It's getting tough out there. I meet people who are in the church system all the time, many I love and care about, and I would say 99% defend the Catholic church as being a fellow Christian church and the people within it as "Christians". While many are simply being left ignorant in their false churches, many Christians lose friends when they tell them the truth about what they believe about Rome, and tell others to separate from the Rome-loving churches.
Honestly, Roman Catholicism is that line in the sand between the Christians who discern what the Bible warns of, and the false ecumenical types, who have allowed the false preachers to lead them off to perdition. Now remember many in the pews, simply do not know better, they need the gospel, to be born again and the truth, and we should have a heart of love for them, but realize Catholicism is that line in the sand. Why are so many of the false pastors uniting with Rome or it's ecumenical movement?
I am also realizing that more mainline churches such as Lutheran ones are being marched off to embracing more and more Catholic teachings, such as a semblance of the Real Precense now being even more emphasized then before. We see how the Emergent church movement, and other deceptions have led everyone closer to Catholic beliefs, teachings and embracing of the Pope as a religious leader. "Protestant" is an interesting term, a very loaded term in some ways, as it seemed to be like a name someone would give a teenager rebelling against "Mom and Dad" [PROTEST-PROTESTANT]
Whose protesting anymore by the way?
One frightening conversation I had recently was with this very nice lady who seems to seek after God, but once I told her my beliefs about Catholicism, she was astounded that I did not believe the communion wafer was really the body and blood of "jesus". I quoted this verse to her:
Mat 15:17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
Hopefully I got her thinking.
With Catholicism, as many of you can attest, those who know the truth, are few and far between. I even encountered those in fundamentalist churches who saw me as driving way too hard a line. Thankfully that pastor saw the RCC as the harlot too but that is extremely rare out there.
If you have not seen this video on my blog, I think it is one of the most important things I have ever shown and decided to show it again, notice how the leaders of a vast variety of denominations bow before the Pope showing their allegiance. Notice he himself does not bow to them. Now put this in a biblical frame work, about what Revelation 17-18 says about the "mother of all abominations" and the "daughters". Recall what I have told you about sun worship and how the false religions of Hinduism, Buddhism, Mormonism, etc, are members of Mystery Babylon with Rome leading the charge and their inherent beliefs all overlap.
I believe once one is born again, the Holy Spirit will show a person what the Catholic church really is about, and that the Mass is total blasphemy against Jesus. When I was born again, I wanted to throw up, when I realized what the Mass was truly about, and that it had a false "Christian" veneer to basically what is a "mass" ritual set up to dishonor God. Think about why "jesus" is presented "dead" on Catholic crucifixes all over the world, with his head slouched over. There is a reason for that.
When someone comes to know the real Jesus Christ, there is no excusing or loving the false Mass and it's communion wafer idol.
This of course applies to the daughters, the person listening to God's directions will be warned about other false churches and must obey to come out. Use The Catholic church as a test for preachers. I always have. The false ones, will praise, excuse, and consider Roman Catholicism as "another Christian" church just like Chuck Smith did the other week. This post is to help you show exactly WHAT they are playing footsie with.
Now there are those who have a conscience seeking after God even in the most false places, but I believe once someone is truly born again, is they obey God and leave. Four months before salvation and when I left the Roman Catholic church just days later, I stopped taking it's communion wafer and saying "Amen" to the question "The Body of Christ?" in the line to get the wafer. So I believe the Lord was showing me things then. Of course, this applies to once the Holy Spirit has given you warnings about ending up in a daughter or another false church. This is why if you learn the truth about another church, your duty is to obey God and do as He tells you. If a church is in service to Rome, and united with it, they are in service to Baal.
There are things about Catholicism, that many Christians who have never been Catholic do not realize. This may be sort of a hard-hitting post, but one thing I want to emphasize, one of Satan's most masterful tricks is the Catholic Mass. Do not blame the people in the pews, they have had the blindfolds given to them by Satan and false leaders. They need the truth instead. I know some Catholics may even see this post and may be upset by it but sometimes that is the risk of telling the truth. I had my days when seeking the truth online while in the Catholic church, I remember the websites that told me the RCC was the harlot. Thank God for those websites, that cut through the ecumenical muck.
One thing remember with this article, Mystery Babylon overlaps in it's different false religions, I may be eluding to "witchcraft" but false rituals among a variety of false religions remain consistently the same.
Most in the pews think they are following "god" and do not realize what is happening. I did not either, as a Catholic, I had been trained from childhood on, to see the Mass as "holy" and as "god's will" and to believe the Eucharist wafer was really "jesus's" body and blood and that only a fully and properly ordained Catholic priest had the power to turn the wafer into 'god". [Google Transubstantiation, if you are new to this blog and vague, on Catholic teachings, yes Catholics believe they are truly eating the body and blood of "god"]
Here is one thing that may surprise you. During the Catholic Mass, The priest has to say the FORMULA and not miss ONE WORD, to get the wafer to "confect" supposely change into "jesus": THIS IS is the same as spellcraft, miss one word, and the spell fails. Witches and others who do "magic" know that "getting the words exact" is part of the deal. Does that surprise you that if the priest gets one word WRONG, the wafer does not "presto chango"? It is some serious stuff to think about if you ponder it long.
see here:
20. Defects on the part of the form may arise if anything is missing from the complete wording required for the act of consecrating. Now the words of the Consecration, which are the form of this Sacrament, are: Hoc est enim Corpus meum, and Hic est enim Calix Sanguinis mei, novi et aeterni testamenti: mysterium fidei: qui pro vobis et pro multis effundetur in remissionem peccatorum. If the priest were to shorten or change the form of the consecration of the Body and the Blood, so that in the change of wording the words did not mean the same thing, he would not be achieving a valid Sacrament---DE DEFECTIBUS: Papal Bull by Pope Pius V
Since this is a Trad Catholic link above, I'll give a more modern one from EWTN:
Valid Mass again
Question from on 10-03-2005: At mass this very old priest says "for many" instead of "for all" since really the most accurate translation of the Latin is "for many" than its vaild but so is "for all" because it is apporved translation. If any priest where to follow the accurate translation of the Latin completly I don't see how it could be invalid. The difference isnt that great, the words are mostly synomous. This is my humble thought. What do you think?
Answer by Rev. Mark J. Gantley, JCL on 10-06-2005:
Changing the words of institution (the "form" ) invalidates the consecration.
Now following this topic, Keep in mind that the Catholic Mass is taught as a SACRIFICE. They basically are teaching that a sacrifice contrary to Hebrews 10, is being conducted on their Catholic altars. Think of the blasphemy alone here when Hebrews tells us the true sacrifice of Jesus Christ was finished once for all:
Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Witches also use CHALICES {usually of a precious metal or ceramic too} on their altars. If you build an altar and are a witch, "The Chalice" is an integral part of it.. Even other false religions use the Chalice as both a symbol and ritual item. The symbol for the Unitarian Universalist church is the Chalice and has a center spot in every Unitarian church, they light a candle in the middle of theirs. [Jesus drank out of a cup, not some fancy GOLDEN chalice with a hand-tooled ornamentation]
Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Nothing about it being golden:
Golden cups are warned about more then once in the Bible...
Jer 51:7 Babylon [hath been] a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
The Catholic church even has endless rituals to "consecrate" their golden chalices. See here
Then, removing the mitre, he says the following over the chalice and paten (chalices and patens):
C: The Lord be with you.
All: May He also be with you.
Let us pray.
Almighty everlasting God, we beg you to impart to our hands the virtue of your blessing, so that by our blessing this vessel and paten (these vessels and patens) may be hallowed and become, by the grace of the Holy Spirit, a new sepulchre for the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ; through Christ our Lord.
Think of that one, where they say a new sepulchre [TOMB] and the inherent BLASPHEMY.
As I said Chalices too, often of precious metals are used in witchcraft upon an altar.
The chalice has long been a staple of many religious practices. Most of the world's many religions use a chalice of one type or another as a necessary tool to conducting rituals. Different chalices have gone down in history (or myth) as priceless holy objects, such as the Holy Grail, or the Great Chalice of Antioch.
The Wiccan chalice serves as a representation of the feminine energies, and holds the Element of Water. The chalice serves to remind us of the Goddess during the Great Rite, as the athame represents the God. In rituals that do not involve a Great Rite, the chalice is often passed around the circle, containing wine, water, or some other liquid to be ritualistically sipped, the remainder generally being spilled onto the ground as an offering to the Gods.
Ok see that part about the remainder spilled onto the ground? This is done in other pagan religions as well.
Did you know that in Catholicism as well as many other liturgical churches such as Lutheran ones, left over "blessed wine", is not poured down the sink, but poured into a special drain, that goes into the earth?
It is called a piscina and sacarium
A piscina is a shallow basin placed near the altar of a church, used for washing the communion vessels. The sacrarium is the drain itself, it goes directly into the ground.
Sacrarium – The left sink in the sacristy into which water from the cleansing of sacred vessels is poured. It does not drain into the sewer but directly into the ground.
Even the items used for Communion will be washed in these special sinks to make sure the Eucharist crumbs or wine end up going into the ground instead of plumbing pipes.
Yes I know it is strange, to examine some of these rituals and traditions.
Here is one thing Spells can be spoken in English in witchcraft, but the most strong spells are known to be in LATIN, even modern witches use Latin on and off for spellcraft. Well we know that the Mass used to all be said in Latin and they are going back to it today.
Why is there a correlation between the language used for the Catholic Mass for centuries [prior to Vatican 2] and the favored language among witches? Even in the Harry Potter movies they had Harry casting the spells in Latin.
Here is another thing, every Catholic altar table has to have a RELIC [or basically the part of a dead person installed into it, to be valid. Any true Christian assembly does not need an altar knowing that there are no more sacrifices, because Jesus Christ's perfect one is finished, Hebrews 10:11. Now Catholic priests can use other tables, under special clauses such as ones during war, etc, but every Catholic altar you see in churches has a RELIC installed into. Did you know that the RCC teaches that one of THOSE RELICS--DEAD BODY PARTS...has to be PRESENT for the MASS to be VALID?
Bodies of the saints, parts of the bodies, something used by the saints, or objects touched to the bodies of the saints that have enjoyed for centures the reverence offered by the Church. There are three kinds: first-class (part of a saint's body); second-class, (something used by the saint); third-class (an object touched to a first-class relic); First-class relics of martyrs are placed in an altar when it is consecrated."--Peter M. J. Stravinskas, ed., Catholic Dictionary, (c) 1993, Our Sunday Visitor, Inc, p.419
and
"This is a small square or oblong chamber in the body of the altar, in which are placed, according to the "Pontificale Romanum" (De Eccles. Consecratione) the relics of two canonized martyrs although the Cong. Sac. Rit. (16 February, l906) decided that if the relic of only one martyr is placed in it the consecration is valid , to these may be properly added the relics of other saints, especially of those in whose honour the church of the altar is consecrated. These relics must be actual portions of the saints' bodies, not simply of their garments or of other objects which they may have used or touched; the relics must, moreover be authenticated."
Things get pretty creepy here.
Canon 1237, 2 states: "The ancient tradition of placing relics of martyrs or other saints under a fixed altar is to be preserved, according to the norms given in the liturgical books."
The Rite of Dedication of an Altar #11 states: "It is fitting to continue the tradition in the Roman liturgy of placing relics of martyrs or other saints beneath the altar. But the follwoing should be noted. a. Such relics should be of a size sufficient for them to be recognizable as parts of human bodies. Hence excessively small relics of one or more saints must not be placed beneath an altar. b. The greatest care must be taken to determine whether the relics in question are authentic. It is better for an altar to be dedicated without relics than to have relics of doubtful authenticity placed beneath it. c. A reliquiary must not be placed on the altar or set into the table of the altar, but placed beneath the table of the altar, as the design of the altar permits. When the rite of depositing relics takes place, it is highly recommended to keep a vigil at the relics of the martyr or saint."
Creeped out yet? Because I sure am.
Keep Jesus's words in mind here too..
Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.
Caption under this picture: "Central altar with the relic of John Paul II's blood in a glass case."
Some churches take this requirement to town....[there are altars even with skulls, other bodies parts and even ENTIRE BODIES such as this one in a church in Missouri.
Now in Paganism and Wicca, BONES [animal] are used too on the altars. Hoodoo even has used the casting of chicken bones as well as other paganism and traditional native religions such as the witchdoctor casting bones or using animal parts in rituals.
That said wasn't an altar defiled in the book of Kings, using human bones? Even in the Old Testament, corpses were viewed as UNCLEAN.
Anyhow ponder to yourself why do they feel the planting DEAD BODY PARTS in their altars is necessary?
Another item of witchcraft has been the use of bells within the Mass:
In the Roman Catholic Church and in some churches of the Anglican Communion, an altar bell is a small bell placed on the credence or in some other convenient place on the epistle side of the altar. Its original intention was to draw the parishioners' attention to the occurrence of transubstantiation (especially for those present who did not follow the Latin Mass).
Generally speaking, modern usage is to ring the bell briefly at the epiclesis, and then to ring at the elevation of the Host and again at the elevation of the chalice. In some places it may also be rung at the priest's communion.
1½" high brass bells in various shapes. Ideal for ritual and calling the elemental energies. Make a beautiful, high, clear sound. -The ringing of a bell unleashes vibrations which have powerful effects. The bell is often used to invoke the Goddess in ritual. Bells are rung during rituals to signal the beginning or ending of a spell.
and of course other members of Mystery Babylon jump on the bus, using bells in rituals. Here is a Buddhist Altar Bell.
Some ex-Catholics here are old enough to remember when they rang bells at Mass, today it is optional and depends on the locale, but it is still done in many of the churches. The timing of the bell ringing is important as the bells were run at the time, they believed the "wafer became god" or became transubstantiated. Think about that.
The Holy See has maintained the practice of ringing the bell at the consecration in St. Peter's Basilica, although it has an excellent sound system. I also had the experience of a parish that restored the use of the signal bell after many years without it. Not only were there no complaints but the general reaction was very positive from all age groups. ZE05082321"
The Catholic Mass has nothing to do with Christianity and is an abomination. Here I have only lightly touched on some of it's pagan/witchcraft aspects. There are more. The whole ritual is Satanic in nature. The Catholic Mass breaks Hebrews 6:6 and seeks to dishonor Jesus by 're-representing" [repeating] sacrifices on their altars. It is full of satanic witchcraft and paganism to honor it's false "jesus" and idol, The Eucharist. This is the religion, that Chuck Smith sees as "Christian", where Mr. Jim Bob Duggar has no problem joining with for politics, and the head of the pack that is forming the one world religion.
If you are Catholic and reading this, I once was Catholic, and know it can be difficult to find out the truth. Turn to the true Jesus Christ and leave the false Eucharist and Mass behind. How to be saved.
Sincerely I have a lot of thing that I will like you to explain better for me but before I do that, I just have one simple question for you which I hope you will simply answer, DIRECTLY without trying to divert, I am saying this because of my personal experience with you. let me start like this; My name is LOVETHYWILBEDON. I am a CATHOLIC and I REALLY WANT TO DIE A CATHOLIC. Nown let us assume that after reading through your post on this thread, I discovered that the Catholic Church is "fake" and I want to leave the Church, [Q] What is the NAME of the CHURCH you will lik me to JOIN and tell me just FIVE things this very church does better than the Catholic Church?
Lovethywilbedon: Sincerely I have a lot of thing that I will like you to explain better for me but before I do that, I just have one simple question for you which I hope you will simply answer, DIRECTLY without trying to divert, I am saying this because of my personal experience with you. let me start like this; My name is LOVETHYWILBEDON. I am a CATHOLIC and I REALLY WANT TO DIE A CATHOLIC. Nown let us assume that after reading through your post on this thread, I discovered that the Catholic Church is "fake" and I want to leave the Church, [Q] What is the NAME of the CHURCH you will lik me to JOIN and tell me just FIVE things this very church does better than the Catholic Church?
amanda2013: * yawns* let me go and prepare 4 evening mass joor.
Dear sister, if after the truth has been revealed to you , you reject it and continue to follow vain traditions, your blood is on your head and I say this out of LOVE.
I really feel for you Frosbel. The energy you dissipate each day castigating the catholic church can be spent winning more pagans and non Christians into the Christian fold. I say this to you also out of Love too. I am also advising you that when you preach to non Christians, don't start with the catholic church this and that. Tell them about the love of God and ask God to use you as an instrument to spread peace and Love.
The more you criticise the church, the more it grows. The master himself said, The Gates of Hell Will not Prevail against it. Nothing you sayor do will ever stop the catholic church. Ask Martin Luther, ask the Russians. I look forward to the day you will post on Nairaland that you won so so and so new converts. Stop fishing in another mans pond, using terrible gimmicks.
Please find something better to do with your life. Shalom
Dear sister, if after the truth has been revealed to you , you reject it and continue to follow vain traditions, your blood is on your head and I say this out of LOVE.
okpurukata: I really feel for you Frosbel. The energy you dissipate each day castigating the catholic church can be spent winning more pagans and non Christians into the Christian fold. I say this to you also out of Love too. I am also advising you that when you preach to non Christians, don't start with the catholic church this and that. Tell them about the love of God and ask God to use you as an instrument to spread peace and Love.
The more you criticise the church, the more it grows. The master himself said, The Gates of Hell Will not Prevail against it. Nothing you sayor do will ever stop the catholic church. Ask Martin Luther, ask the Russians. I look forward to the day you will post on Nairaland that you won so so and so new converts. Stop fishing in another mans pond, using terrible gimmicks.
Please find something better to do with your life. Shalom
And let me also tell you that for blaspheming against the holy Eucharist, you are liable to judgement. Ask many Catholics and non Catholics, the numb of testimonies that have been recorded just by going to pray to Jesus in the sanctuary of the Blessed sacrament. It's amazing. I cannot be able to list all I have personally experienced praying in the sanctuary. God has done great things for me. Healings, pregnancies, financial growth, etc. we Catholics don't go about advertising miracles and testimonies because they are not the major reason we are Christians. We do not need to see like Thomas to believe. We Believe, firmly that Jesus came, died and resurrected all for mankind. His greatest message was LOVE. Every other sign, follows those who believe. I tell you, Jesus is present in the blessed sacrament of the Eucharist. He said This is my Body, and indeed if you believe, my dear, you recieve his body.
For unbelievers like you, since you do not believe, please stop criticizing what you don't know. Better keep quiet over what you don't know than continue to make a fool of your self.
okpurukata: I really feel for you Frosbel. The energy you dissipate each day castigating the catholic church can be spent winning more pagans and non Christians into the Christian fold. I say this to you also out of Love too. I am also advising you that when you preach to non Christians, don't start with the catholic church this and that. Tell them about the love of God and ask God to use you as an instrument to spread peace and Love.
The more you criticise the church, the more it grows. The master himself said, The Gates of Hell Will not Prevail against it. Nothing you sayor do will ever stop the catholic church. Ask Martin Luther, ask the Russians. I look forward to the day you will post on Nairaland that you won so so and so new converts. Stop fishing in another mans pond, using terrible gimmicks.
Please find something better to do with your life. Shalom
Pygru: Proverbs 16:25 King James Version (KJV) 25 There is a way that seemeth right unto aman, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
I am not surprised you didn't answer the simple question. Okay but I am already following Jesus while In the Catholic Church, but going by the "Nice" information you posted on this thread and every other thing you have commented on Nairaland, you are suggesting that the Catholic Church is "fake", that the Catholic Church is not the "TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY CHRIST", that the Catholic Church is not the right place to FOLLOW JESUS. Now for a Catholic who had gone throurg this your thread and is now convince that she/he is follow Christ in the "Wrong Church" and "haven decided to leave the Catholic Church", PLEASE I beg you in the name of God (because this is somthing concerning his or her Salvation) Tell me "THE NAME OF THIS TRUE CHURCH", I mean an "ALTERNATIVE CHURCH" that he or she can JOIN, so as to follow Jesus in the Right way (as you Frosbel is doing right now). Also, tell me just 5 good things this VERY CHURCH can do Better or more, than the Catholic Church. SINCERELY *Frosbel* when you Condemn something you are supposed to have an Alternative. UNTILL you NAME this ALTERNATIVE CHURCH with the 5 or atleast 3 things they do better, I have no other option, but from hence forth consider you as nothing but A "HERETICAL BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITE" [HBH]. Thanks.
Lovethywilbedon: I am not surprised you didn't answer the simple question. Okay but I am already following Jesus while In the Catholic Church, but going by the "Nice" information you posted on this thread and every other thing you have commented on Nairaland, you are suggesting that the Catholic Church is "fake", that the Catholic Church is not the "TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY CHRIST", that the Catholic Church is not the right place to FOLLOW JESUS. Now for a Catholic who had gone throurg this your thread and is now convince that she/he is follow Christ in the "Wrong Church" and "haven decided to leave the Catholic Church", PLEASE I beg you in the name of God (because this is somthing concerning his or her Salvation) Tell me "THE NAME OF THIS TRUE CHURCH", I mean an "ALTERNATIVE CHURCH" that he or she can JOIN, so as to follow Jesus in the Right way (as you Frosbel is doing right now). Also, tell me just 5 good things this VERY CHURCH can do Better or more, than the Catholic Church. SINCERELY *Frosbel* when you Condemn something you are supposed to have an Alternative. UNTILL you NAME this ALTERNATIVE CHURCH with the 5 or atleast 3 things they do better, I have no other option, but from hence forth consider you as nothing but A "HERETICAL BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITE" [HBH]. Thanks.
Hello Sis,
My alternative is JESUS.
We are the CHURCH , the CHURCH is not PHYSICAL but Spiritual.
The CHURCH meets to fellowship etc.
Jesus loves you, leave Mary worship and devour the precious words of scripture,
We are the CHURCH , the CHURCH is not PHYSICAL but Spiritual.
The CHURCH meets to fellowship etc.
Jesus loves you, leave Mary worship and devour the precious words of scripture,
Blessings.
(1)I have told you that I have found Jesus in a church named The Holy Roman Catholic Church, but you HBH(*Frosbel*) said in your post that I should leave my Church, because we are in the wrong place. Okay (2) I then asked you to "NAME" an "ALTERNATIVE CHURCH" that I can JOIN if I leave the Catholic Church, with 5, I even reduced it to 3 good thing they do better than us, just to make thing easy for you, but for two times you failed to provide any of these.(3)Now do you see the reason why I will REMAIN AND DIE in Jesus as a CATHOLIC, because you can't NAME a better Church for someone who wants to leave. It is an act of deliberate Hypocrisy to criticize a Church when you can't NAME another one better than her, therefore I maintain that from now hence forth, as far as am concerned you are nothing but A "HERETICAL BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITE"(HBH). QED.
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