Mr_Anony2:
My dear friend, If you are going to claim that a contract that limits a person's sexual activity is a breach of basic human rights, then I fail to see how it is not equally a breach of basic human rights to dictate what soft drink a person chooses to drink. You can't have it both ways my dear.

MacDaddy01:


Agreed. Wirinet is quite wrong here. Even catholic priests take an oath of celibacy- you have sex and you could be excommunicated.

MacDaddy01:


Agreed. Wirinet is quite wrong here. Even catholic priests take an oath of celibacy- you have sex and you could be excommunicated.

seyibrown:

..off topic but how many Catholic priests have been excommunicated for all the sekz they've had with all those poor kids and nuns!

vedaxcool: ^
I think the answer lies in the number of protestant/penticostalpastors cut stealing God's tithe (people get mind ohh!) That number of excommunicated = number of tithe thieves! Thank me later!

MacDaddy01:


Agreed. Wirinet is quite wrong here. Even catholic priests take an oath of celibacy- you have sex and you could be excommunicated.

MacDaddy01:


Agreed. Wirinet is quite wrong here. Even catholic priests take an oath of celibacy- you have sex and you could be excommunicated.

wirinet:

i do not think you can compare the catholic organization or any other religious organization or even confraternity with corporate body. The catholic church and religious bodies operate under charity, NGO and non profit organization laws, that is why they get away with anything. They do not pay tax even for commercial undertakings.

Priests are more like members of the organization than employees. That is why they use the word excommunicate rather than sack or termination of employment. Excommunication simply means any other member is not allowed to communicate with you, and any member can be excommunicated. Even at that you cannot compare laws made when Europe was under the tyranny of the church to modern day realities. Most of those laws have lost their relevancy as priest(catholic, protestants and even word of life Christians) openly break celibacy and funication rules, without any fear of excommunication.

MacDaddy01:



WRONG. Just wrong.

Is there a separate employment law for NGO's and charities? No.


The point is simple. You enter an employment contract and it is binding. The rules of the christian schools do not violate ones human rights. It is foolish but not illegal. No pre-marital sex.

Even in certain sports camps for certain durations, the sportsmen are not allowed to have sex because it is a distraction. If they do, they are kicked off the team or suspended.





By the way, excommunicated is broad term that could include suspension or banishment. The excommunicated Rev. Fathers cant work in any catholic organisation.

wirinet:

yes, NGOs, charity organizations and religious bodies do not operate same employments laws as normal business entities. They operate on a membership basis. So they can loose membership status by going against the status of their membership. For example an osun worshipers can loose membership status by refusing to bath in the osun river, likewise, you can loose nairaland membership status simply by insulting Seun. Having an employment contract is a different thing altogether. You and your employer have to abide by legally acceptable laws - both internationally and local.

Same with sports, it is run on a volunteer basis. But in instances where there is a legal employment contract, you cannot be sacked for bridging house rules, you can only be suspended from playing games. Ask ballotelli or tevez

wirinet:

Shut up. What is your business with how another adult wants to live his/her life. Does your working in public school mean you must define the sexual or moral life of others?

Seriously you have physiological issues, you mean you get disappointed when a teacher decides to have a child without necessarily getting married? And so should be punished for a purely private decision? So please tell me how a teacher's pregnancy- married or unmarried affect the educational, moral, psychological or social development of a child. Does a child even understand the implication of marriage, pregnancy and pre-marital or post-marital sex? It is bigots like you that would indoctinate little children in adult issues that they are not expected to understand until they are young adults.

You are an hypocrite also, so what should happen to male teachers that decides to father children also. Oh, they dont get pregnant. But they did engage in pre-marital se.x. So the problem is not pre-marital sex itself but pre-marital pregnancy.

I think you need to get a se.xual life - pre-marital or otherwise, it would help you ease your years of bottled up tensions and emotions.

wirinet:

What is ridiculous about the argument? What i find ridiculous is an employer dictating when, how and with who an employee should have a child with. It is more ridiculous for an employer to impose their personal moral views on the personal lives of employees.

I honestly do not understand why who a woman sleeps with or decides to have a baby with bothers others so much to the point of hysteria.

If a woman decides to have a child without a husband or buy a donated sper.m from a sper.m bank or even decides to adopt a baby, it is her prerogative. Please learn to worry about what concerns you ie, how to get a job, spouse, children etc, and how to contribute to make the lives of others better.

wirinet:

What is ridiculous about the argument? What i find ridiculous is an employer dictating when, how and with who an employee should have a child with. It is more ridiculous for an employer to impose their personal moral views on the personal lives of employees.

I honestly do not understand why who a woman sleeps with or decides to have a baby with bothers others so much to the point of hysteria.

If a woman decides to have a child without a husband or buy a donated sper.m from a sper.m bank or even decides to adopt a baby, it is her prerogative. Please learn to worry about what concerns you ie, how to get a job, spouse, children etc, and how to contribute to make the lives of others better.

seyibrown:

..off topic but how many Catholic priests have been excommunicated for all the sekz they've had with all those poor kids and nuns!

wirinet:

i do not think you can compare the catholic organization or any other religious organization or even confraternity with corporate body. The catholic church and religious bodies operate under charity, NGO and non profit organization laws, that is why they get away with anything. They do not pay tax even for commercial undertakings.

Priests are more like members of the organization than employees. That is why they use the word excommunicate rather than sack or termination of employment. Excommunication simply means any other member is not allowed to communicate with you, and any member can be excommunicated. Even at that you cannot compare laws made when Europe was under the tyranny of the church to modern day realities. Most of those laws have lost their relevancy as priest(catholic, protestants and even word of life Christians) openly break celibacy and funication rules, without any fear of excommunication.

wirinet:

Shut up. What is your business with how another adult wants to live his/her life. Does your working in public school mean you must define the sexual or moral life of others?

Seriously you have physiological issues, you mean you get disappointed when a teacher decides to have a child without necessarily getting married? And so should be punished for a purely private decision? So please tell me how a teacher's pregnancy- married or unmarried affect the educational, moral, psychological or social development of a child. Does a child even understand the implication of marriage, pregnancy and pre-marital or post-marital sex? It is bigots like you that would indoctinate little children in adult issues that they are not expected to understand until they are young adults.

You are an hypocrite also, so what should happen to male teachers that decides to father children also. Oh, they dont get pregnant. But they did engage in pre-marital se.x. So the problem is not pre-marital sex itself but pre-marital pregnancy.

I think you need to get a se.xual life - pre-marital or otherwise, it would help you ease your years of bottled up tensions and emotions.

InesQor: @wirinet:

As I told you earlier, Georgia State laws permit this kind of contract so in as much as your argument on her rights make global sense, in this case it has no basis.

efosanice: Mr jesoul and manmustwac move this thread to front page , i am tired of seeing tonto dikeh on the front page.

MacDaddy01: All that matters is the contract the teacher signed. No premarital sex. Period.

It doesn't matter how foolish the codes of the college are, what matters is that she entered into a binding contract with the college. I find it to be silly and hypocritical of christian colleges to be asking such of employees but there you go.

However, the school might have to amend its policies if the only way for them to identify premarital sex is through pregnancy. That there is a lawsuit for gender discrimination.