If truely God knew us before the foundations of the earth was laid then why didnt he avert the fal of man? I mean was it in His agenda. My questn in essense are, why was the tree of the knwlgd of gud n of evil put in the garden? Why didnt he warn them of the serpent(satan) and hs crafty? Or was there a bet btw God and the devil the acct never told us of(if mankind wud b worthy of true servitude to the Lord)? Why didnt God send angels to repel the advances of the serpent? Why didnt the serpent offer or compel Eve to pluck simultaneously from both The tree of the Knwl. Of go0d n of evil. And the tree of life(was it in the plan)? Wow! Hope i am nt goin to far? Answers pls..

The scary part is that if God created man and intended that man shuld live a happy life of enjoyment and worship him but his grand plan didn't workout, how then are we sure that heaven will b such a perfect place even as God intended?

We seem to have made God an imperfect being even as we call him a perfect God.

1. He created the angels wit d intension that they shuld obey him and worship him and do all heveanly chores yet the devil disobeyed and not only him but thousand of angels followed suit, then his plans scattered (xcept if it were all his intension)
2. He created man in his own image to live a perfect life of worshiping him, man disobeyed him and Gods plan scattered, there is now death, disaster, sorrow etc (xcept if this was his intension)
3.He got angry wit d world during d time of noah and sodom and gomorah and destryd the earth and the city only for evil to continue evn worse than it was bfore distruction. Y destry d earth, kill men and women, babies and animals only for u not to acheive any thing (xcept if it was all his intension)
4. He sent his only begotten son to die for us. The young man was disgraced, rejected, abused and killed for humans to be saved. Yet the ration of pple going to heaven compared to that goin to heaven is 5:95. What did jesus death acheive ? (Xcept if it was his intension.)


Hw then can we trust that heaven will not fail again like his past plans had all failed? Pls I need answers too

Dat's anoda enigma. Lemme do my home work to come up with answers, meanwhile more comments..

@OP
There's a popular expression that says:YOU CAN'T GIVE WHAT YOU DON'T HAVE.
As you rightfully stated in your first post,God knew that the created beings(angels and man)will disobey His authority.why?
Because there's nothing like obedience in the council of the GodHead in the beginning,in the begining God doesn't know how to obey,there's non to obey to,that's why He is God.
Inorder to creat a law abiding universe,obedience has to be created and establish in the same universe.
And to creat and establish such task(obedience)MuST be done by the CREATOR HimSelf.through His created being(man)
So man has to be created in the begining
Inorder for His Devine Purpose to be fullfill.
Since it was man that disobeyed His Authority,through man His Authority will be establish.
A day came after the creation that God emptied Himself of His divinity and took the form of a man.not just any man but a servant/slave(Philippines2:6-for Him to be qualify to obey,because obedience was not in Him in the begining He learnt it here on earth(Hebrew5:.He completed His creation with obedience on the cross of calvary(John19:30).after His Resurrection He told Mary not to touch Him,because the work of creation which He has competed has not been establish in Heaven yet(John20:17).
So the whole perception of falling man has to do with Divine sovereignty of God.

^^^ What I can deduce from your post is that Jesus is the same as Yahweh and He created everything in order to learn obedience from His creation(s). Firstly, this makes no sense and secondly, it doesn't answer the questions the op raised.

@IBG: did you check out that thread?

@OP: too many people asking these dangerous questions on this board these days, GOD help us

inspiredbyGOD:.:
^^^ What I can deduce from your post is that Jesus is the same as Yahweh and He created everything in order to learn obedience from His creation(s). Firstly, this makes no sense and secondly, it doesn't answer the questions the op raised.

Dude
The title of the tread says:WAS The fall of Man Designed?
Its irrelevant how or by what means he fell.but was he designed to fall in the begining? The answer is Capital YES.
Why? Because 0obedience was not constituted in His being when he was created.

i.chuka:

Dude
The title of the tread says:WAS The fall of Man Designed?
Its irrelevant how or by what means he fell.but was he designed to fall in the begining? The answer is Capital YES.
Why? Because 0obedience was not constituted in His being when he was created.

It really makes no sense for u to sayy that God only learnt what disobedience meant from his creation. I even thought the devil had already disobeyed him abd had been cast away before man disobeyed. Didn't God learn disobedience from there?

So man is suffering and majority will perish in hell forever and ever all because God wanted to learn what disobedience from man.

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It really makes no sense for u to sayy that God only learnt what disobedience meant from his creation. I even thought the devil had already disobeyed him abd had been cast away before man disobeyed. Didn't God learn disobedience from there?

So man is suffering and majority will perish in hell forever and ever all because God wanted to learn what disobedience from man. [/quote/]


Obedience not disobedience.
He learnt and established it when He became man.
John11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; 26 and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"
So who soever believes in Him even though he dies(from Adam's time till now)shall live.
Because you BELIEVE in Him, His obedience has become your obedience.

Great question op, good to see you questioning. God appears to be this all knowing, all powerful, all loving deity, yet he still keeps investing in things he knows will fail, he doesn't bother to stop those things from failing, and heck! He watches thousands of people suffer for things that could have been avoided.
When you study the bible objectively you will notice god doesn't seem to be so wise or loving as he claims he is, just irrational and highly impulsive, he seems to have all the weaknesses the average guy has although he claims to be perfect.
Another example to prove his irrationality is in 1 kings 21. Here god forgives a man for his sins, yet passes it on to his innocent unborn children. There's also other cases like of handing over the victim of a sexual assault to her assaulter, killing innocent people who never bothered you just because you want to take over their land as in the case of Jericho (I mean if god was so powerful and humane why didn't he just turn the wilderness into a fertile land?), infact the whole idea of attacking a set of people in defense of another set when you created them all sounds ridiculous. Imagine if a parent was doing that? Wouldn't you call that parent childish? But when it comes to the case of God we keep silent because he's...well...God.
The more you study the bible the more it seems like a book written by primitive minded and probably bored shepherds, only if we could be bold enough to accept that.

musKeeto: @IBG: did you check out that thread?

Taking my time but i've already saved the web pages.

i.chuka:

Dude
The title of the tread says:WAS The fall of Man Designed?
Its irrelevant how or by what means he fell.but was he designed to fall in the begining? The answer is Capital YES.
Why? Because 0obedience was not constituted in His being when he was created.

So God created an imperfect being (man) just so that he could learn obedience? He purposefully made man disobedient, made man sin and then kicked man out of the garden to learn tough life lessons. Wow, this makes a lot of sense.

inspiredbyGOD:.:
So God created an imperfect being (man) just so that he could learn obedience? He purposefully made man disobedient, made man sin and then kicked man out of the garden to learn tough life lessons. Wow, this makes a lot of sense.

So Adam was perfectly created in the beginning abi?then why did he indulge in disobedience?
After creation in the beginning God Beholds His creation and said it is very GOOD(Gen1:31)but that doesn't mean he has perfected His creation yet.
Adam might be very good doesn't mean His perfect.perfectation of everything only comes thruogh Christ,by the reason of His established works of obedience on the cross of calvary.

God did not designed it from the beginning that man should fall.He says my thought towards you are of good and not of evil to give you an expected end.

You asked if truly God knew us b4 d foundation earth,why did he not avert d fall of man?
The answer is:God did not know us b4 d foundation of the earth.It was after God created the earth that He dicided to create Adam and Eve.
You also asked why God did not avert the fall of man.
Answer is;God knew that there is possibility for them to want to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,that was why God warned them from the biginning that they should not eat from the tree;& if they do,they shall surely die.
God gave we human beings the free will of mind to appreciate Him and worship Him.He did not create us as robot.We have the right to choose btw good and evil.The more resson He gave that warning to Adam. God did not expect him to disobey. Adam understood this instruction and would have rebuked the satan, if Satan had approached him directly.But Satan went through the woman.Satan knew that Adam had love for Eve to a fault, and it was his weakness. Satan exploited that weakness.
Another answer to your question is that Satan had not falling from the his position in heaven. As at the time God created Adam and Eve,there was nothing like Satan. God did not create Satan,it was when he imagined being like God that Angel Michael and other Angels drove him away from heaven.And the bible records it in Revelation 12:12-...."Woe to d inhabutants of d earth and d sea !for d devil is come unto you,having great wrath,because he knoweth that he hath but a short time"

The reason why God planted the tree in the garden; was known to God,but not for the purpose of making man to fall.It is like a father who buys a power generator for the comfort of the family.He calls the wife and the children and gave them warning not to play with the sucket when the generator is put on,if the children or the wife decides to listen to an enemy who wants to kill, them because of envy or jealousy and they got killed,can you blame the man for buying the generator?So also with God,he created the tree for a purpose not for evil.The train,the plane, the cars etc are good,but they kill if we decide to disobey the safety precautions given by the manufacturers. God loves us but does not love disobedience.

God will not send his angels to come and repel the advances of the serpent or Satan, since He had given the warnings and the consequence of the violation.Adam and Eve could easily reject the suggestion of Satan ,and he would be the only one to be cast into the lake of fire.

Satan did not compel Adam and Eve to simultaneously eat from both the tree of knowledge of good/evil and the tree of life is because it would not serve him any purpose ,but would instead hinder the work of Satan the more.What do I mean?

If Adam an Eve had eaten the from the tree of Life,they would still be alive till today,but will not be exonerated from eternal judgement in the lake of fire. And the world would have come to an end for long, thereby fast forwarding the judgement of Satan and the falling angels. Satan will not be able to decieve many because people would have known his tricks.
Adam and eve and our ancestors will have been aware of the the plans of Satan.Satan is able to carry on with his activities because he has the knowledge of the biginning of man and our family history.

inurmind: Great question op, good to see you questioning. God appears to be this all knowing, all powerful, all loving deity, yet he still keeps investing in things he knows will fail, he doesn't bother to stop those things from failing, and heck! He watches thousands of people suffer for things that could have been avoided.
When you study the bible objectively you will notice god doesn't seem to be so wise or loving as he claims he is, just irrational and highly impulsive, he seems to have all the weaknesses the average guy has although he claims to be perfect.
Another example to prove his irrationality is in 1 kings 21. Here god forgives a man for his sins, yet passes it on to his innocent unborn children. There's also other cases like of handing over the victim of a sexual assault to her assaulter, killing innocent people who never bothered you just because you want to take over their land as in the case of Jericho (I mean if god was so powerful and humane why didn't he just turn the wilderness into a fertile land?), infact the whole idea of attacking a set of people in defense of another set when you created them all sounds ridiculous. Imagine if a parent was doing that? Wouldn't you call that parent childish? But when it comes to the case of God we keep silent because he's...well...God.
The more you study the bible the more it seems like a book written by primitive minded and probably bored shepherds, only if we could be bold enough to accept that.

Great observation there. Reading the bible reveals the fact that most religious people living prior to the advent of Christ did not have as much knowledge of the truth as we do today. Some of these guys thought of God as sending lying spirits to the heart of man when it pleases him. Some of them thinks God does terrible things sometimes and then repents of the evil. But a time came when another understood a higher concept of God and proclaimed "God is not a man that he should lie neither a son of man that he should repent." And this is why certain accounts in the bible are not as spiritually relevant as they are intellectually relevant for today. God is ABSOLUTE and his nature is love. Even though the world is imperfect, God says heaven is and I think we should believe him.

God is not, however, personally responsible for the conduct of all spirit personalities. The will of the personal creature is relatively free and hence determines the actions of such volitional beings. Therefore the freewill spirit world is not always truly representative of the character of God, even as nature on Earth is not truly revelatory of the perfection and immutability of Paradise and Deity. But no matter what may characterize the freewill action of man or angel, God's eternal grasp of the universal gravity control of all spirit realities continues as absolute.

God did not pre-plan the fall of man but God is able to uphold his creation.

enilove:
God did not designed it from the beginning that man should fall.He says my thought towards you are of good and not of evil to give you an expected end.

You asked if truly God knew us b4 d foundation earth,why did he not avert d fall of man?
The answer is:God did not know us b4 d foundation of the earth.It was after God created the earth that He dicided to create Adam and Eve.
You also asked why God did not avert the fall of man.
Answer is;God knew that there is possibility for them to want to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,that was why God warned them from the biginning that they should not eat from the tree;& if they do,they shall surely die.
God gave we human beings the free will of mind to appreciate Him and worship Him.He did not create us as robot.We have the right to choose btw good and evil.The more resson He gave that warning to Adam. God did not expect him to disobey. Adam understood this instruction and would have rebuked the satan, if Satan had approached him directly.But Satan went through the woman.Satan knew that Adam had love for Eve to a fault, and it was his weakness. Satan exploited that weakness.
Another answer to your question is that Satan had not falling from the his position in heaven. As at the time God created Adam and Eve,there was nothing like Satan. God did not create Satan,it was when he imagined being like God that Angel Michael and other Angels drove him away from heaven.And the bible records it in Revelation 12:12-...."Woe to d inhabutants of d earth and d sea !for d devil is come unto you,having great wrath,because he knoweth that he hath but a short time"

The reason why God planted the tree in the garden; was known to God,but not for the purpose of making man to fall.It is like a father who buys a power generator for the comfort of the family.He calls the wife and the children and gave them warning not to play with the sucket when the generator is put on,if the children or the wife decides to listen to an enemy who wants to kill, them because of envy or jealousy and they got killed,can you blame the man for buying the generator?So also with God,he created the tree for a purpose not for evil.The train,the plane, the cars etc are good,but they kill if we decide to disobey the safety precautions given by the manufacturers. God loves us but does not love disobedience.

God will not send his angels to come and repel the advances of the serpent or Satan, since He had given the warnings and the consequence of the violation.Adam and Eve could easily reject the suggestion of Satan ,and he would be the only one to be cast into the lake of fire.

Satan did not compel Adam and Eve to simultaneously eat from both the tree of knowledge of good/evil and the tree of life is because it would not serve him any purpose ,but would instead hinder the work of Satan the more.What do I mean?

If Adam an Eve had eaten the from the tree of Life,they would still be alive till today,but will not be exonerated from eternal judgement in the lake of fire. And the world would have come to an end for long, thereby fast forwarding the judgement of Satan and the falling angels. Satan will not be able to decieve many because people would have known his tricks.
Adam and eve and our ancestors will have been aware of the the plans of Satan.Satan is able to carry on with his activities because he has the knowledge of the biginning of man and our family history.

great contribution my sis. Eniluv. But i'd counter where u said "God did not knw us b4 the fndation of the earth'' wit the buk of Eph. 1vs3,4 wia it says- 'Blessed be the God and father of our Lord J.C, who has blessed us wit every spiritual blessing in heavenly places wit Christ just as he chose us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD...'' so indeed, b4 man was created. God had knwn him.
Gud point anyway dear, bt lemme add a little sumfin hia. If u read wit deep understand the accts of the creation stories(both dat of d celestial beings & man), you'd observe or cum to the kn0wledge dat Go0d and Evil were in existence togeda wit God. Now dis a drift that may sound huge bt listen- Probably, God to0, in some point had to cho0se btw gud and evil. And since he is a gud and rghteous God, dat means he ch0se gud
over evil.
I'm heading sumwia. N0w, Lucifer & a host of heavenly beings were been created(GOD'S first creation). & lucifer as we knw was created perfect, he was alm0st lyk a semi-god, who handled a large portion of the celetial affairs.
As tym wore on, jealousy drove lucifer in2 a plan of ovathrownin God, whch failed n led to d castin dwn of him and his faction 4rm heaven. So dat means the unactive evil nature that was left in the cold, was activated by the devil to become his nature. He wudnt hav fot God being gud natured, so he decided to become evil natured to carry out his plan. (to b cnt'd)..

BroRhema: If truely God knew us before the foundations of the earth was laid then why didnt he avert the fal of man? I mean was it in His agenda. My questn in essense are, why was the tree of the knwlgd of gud n of evil put in the garden? Why didnt he warn them of the serpent(satan) and hs crafty? Or was there a bet btw God and the devil the acct never told us of(if mankind wud b worthy of true servitude to the Lord)? Why didnt God send angels to repel the advances of the serpent? Why didnt the serpent offer or compel Eve to pluck simultaneously from both The tree of the Knwl. Of go0d n of evil. And the tree of life(was it in the plan)? Wow! Hope i am nt goin to far? Answers pls..

Do not expect to get a genuine answer ofF the thread. All you will get are bible quotes and disgusting explanations. If you wanna know more,make your own research{not the bible}...the truth is out there.

Welcum bak. What are am sayin in essence, God's creations hav the free will to cho0se btw wat is gud n evil. And until the nature of Evil is been totally do0med, it stil stands as an option, togeda wit gud, for al creation to cho0se of.

No be small thing o

InesQor: No be small thing o

Is that all you'd say? lol!

enilove:
You asked if truly God knew us b4 d foundation earth,why did he not avert d fall of man?
The answer is:God did not know us b4 d foundation of the earth.It was after God created the earth that He dicided to create Adam and Eve.

The bolded throws away your god's all knowning title. Hope you know?

You also asked why God did not avert the fall of man.
Answer is;God knew that there is possibility for them to want to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,that was why God warned them from the biginning that they should not eat from the tree;& if they do,they shall surely die.

Means there was a flaw in creation. Not the fault of the created but of the creator.

It is like a father who buys a power generator for the comfort of the family.He calls the wife and the children and gave them warning not to play with the sucket when the generator is put on,if the children or the wife decides to listen to an enemy who wants to kill, them because of envy or jealousy and they got killed,can you blame the man for buying the generator?

Useless analogy

It is like a father who puts a 9mm pistol on the middle table of his todlers room, warns him not to touch it and leaves the door wide open for a lunatic to enter

This is more like it

kingstarr:

Is that all you'd say? lol!

I don't think I want to join the argument, but in my opinion the events called the "Fall of Man" in Genesis are metaphorical expressions. It's not like a snake physically psyched Eve and then Adam and Eve physically ate agbalumo (udara) or something.

I think it's an allegory of power play between God and the renegade angels headed by Lucifer, and man just happened to be in the middle of everything. In that "fall", Man took sides with Lucifer against God.

There is a lot that I do not know about that story, but I don't take it literally like that.

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The bolded throws away your god's all knowning title. Hope you know?
We were'nt existing as human beings when God,was creating the earth.So how could He have known me.It was after He completed the creation of the earth He decided to create man.Likewise Eve.After God created Adam,he felt there was need to create Eve.That does not mean He is not all knowing.

God did not know that Adam would disobey Him to the detriment of his life.There was nothing like disobedience as at then.
Satan started it all by his evil imagination.

The earth can not be enjoyable if we have to do everything without appreciation of God's kindness and love in our heart..If God had created us as robot,there would'nt have been anything like disobedience and the world would have not been different from a manufacturing plant.You will eat only when God asks you to,your choices,your partners,enjoyment ,relationships,your sleeping time,your speaches etc will be controlled by God. How do you think this will please us,when we dont have a right and thought of our own.Such a human being would not please God also.

God created us and gave us the sovereign right to enjoy the world.But in total obedience to him.
That is why God said we are gods.Because He gave us life on earth to exercise supreme authority within a limited sphere and total obedience to Him.

When He created us He did not have the mind to curse Adam & Eve.He did not designed it that way.God is not a sadist.People are dying and confusion every where.It is not because God designed it that way,but for our disobedience in failing to keep to Gods instruction of THOU SHALL NOT EAT FROM THIS TREE.

Disobedience is like the sin of witchcraft.It is getting more pronounced nowadays.People want to do things their ways, they detest rules and regulation.
If given the chance one person alone in this Nigeria is ready to claim all the wealth that belong to the nation.Lawlessness everywhere.

This is not allowed in heaven,so God will not allow it for Adam or any human beings coming after him on earth either.
Holiness and gratitude is what God wants from us.
He is not a planner of evil.

Means there was a flaw in creation. Not the fault of the created but of the creator.


There is no flaw in creation.Creation is an act of inventing or production.If I set up a company and have employees,would'nt there be rules and regulations for the employees to abide with? There is a hand book for every staff for details of instructions and would serve as ready reference. If after you employed a staff ,who violates or go against the company's policy as lay down by you,dont you have the right to purnish such a staff?Is there no purnishment for misconduct?Have you done such disobedient staff evil in anyway?Does that mean you have failed in your invention?No! You can reorganize or reengineer your company for better efficency.
You will look for an obedient servant to employ and replace the disobedient servant.
That is exacly what God is doing right now.Looking for those that He will finally use and bring back His plan as designed before Adam fell.Satan the perpetrator of evil and all those that loves disobedience shall soon be terminated. But my prayer is that we the creature should not question the creator but abide by His commandment and it shall be well with our souls, in Jesus name.
God cannot fail and Has never failed.It causes God nothing to distroy the earth and create a new order,but that would mean that Satan has succeeded. That was the original plan of the devil.He did not know that there was a way out for mankind through our Lord Jesus Christ who can and reconcilled us back to God by His blood.

2Corint 5:18"And all things are of God,who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation. God cannot fail,it is Satan that has failed already.No wonder he goes about like a wounded lion seeking whom to

Thanks.

This is sort of a loaded question. It has no simpe answer. So I'll break it into two simpler questions answers to which completely answer its enquiry.

Was man designed to fall? NO!

Did God's design accommodate the possibility of failure in man? YES!

God never meant for man to fall, but He did not exclude the possibility of his failure in His design or else man would not have the power of choice. God's design both allowed man to fail and provided for his restoration. That is the wonder of omniscience.

Because God knew that man would exercise his power of choice in the wrong direction, He worked restoration into the plan. The tree was all about giving man the opportunity to choose a path. If the tree (or whatever it represents) were not part of that story, man's power of choice would have meant exactly nothing because of the lack of opportunity to exercise it. If Satan had not been allowed to fall, there would have been no evil for man to choose. If Satan had not tempted man, there would have been no impetus or reason to head in any direction other than good and therefore no choice.

The design covered everything and provided for every possible need and every possible contingency. It is a perfect design, complete in every way.

@enilove
Please stop saying that God did not KNOW
If He didn't know why is He God.
Why don't you study these verses Isa46:10,Acts2:23,1pet1:2,Rev1:8.

Ya chuks, i do agree d@ God knew us 4rm the fndation of the earth. However, an0da n0tion was lit in my mind whch is, God only had in His mind the the perfect image of what was to be created, but was oblivious of possibility of what was to b the created to submit totaly to his wil. I'm sure dis was God's tot because of d first fall(dat of satan n his faction) Thus, He puts man to test. So if the fall of man was designed dat means d fall of satan and d@ of d fallen angels(Gen 6) were designed to0. What i am sure of is, The nature of Gud & Evil ws in existence pre-creation(both dat of the celestial beings n man). I gues, God, lyk i said on my prev. post, to0k afta d Gud nature n detested d nature of evil. So as being our God, He wants us to b of the nature he chose n detest evil. In conclusion, we must take n0te dat God doesnt hav absolute/utter control over d decision-making of what He created on d choice of Gud n Evil, because He in s0me point, chose btwn Gud n Evil himself. So there4, n0ne of diz tins dat happened was staged/dsgnd. It was based on decision because of d free-wil to ch0ose.

there is absolutely no mistake in the set up of the world from the beginning and as we see it today. it was a deliberate design by God. the bible story is just an allegory trying to explain the concept to simply minded people just like you use folk tales to explain phenomenon to children.

Souls as created by God were immature and needed to grow into full maturity in order to fully express their God-like qualities so the lower worlds were created as schools and the devil was made the headmaster and souls were sent to this schools to grow spiritually and when reaching full maturity to go back to God. spiritual teachers from age to age were also sent into this schools to remind these souls that they are in a school and to take their studies seriously.

God has been successfully dealing with the affairs of man - bringing man through the evolutionary path of existence to attains God's presence in heaven - long long time before the fall of man on earth.

Our world is not the only inhabited planet and there are lots of planets where there is no such confusion about the reality of God as we experience here on earth simply because there has been no "fall of man" on such planets.

The "fall of man", nevertheless influenced by the devil, was wholly the choice of Adam and Eve. God did not will it neither did he sustain the plan to fruition.

@brorehma
Why would God put Adam to test when He already knew that Adam will fall?since you said He put him to test.
Like I said earlier the creation of Adam was very good,but never perfect.Adam was merely a prototype of what God had in full veiw,which is Christ.
Adam was created neutral,but He was never Holy.then how do you expect him(Adam)to uphold/OBEY Gods instructions/command which is holy?
Let's digress abit.
Do you think that God gave the children of Israel His laws/command for them to keep?..NO!
The law/command was give to them in full knowledge that they will break it.so by doing so,they will know how completely useeless they are in pleasing/upholding His Laws/command.so that when the law giver/keeper(Christ)comes He will be fully accepted.
There's no perfection in creation in the beginning,though the whole creation was very good,it was never perfected yet.
Perfection of creation was establish on the Cross of calvary.

BroRhema: Ya chuks, i do agree d@ God knew us 4rm the fndation of the earth. However, an0da n0tion was lit in my mind whch is, God only had in His mind the the perfect image of what was to be created, but was oblivious of possibility of what was to b the created to submit totaly to his wil.

Are you perchance suggesting that God's knowledge is imperfect?

I'm sure dis was God's tot because of d first fall(dat of satan n his faction) Thus, He puts man to test. So if the fall of man was designed dat means d fall of satan and d@ of d fallen angels(Gen 6) were designed to0. What i am sure of is, The nature of Gud & Evil ws in existence pre-creation(both dat of the celestial beings n man). I gues, God, lyk i said on my prev. post, to0k afta d Gud nature n detested d nature of evil. So as being our God, He wants us to b of the nature he chose n detest evil.

So, er, where are you reading all this stuff, mm?

In conclusion, we must take n0te dat God doesnt hav absolute/utter control over d decision-making of what He created on d choice of Gud n Evil, because He in s0me point, chose btwn Gud n Evil himself. So there4, n0ne of diz tins dat happened was staged/dsgnd. It was based on decision because of d free-wil to ch0ose.

Sorry, but seriously, which Bible are you reading? I'm a biy too thrown by all the above.