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Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 2:59pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Oh, the spiritual abuse going on in modern mega-churches (religious Babylon). People have been conditioned to “go to the pro from Dover” when they need any kind of goods and services, including getting their spiritual needs met. Christians don’t like to feel all alone in their faith. Christians sometimes feel insecure and look for somebody “more spiritual” to lean on. Just as surely as modern people head for the biggest, fanciest mall in town when they need new clothes, they’ll go for the biggest and fanciest “church” in town to get their spiritual needs met. Instead of directly trusting Christ Himself and looking unto Him alone to meet their inner need, they’ll go to some big-name preacher in a fancy suit, and the louder and bigger the guy is, the more attractive that preacher is to them. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Joagbaje(m): 3:38pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Preach the gospel brother,that's what sinners need to hear. that's what glorify christ. Not judging people you know little or nothing about. Ridiculing christ body openly for sinners to be more harden against christ. Leave men to be judge by their master. 1 Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a. . .busybody in other men's matters. 1 Like |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 3:42pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Frosbel, fire on! Joagabje is feeling the heat with his guilty conscience on tithing! 2 Likes |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Candour(m): 4:04pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: Matthew 23:15 ''Woe unto you Scribes and pharisees, hypocrites, for you compass sea and land to make one proselyte and when he is made, you make him twofold the child of hell than yourselves'' You know Joagbaje,it's better to leave the sinner where he is than use a false doctrine to make him twice the son of hell. An old bible teacher once said a 100% lie is more easily corrected than 90% truth mixed with with 10% lie and i think i agree with him fully. In the write up by Frosbel,there was no name calling so we shouldn't condemn it with subjective bible verses.other men's matters in the verse you quoted simply refers to private individual matters but when it comes to the issue of the church,it's every christian's duty to poke his nose my dear brother. If only more people had made Rev Jim Jones 1978 issue their own,we would not be talking of a mass suicide of close to a thousand people in the name of 'Christianity'. may God help us |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 4:30pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Candour: Thank You Bro, I was about to say the same thing. Nigeria has been over-saturated with the gospel , yet most people choose the false gospel. The Problem we have on our hands is not that the country has not been reached with the gospel, in fact it has been covered 1000 times over, the problem is that wicked and false hirelings have hijacked the gospel , re-branded it, sold it and in the process ruined millions of lives . They have fed the sheeple and those with itching ears who are in it for the money or gain , with poisonous teachings , lies and outright deception . Preaching the gospel is an easier task that the one ahead of us which is to expose the false teachers, pastors, prophets and save some from the fire. It is a rather dangerous venture, because one's live is at risk when trying to bring down the empires and kingdoms of these hirelings. "snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear--hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh." - Jude 1;23 |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Goshen360(m): 4:48pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje had been trying over the years to use emotions mixed with scriptures to shut the mouth of those who expose falsehood within the body of Christ, forgetting it's more dangerous to peddle with heresy within the body than outside the body. Our household needs clean up and God is raising the new breed of Berean church to challenge and carefully examine whatever the religious leaders had erroneously passed down to the church of God. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 4:58pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Goshen360: Joagbaje had been trying over the years to use emotions mixed with scriptures to shut the mouth of those who expose falsehood within the body of Christ, forgetting it's more dangerous to peddle with heresy within the body than outside the body. Our household needs clean up and God is raising the new breed of Berean church to challenge and carefully examine whatever the religious leaders had erroneously passed down to the church of God. I agree with you but you have no solutions to frauds like Joagbaje. I as an atheist, have a solution. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Goshen360(m): 5:14pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
@ logicboy. Suggest your solution and let's see. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 5:21pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Goshen360: @ logicboy. Suggest your solution and let's see. -Constant anti-tithing preaching in churches (better to give a poor man than to tithe to a church) Even churches that do only offerings would be scared of their cashflow if they tried such things |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Joagbaje(m): 5:25pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Goshen360: Joagbaje had been trying over the years to use emotions mixed with scriptures to shut the mouth of those who expose falsehood within the body of Christ, forgetting it's more dangerous to peddle with heresy within the body than outside the body. Our household needs clean up and God is raising the new breed of Berean church to challenge and carefully examine whatever the religious leaders had erroneously passed down to the church of God. You're making a big mistake bro. Let me just leave you guys alone . I can see you're doing good job getting logicboy saved . As you ridicule the church before sinners . Just remember christ will hold you responsible for every sinner that get harden through you. If this Were a christian forum . I won't blink an eye. But before sinners . It's a shame |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 5:28pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: People like LogicBoy have been turned away from the TRUE Gospel because of the hypocritical practices of hirelings and corrupt preachers. It does not take much to see that there is something grossly wrong with the way so called Christians conduct themselves in this day and age, very much removed from the true life and preaching of JESUS. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 5:29pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: Hardened. This guy is a hardened fraud. Gaddem tithe hustler Upon all the threads against your tithing ministry, you dont even shake. You spout your prosperity gospel with no remorse. Hardcore stuff |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 5:32pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
frosbel: lol....you are one to talk. How are you showing the true gospel with your actions? -Copying and pasting- Did Jesus copy and paste when he was lecturing and exposing the Pharisees? -Attacking anyone who doesnt follow your christian doctrine- catholics, muslims etc -spreading hate towards atheists ( whole thread titled "I hate atheists" |
Re: Leecher Preachers by debosky(m): 5:33pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
@ Joeagbaje So you should not speak the truth in front of sinners? How do you expect to 'convert' someone if you are reluctant to criticise wrongdoing in your backyard? That is called hypocrisy and people can smell that from miles away. Our focus should be on preaching the gospel, but that also includes exposing those that are twisting the gospel for fraudulent gain. When unbelievers see you fighting for the truth and not supporting fraud simply because someone claims to be a Christian, you have a far better chance of getting through to that person. Hypocrisy and insincerity are the quickest ways to turn people off the gospel message. 1 Like |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 5:34pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Logicboy03: ehhmm !! |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Joagbaje(m): 5:54pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Logicboy03: You are in no place to discuss christian matters . Christian discuss christian doctrines dear. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him:neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 6:07pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: Majority of your books in the bible were that of Jews (non-christians) Your most prolific christian writer was a christian killer in his past life (Paul) You might want to educate yourself |
Re: Leecher Preachers by amdatam: 6:09pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: Patronising - Treating with an apparent kindness that betrays a feeling of superiority and speaking to or behaving towards someone as if they are stupid or not important. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Joagbaje(m): 6:12pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
debosky: @ Joeagbaje[/quote] That's not the point. What do you say about christian couple quarreling before Neighbours who are not saved. No matter the point each is trying to communicate . I don't know if you get my point. Attacking the body of christ before sinners is wrong . You're simply destroying what you think you're building. If this were a christian forum lets fight it out if there need be. God even detest the idea of Christians selltlimg dispute before sinners. The body of christ is too honorable for this criticizing and attacking 1 Corinthians 6:5-6 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 6:15pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: Not everyone who says he/she is a Christian is ONE, only the LORD knows those who are his. All those who are his , must depart from every form of iniquity, which includes the blatant exploitation of his children, stealing their money and livelihoods , while using it for other projects that have nothing to do with the welfare of breathing human beings . |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Joagbaje(m): 6:21pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Goshen360: Joagbaje had been trying over the years to use emotions mixed with scriptures to shut the mouth of those who expose falsehood within the body of Christ, forgetting it's more dangerous to peddle with heresy within the body than outside the body. Our household needs clean up and God is raising the new breed of Berean church to challenge and carefully examine whatever the religious leaders had erroneously passed down to the church of God. That's another mistake you're making. One of the reasons I avoid threads like this sometimes is the fact that some of you deliberately twist my concerns into a cover up. Very absurd. Nothing personal here . I have scriptural foundation on issues I raise. Secondly before you go open in ridiculing your brother ,how sure are you that he is wrong and you are right. Supposing you are wrong . Besides truth is communicated in love. Lastly have you ever wondered why Jesus said if you have issue with your brother. Go to him ALONE. Church matters either disputes or doctrine are settled in the church . Few need to discern the body of christ. Since there tendency you may be wrong. Think twice . Paul didnt fight doctrinal matters with James at the hill of mars or agora market. Matthew 13:29-30 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest:and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:but gather the wheat into my barn. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by debosky(m): 6:21pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: You want to 'hide' what is already evident to everyone - a couple quarrelling are showing they are human beings, not some saints walking on clouds. It's a different issue altogether. This is about what Christians stand for - and this is truth. If Christians stand for truth, they will not tolerate hypocrisy or falsehood, even in their own backyard. God is more interested in truth and honesty than 'protecting' the body of Christ. We are not settling disputes in front of sinners - Christians are pointing out the flaws in their midst as it should happen. Judgement will begin in the house of the Lord, so we cannot be quiet and let these things go unmentioned.
There is no court case here - neither has anyone called an unbeliever to judge between brethren. This is Christians standing for what they believe is right and pointing out that which is wrong. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Joagbaje(m): 6:24pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
debosky: So what I'm I hiding and what is the truth? |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Joagbaje(m): 6:33pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
debosky: The court case is not the issue . The principle is thie same for every dispute either doctrinal or civil. It's dealt with in house . The issue is not who wins . But sinners watching saints tear each other apart for self righteous glory. Early church had doctrinal issue. And they respected each others conviction. I may not agree with you . Whatever you're preaching I may not agree with you but don't bring it to my door step. That's Paul's idea. He had obvious issues with other apostles . But truth is communicated in love . So long as there is a chance you might be wrong,humble yourself . Romans 14:5-6 One man esteemeth one day above another:another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Fighting to the death is not of God . Especially if the person you're contending with has scriptural backing for what he believes. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Ubenedictus(m): 7:02pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Ubenedictus(m): 7:02pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje:did i just read 'busybody'? |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Ubenedictus(m): 7:10pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Oga it seems u are sweating, should i get a fan. Joagbaje:u don quote tire. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Goshen360(m): 7:11pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje, where do you want us to exclusively air the truth? You forget this is pubic forum and audience are mixed. Even if it were to be Christian forum exclusively, how do you expect the whole internet audience to be Christians only. This is not church gathering and even in church gatherings, you dont expect all to be Christians without one single unbeliever. Also, when a preacher is talk to television audience, you can't say the whole audience must be Christians even if such preacher rebukes or corrects Christians in his preaching. You are simply hiding under the veil of scriptures to avoid open exposure of falsehood within the body of Christ. Our house needs clean up sir. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 7:40pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
@joagbaje give up and stop beign stiffnecked.the tithe lie has been exposed |
Re: Leecher Preachers by mbaemeka(m): 7:41pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
I just read where a 'fellow christian' claimed that another is 'hiding under the veil of scriptures'. This is indeed exasperating. What should be his defence? His emotions or logic? There has always been an order of doing things in the house of God-devoid of self aggrandizment and furtherance of personal tenets. I understand that two well meaning christians having a dispute on a biblical issue can exchange emails or phone numbers so that the issue can be treated away from 'unbelievers' and so that the right order would be adhered to. All this hypocrisy in the name of cleaning the house of God has to stop. Did God tell you to clean his house for him? Certainly not! I can imagine the message that frosbel and goshen360 have passed across to logicboy and co. The impetus to even pat yourselves on the back whilst the atheists egg you on is even more mind boggling. Remember that any decision (no matter how worthy it appears) that is detrimental to the body of christ or that sways an unbeliever further would be held more accountable to the executer! Let those who have ears, hear. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Nobody: 8:27pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
mba emeka: I just read where a 'fellow christian' claimed that another is 'hiding under the veil of scriptures'. This is indeed exasperating. What should be his defence? His emotions or logic? The Truth is that 80% of what is called Christianity in Nigeria today is a BIG Joke and is actually more of a hindrance to the salvation of souls than anything else. It is useful to bring these issues to light and discuss them with the purpose of saving the few that still have a yearning for the truth. |
Re: Leecher Preachers by Joagbaje(m): 8:30pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Goshen360: Joagbaje, where do you want us to exclusively air the truth? What is the truth? How much do you know to judge the other man? Have you found the premise on which he stand . But to answer your question, truth should be aired with a purpose and target. We can discuss doctrines here scholastically . But name calling ,insults and abuses before sinners don't glorify christ. He will only tell you "who sent you" teaching and correction has a bible way to be communicated . And everyone has right to his belief and convictition. It's the holyghost who opens a mans understanding. There are different levels of truth. Lesser truths and greater truths. The man with lesser light has lesser truth. You can't blame him ,that's all he knows. We intercede for the Holy Spirit to open understanding of people . That's his work. We can do it by dirty fight . You forget this is pubic forum and audience are mixed. We should use everything thing God has given us to reach sinners , not to tear the body . Even if it were to be Christian forum exclusively, how do you expect the whole internet audience to be Christians only.This is not church gathering and even in church gatherings, you dont expect all to be Christians without one single unbeliever Sinners won't go surfing christian doctrines sites . . Also, when a preacher is talk to television audience, you can't say the whole audience must be Christians even if such preacher rebukes or corrects Christians in his preaching Preaching truth in love is different from criticism and tearing each other apart. Has anyone been able to convert the other?. You are simply hiding under the veil of scriptures to avoid open exposure of falsehood within the body of Christ. Our house needs clean up sir. It is not you who does the cleaning . It's the work of the Holy Spirit. Teaching truth is not judgementslism . How much of truth do you know to judge another. Oyaks says mastubation is not a sin, Goshen says premarital sex is not a sin, kuns says tithing is obsolete. You can present your point scripturally and leave it there . But attacking another for his conviction based on the light he has is unscriptural. I may not agree with your doctrine . But it shouldn't be personal. The name callings and insults to other Christians in the name of Jesus is . Fleshly and carnal. Truth is spoken in love if it's from the holygjost. Because as much as you may be right you may sill be the one in error. |
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