMENT: Aahhh, mediocrity at its peak, obj never had respect for thugs...its Tinubus specialization, he embrace thugeries and even fiance them during his tenure as lagos gov...this has bin one reasons he had dispute with fashola...moreover, his political career was even built on political pandemonium. He has enslave part of southwest and only ondo state rejected his stupid offer...do u knw he is now Cahncelor in Lautech? What a mirrage? Am sorry for southwestImagine what you are saying that Obasanjo never had respect for thugs but he can go and lie down for Ibadan chief of Thugs,where did u get ur findings self can't see what is happening in the south west? Obasanjo can not win election in his ward not to talk of his constituency,all those Obasanjo followers are now regretting e.g Olagunsoye Oyinlola a just sacked national deputy chairman and also Former Molested Gov.of Ekiti state,Segun Oni also sacked from the PDP national secretary. Had it been Obasanjo is a good leader can these be happening to his followers?he would have been respected by all PDP members but the opposite. Tinubu people floods south west and all are averagely doing well and same time sing praise on Tinubu,Offspring of Tinubu are;Fashola,Ajiomobi,Aregbesola,Oshiomole,e.t.c. Ok tell me people that Obasanjo introduce to us that does well. Tinubu is far better Leader down Obasajo pls. 2 Likes |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by Yoola2007(m): 7:43am On Feb 23, 2013 |
naptu2: Complete the following: You seems to be partial in this your submission .....what about 1) Banking Reforms 2) Payment of outstanding World bank Loan 3) Use of square peg in a square hole for the first time in Nigeria History at the federal executive council level ....it will highly be unfair to compare both leaders even in south west OBASANJO is still more respected and appreciated than TINUBU that has been trying hard to undermine Awolowo dynasty in Yorubaland. |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by smemud(m): 7:54am On Feb 23, 2013 |
chucky234: You cant point something good to OBJ? Did I hear that well,you must be a chronic goon to have said that.mumu |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by Gbawe: 8:23am On Feb 23, 2013 |
Yoola2007: With all due respect, are you talking about the "Yorubaland" geographically located in the South-Western part of Nigeria or the one on Planet Mars? Because only the latter can accommodate the incredibly unbelievable and ludicrously false statement you make below. In your view, a people "appreciate" a leader by booting his daughter out of office and rejecting his 'anointed' everywhere? Na wa sha for the sentimentality of Nigerians. OBASANJO is still more respected and appreciated than TINUBU that has been trying hard to undermine Awolowo dynasty in Yorubaland. |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by dnext1(m): 9:35am On Feb 23, 2013 |
mindyourword: THEY ARE INCOMPARABLE, LET TINUBU GO TO PRISON AND COME BACK, LET HIM Thanks and may God increase u in wisdom and understanding. You just drop it like i should. |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by dnext1(m): 9:36am On Feb 23, 2013 |
mindyourword: THEY ARE INCOMPARABLE, LET TINUBU GO TO PRISON AND COME BACK, LET HIM |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by lateef4me(m): 11:39am On Feb 23, 2013 |
We've got to give it to Tinubu though he's more corrupt SYSTEMATICALLY than OBJ... |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by nwabumalyahoo: 11:48am On Feb 23, 2013 |
is a pity that after 50yrs of independence we are yet to have true Leaders. the 2 are just nothing but corrupt leaders |
Re: Obasanjo And Tinubu: Who Is A Better Leader? by segxyrema: 12:33pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
If u want to compare leaders not obj with tinubu. As worst as GEJ is today u can't compare him with tinubu Pls next time line tinubu with Ngige,dora akiyuli,ayo fayose etc |
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