Trac: @ Ikenna


I will never state anything that I cannot defend or conclusively explain.

How does one become a theoretical engineer? Break it down, for I need to learn. I guess you are the practical one. Do you know the definition of an engineer? To save you an explanation, there is a big difference between a person that has mechanical aptitude and is analytical as oppose to the one that googled all he knows. Maybe you haven't figured it out, I am very much into high performance racing than you can quantify. I do not speak "kitchen-sink" rhetoric. It is not my philosophy to delve into something I do not understand and begin executing functions. There is more to automotive than you think or might ever come across (and if you do, you will not understand it). This is because the engineering is an applied form of the modern and complex solution-tools are used with little room for error. Believe me, there is nothing theoretical about being an engineer. There can be no manifestation of anything without a fundamental principal behind it. This way, you can control your product.

You don't know what I drive and how fast they are. You only know one of the cars I know well but the experience of that was gotten many years ago. I am not proud like you neither do I oppress with what I have nor display to the world what I have. This is in my personal life; plus I teach and impart knowledge and skill to others in manners they'll understand without sacrificing the core.

I will mildly explain but will not base anything on opinions. Put google away because it has nothing to do with what is in discussion. Logic and analytics is where reasoning will emanate from.

All you have written is mainstream perception with no science. All you buttress is linear acceleration and it is poorly put together. In automotive, you have commercial principles and you have the engineering principles (subsidiary). Your view of the modern vehicle is based upon journalism and people-repetition.

The car you have stated in reference is in two categories:
1. It is NOT fast.
2. It offers absolutely NO performance.

I will state it again; just in case you missed it. It is not fast neither does it offer any kind of performance. Not fast - no performance! It is also NOT a high performance car and was not intended to. It is a slow car and in my standards, a very slow one. Looking at the vehicle's recipe, it is unimpressive to me. One doesn't need to work at Peugeot to know what the engineers had in mind when you have a trained mind. I still wonder how you drew more than once that I am a theorist in performance when you are yet to have a moderately quick car.

Your problem relies upon the fact that you don't know the definition of performance neither do you understand the concepts of performance.

It is not my intention to teach you or make explanations in details but I will faintly touch on what I want to make emphases on. Nothing will do if it does not sink. I will not openly display knowledge nor explicitly state concepts here.

When performance is spoken about, analytical data will portray instantaneous vector velocities. This singular statement has made everything you wrote as illogical.

I will break it [down] for you.

What is meant? In layman terms, it is the isolated tangent velocities through twisty corners (including the mild corners) and velocities in the straights; then the combination is averaged. You need not worry if you didn't get this or my point in principle wasn't passed across. I will use another approach to convey that.

A good circuit will test for various performance potentials within a vehicle. This is with respect to the "three degrees of freedom." It must test for oversteer, understeer, tyre loadings on inside and outside, camber/caster setup, brake balance, provoked understeer and provoked oversteer, sudden change of state with respect to stability (transient), flat out linear acceleration and a few others that need not to be mentioned (for this thread purpose). Circuits are not just put mapped out (at least the reputable ones). It is precisely calculated to induce and/or provoke these motion-state characteristics. It is then you know what a car is made of and what performance it renders; not how quick if feels on the highway.

In all the states mentioned previously, the Peugeot referenced has nothing on the newer model save for linear acceleration. That will not help you on well "articulated" circuit configuration. In terms of braking and balancing, turn-ins, aerodynamics and transient functions, my conclusions are inconclusive. Much of your power cannot be used in the bends while the other will brake a lot later than yours and accelerate a lot sooner than yours. This is not rocket-science to a petrol-head.

In layman's terms, road-holding in the newer Peugeots outperforms yours, the "motion-elastic" properties and aerodynamics is generations ahead of yours. Your technology is primitive compared to what you guarantee yours against. A journalist tested a 4-cylinder @ 1.9L Evo against a 6.5L V12 Lamborghini. The Lamborghini was at an advantage because it was driven by a world class professional race driver and the Mitsubishi was driven by the journalist that can't really drive. The Lamborghini lost and did not finish. There are many other examples. Straight speeds is not performance. It was never so. That is American recreational culture based on the doo-wop era and Motown. That mentality I believe, is dead.

So, as previously stated, my hypothesis still stands. Until it is tested by a skilled and consistent professional driver on a close-circuit, conclusions cannot be drawn. My hypothesis is more pronounced since you are the one working on the vehicle. In other words, it is not in its optimum state. -- and I mean that sincerely. An acclaimed circuit with little straights and all manner of "provoking" corners for various tests of attributes will make the answer official (not just on NL but everywhere). A google review is not a credible statement. Anybody can make a review and define conclusions.

Stating your car is more efficient mechanically than a new generation concept is not something worth arguing about. You'll have a hard time convincing anyone about that because Peugeot did not make cutting edge technology at the era. It is clear you did not understand my point on this.


It's all good. I won't reply to this because it will go from criticism to something else; for I am not one given to arguments.

Its so unfortunate that you are so biased that it has clouded your judgment.

Please, can you show where i claimed that I own the most fastest car on Earth? Can you show me where I claimed that my old 505 V6 is faster than any newer car one could think of?

You said I oppress people here and show off my car. So if I want to show off, is it an old 1987 car that I would show off with? But for crying out loud, is this not a car discussion section? If I don't talk about about my car, whose car should I talk about? Yours? So I cannot refer to my car and use it as an example to address issues? So people with newer cars should talk about theirs, but those of us with older cars should hide our heads in shame and not mention them, because we are disturbing the rich like you, isn't it? Is this not the same thing nony30 you are defending did in Peugeot thread and carried it over in this thread, that you are suggesting here?

Someone, in Peugeot thread, asked for help on an issue with his Peugeot 504. While in the discussion on 504, nony30 questioned why should 504 be mentioned there. Why should the Peugeot house be disturbed with 504 talk, when we all should be talking about 407 or the newer ones. Of course, he succeeded because the innocent 504 guy never came back to the thread. After all, the poor are not welcomed there! I attacked him and told him how unfair he was to the house and that he had no right to determine which products of Peugeot to be discussed in that thread, since its a Peugeot Thread, not 406 or 407 thread. And that I created the thread and didn't discriminate any Peugeot car users from contributing, joining the house or asking questions on issues with their cars. Of course, he carried it over here to tell the every other person that he was fighting discussion on older cars and I was against him for that. Of course, the rest of the story is on the 1st page of this thread.

Now @ Trac, if you were not biased, you should have noted who started 406 vs 505 V6 on this thread. I listed the power specs figures of the two cars, just to make him not argue blindly. But of course, you chose not to see his post where he stated "Meet me on the highway with one of those museum cars and see the definition of horsepower", which necessitated my reply with those figures. But to you, I was oppressing and showing off.

You are simply unbelievable. I told you I used a 406 with bigger engine than his more than a week, but it was too underpowered for my liking. Yet you are here telling me "I got no clue what I was comparing". So you are telling me my observation while using the car was wrong? I will ask again, have you driven both cars to tell which of them is quicker? Am lack of words here.

Spare me your scientific theories. You are preaching to the wrong person.

I never even for once wanted to talk down on 406, because I have friends here that own them, especially the EW10 & XU10. No one would like anyone to tell him " Your car is very underpowered". But until I drive an I4 406 that has more power to EW10, the XU7 is not even close to power the 505 V6 possesses. Yes, I believe the EW12 406 may be quicker than the 505 V6 (though haven't driven one yet), but not the XU7 for Christ sake. I have never argued that all I4s are underpowered. But we need to be specific sometimes, not comparing turbo I4 with N/A engines.

Yes, you said my car is a Tortoise. Well, I must not own the quickest or fastest car before I seize to exist. In all my post here in Nairaland where my 505 was mentioned so far, I was specifically emphasizing why I love my 505 V6: The Handling. Nothing more. How the car behaves at whatever speed am doing with it is what made me love the car, not how fast it can be. The car gives me every reason to be thanking God each time I look at it. Am contented with what I have and will never stop mentioning it, since this is car discussion section. If its giving you sleepless night each time I mention the car, then you better go and get sleeping pills, because you are going to be seeing more of it.

Ikenna.

Ikenna please help here:

https://www.nairaland.com/1245220/failed-acceleration-eod

Your input would be much appreciated. Thanks.

leaving the thread joor so many hidden posts abeg who be the mod?

^^^exactly, the thread should be closed please!

Wow!! ‎​◦⌣kk⌣◦ these are some funny things a nonpetolhead or car enthusiast would say:
1. My 505 87 model v6 is d fastest car on NL!?
2. 504 peugeot is a classic
3. I am a guru/specialist cos I google up facts about a brand of car made in France
4. Nobody should challenge my mistakes when I talk about cars.


Pls @ Nony30 and Trac allow this thread τ̲̅ȍ thrive pls so we can have some real good time.