redsun:

The media is part of the game,western propaganda all in the interest of displaced white farmers whose ancestors brutally acquired almost 99 percent of Zimbabwe fertile land in the name of colonization and conquest.

Mugabe is one the best leaders in Africa presently,he tried the impossible by making the vultures pay for their deeds.On gaining independence,British goverment agreed to compesate the people for their land,but till present no money has been given in respect of that.

The puppets oppositions are just going to reverse the whole thing and put the people back on reverse again,people got to pay a price for a fundamental change that will uphold for generations to come,the price of dealing with difficulties that come with embargoes,and the price of learning to be the master rather than servants in their own country.

All the country need is somebody to carry on with the emancipation when mugabe is gone,give him another five years in as much as he is still going strong,i bet he still have some great sex at his age.

redsun:

On gaining independence,british goverment agreed to compesate the people for their land,but till present no money has been given in respect of that.

Jids:


Grow up and think straight. a loaf of bread cost more that 10,000,000 Zimbabwean currency and this is great leader?,

He took the Land back, what has he done with them?, has he continue farming on them?NO,
REST MY CASE

Blatant:

I was amazed to see clips of Zimbabwe in the last couple of days showing decent roads and vehicular transportation with people buying newspapers etc.

The pictures that the western media had hitherto presented to us of Zimbabwe had always been pictures of some dingy, dreary huts showing very old women who are always potrayed as hungry and suffering. The impression has always been projected of Zimbabweans all hungry looking and haggard. What I saw on TV yesterday is contrary to what I have seen for the last 7 years or thereabouts when the media has tried to let me know that Mugabe is evil.

The streets which were shown just reminded me of Alagomeji in Lagos when I was growing up.

Why did the media decide not to show realistics pictures/movies of Zimbabwe till they realised that the end is near for Mugabe?

4 Play:

The TV station you saw the roads in,was it part of the "Eastern media"? Anybody who has been watching news stories about Zimbabwe over the years on TV must have seen many such beautiful places.I know that because I have seen them a lot while watching the BBC.

I find it ludicrous that you could have been watching all these stories on Zimbabwe on TV and never noticed till now.

4 Play:


However,almost all these places were like this during the "apartheid" regime of Ian Smith.Its like coming in 10 years time to tell us that it is because of the ANC that South Africa has beautiful structures.

How do the good roads you saw affect the main issue-that Mugabe's attempts to hold on to power has led to hunger and deprivation in what was one of Africa's most prosperous nations.

Blatant:

Maybe you have been watching a different BBC from the one all of us in my office (I am the only black man here) have been watching   

I think you'll find, if you do a little more research (not necessarily finding your information from the same people or set of organisations) that the hunger and deprivation is not a result of his attempts to hold on to power but a result of sanctions and withdrawals of grants etc.

I'm not a fan of Mugabe's but most people have ascribed too many things to him unfairly

Kobojunkie:

So the MDC ( Zimbabwe Opposition party) is wrong then?? Seems you beleive you have Zimbabwe's problem figured out better than the MDC does?? http://www.mdc.co.zw/economy.asp Do your research, That is the MDC Website there for you to go to and read up on what they believe and probably know better than you do to be the problem in Zimbabwe.

Blatant:

Maybe you have been watching a different BBC from the one all of us in my office (I am the only black man here) have been watching

I think you'll find, if you do a little more research (not necessarily finding your information from the same people or set of organisations) that the hunger and deprivation is not a result of his attempts to hold on to power but a result of sanctions and withdrawals of grants etc.

Blatant:

i'm wary of getting into discussions with you because of your penchant for throwing insults.

However, that is the opposition party's website and you do not expect the opposition party to tell you anything other than evil about the government, or maybe you do
Of course, the MDC knows more than I do about Zimbabwe but while trying to justify your hatred of Mugabe, you are missing my point that the hunger and deprivation is NOT A RESULT OF MUGABE'S ATTEMPTS TO HOLD ON TO POWER but a result of sanctions and and withdrawal of grants which the country had hithero used to good effect.

There is a tragedy of unresolved racial issues in Zimbabwe. And it’s finding expression now in all kinds of ways. Mugabe is able to tap into an undercurrent of anger and resentment that is in fact highly justified. I have been on farms where people literally scuttle away from the farmer. Almost like they are not entitled to be on that same path. They’re not being paid in money, but in kind through the farm shop. Gross exploitation, gross racism.

VP: There was a sense that the government was investing heavily in the social sector. The educational issue was being resolved, and for the first time people in rural areas had access to health care. Here was a government that was committed to change and inclusion. At that time there were no illusions about the big issue of the farms. There was an agreement, the Lancaster House Agreement negotiated in London in 1979-80, that land was not going to be touched for at least 10 years. By then, the ten-year period was elapsing.

The government had encouraged farmers to support the emerging education system and health system by building primary schools and clinics on the big farms. Some became model farms, providing electricity and water – but they really were the exception.

There was a sense that if farmers participated in this, they were going to get brownie points and national credibility. On the news, items would appear about what this or that farmer had done, schools and health centres being opened by ministers. In spite of that, a major study by the Zimbabwean Ministry of Education and the Swedish International Development Agency found that children on commercial farms had the worst access to education of any group.

And then two things hit. The structural adjustment and the drought, almost simultaneously.

IMF/World Bank parachute in

open: Tell us about the structural adjustment.

VP: It happened in ’92/’93. The economy was growing, something like 5-6% a year. And the package was presented as a home-grown policy by some, but in fact it was very much imposed on the government.

AG: By?

VP: Well, by the World Bank and IMF. Structural adjustment programmes were still used as models then, although there was heavy criticism. Now they have been abandoned. But one of the reasons was to expand the industrial base. So major privatisations began. The civil service, providing a huge amount of employment, was decimated.

School fees were introduced in urban areas at primary school level. This was only twelve or thirteen years after the country became independent. Although the schools were stronger, they still had a long way to go. They argued that people had the money in urban centres, but large numbers were living on very low incomes. So they introduced a hardship fund.

The hardship fund seemed completely unworkable, partly because the civil service cuts removed all the structures that could have administered it. So children were dropping out of school, even going to live in the rural areas. They were living with relatives, or building their own homes; sometimes squatting around boarding schools.

Primary school children from the towns would come on buses, with a small amount of money, building huts. I have pictures of a family of children. They’ve built a little playpen in the ground, with sticks for the smaller children. Living without any supervision.

Another issue was the introduction of medical fees. If you weren’t in a position to pay, you weren’t meant to, but it was all very badly administered. So, gradually, the gains made in education and health were being eroded through the structural adjustment. And the drought on top of that had a devastating effect.

As part of the structural adjustment process, the Zimbabweans had been persuaded to sell the grain stores, which they kept for security, but which were expensive. The drought hit just after that. Now that they had no grain stores, they had to start buying in grain with foreign exchange, which came mainly from the commercial farm sector, the only real export sector. There was still no real industrial base. They became more dependent on the commercial farm sector, and its position became more entrenched.

Of course the economy has since continued to decline. The government and Mugabe have been criticised for this. And now they have chosen their whipping boy, in the white farmers

blue-sky:

either this thread is a joke, or your very silly, or just plain stupid.

how can u assume that zimbabwe does not have roads? do u even know anything about zimbabwe, what western media pictures are you on about, because the ones i'm seeing are perfectly fine.

Rant over

doyin13:

The Zimbabwe issue again eh. . . . .

@4play

I have read convincing arguments that point to the pernicious effects which these sanctions have had on the economy
particularly in the access to credit markets. The sanctions go beyond a ban on travelling alone.

It is true that things were already deteriorating prior to the land redistributions, but they undoubtedly have been worsened
under the sanctions regime.

Frankly neither side, Mugabe nor his Western detractors, come out with any credit from the whole crisis.

Mugabe should have handed over the reins of power ages ago, and it is more than a coincidence that the West only grew interested
in the decline of Zimbabwe after Mugabe decided on the course of land redistribution.

IMF Executive Board Upholds Sanctions Against Zimbabwe
Press Release No. 06/45
March 8, 2006
The Executive Board of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) met today to review Zimbabwe's overdue financial obligations to the Fund and consider the sanctions imposed on Zimbabwe. The Board noted that as a result of Zimbabwe's full settlement of its arrears to the IMF's General Resources Account (GRA),1 the Managing Director had withdrawn his complaint with respect to compulsory withdrawal (see Press Release No. 06/33). Following the discussion, the Executive Board decided not to restore Zimbabwe's voting and related rights and not to terminate its ineligibility to use the general resources of the Fund at this juncture.

The Board also considered issues related to Zimbabwe's outstanding arrears to the Poverty Reduction and Growth Facility (PRGF)-Exogenous Shocks Facility (ESF) Trust Fund.2 It noted that Zimbabwe's economic crisis calls for urgent implementation of a comprehensive policy package comprising several mutually reinforcing actions in the area of macroeconomic stabilization and structural reforms. The Board urged Zimbabwe to continue its efforts to resolve the remaining overdue financial obligations to the PRGF-ESF Trust, and agreed that the Fund will consider further Zimbabwe's overdue financial obligations to the PRGF-ESF Trust within six months of the date of this decision.
Because GRA and PRGF arrears are subject to separate legal frameworks, the various decisions taken by the Executive Board to address outstanding arrears to the PRGF-ESF Trust remain in place. Therefore, Zimbabwe remains excluded from the list of PRGF-eligible countries (see Press Release No. 01/40).

Zimbabwe has been in continuous arrears since February 2001 and is the only case of protracted arrears to the PRGF-ESF Trust, which currently amount to SDR 83 million (about US$119 million).

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/2006/pr0645.htm

News Release
Financial Sanctions: Zimbabwe
2 August 2005

With the publication of Commission Regulation (EC) No 1272/2005 in the Official Journal of the European Union, (O.J. L201, p.40) on 2 August 2005, the Commission of the European Communities has amended the list of those subject to the financial sanctions applicable to various individual members of the Government of Zimbabwe and various persons associated with them. The list of targeted persons set out in the Annex to Commission Regulation (EC) No 1272/2005 amends the list of targeted persons in Annex III to Council Regulation (EC) No 314/2004, as amended and replaced by the Annex to Commission Regulation (EC) No 898/2005.

The Bank of England, on behalf of Her Majesty’s Treasury, therefore announces that with immediate effect all funds or economic resources belonging to the persons listed in Annex III to Council Regulation (EC) No 314/2004, as amended by the Annex to Commission Regulation (EC) No 1272/2005, must be frozen. No funds or economic resources are to be made available, directly or indirectly, to or for the benefit of the listed persons. Financial institutions and other bodies and persons in the UK must check whether they maintain any accounts or otherwise hold any funds for the individuals named and, if so, they should freeze the accounts or other funds and report the accounts or other funds and amounts frozen to the Bank of England.

Copies of this Commission Regulation and previous Regulations, and the related Bank Notices, regarding the financial sanctions regime against Zimbabwe are available from the Financial Sanctions pages.



http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/news/2005/084.htm

redsun:

Read the book,The Black Peril,White virtue-Sexual And Racial Crime In Southern Rhodesia by Jock McColloch,a more or less white believer who could not but give a faint picture of the brutallity of the white settlers on indiginous africans,and this continues till present day and yet africans still see whiteman's food basket as blessing to africans,hungry mamafuckers who can't feed themselves just because they don't believe.

How can you solve a problem you don't understand?africans are living in a limbo,decieved by organize religions and psychological traumas as a result of colonial brutality and deceits

redsun:

Reflect on men like Mao of china.