isale_ggan: There are 2 more pieces to the above; I shall commence posting as soon as our beatific mod releases me regular moniker.

BTW, Katsumoto is good people. He just is a robotic dispassionate 'Japanese Samurai' when debating policy. Dude is harmless. And humourless. Typical Economist. What's your major, Kats?


***Runs and hide while singing, "ding dong the witch is. . .!"***

Sunny_bobo: RIP the Iron lady

JeSoul: You welcomes most honorable sis. Post the rest...you back is watched!

@thread, just wanted to say fantastic discussion from Kat, Cap, Shy, Vol & others. I'm learning a lot from your exchanges and thanks for keeping it civil! this is how to spar without throwing mud.

Katsumoto:

Sis

My ancestors told me not to accept shortened versions of my name but if I must, it should be Kats or Katz. Kat is not on.

JeSoul:
Mehn...these our ancestors are not playing oh... okay, make I correct...

Sir, Elder, Chief, His Excellency KATSUMOTO! more layers to your agbada, sir!

and I hope one bowl of fresh kolanut and a chilled bottle of schnapps will suffice to appease and straighten any feathers I ruffled

JeSoul:
Mehn...these our ancestors are not playing oh... okay, make I correct...

Sir, Elder, Chief, His Excellency KATSUMOTO! more layers to your agbada, sir!

ShymmexLion: Kats fi tek all the bludclart women inna da thread, ya noe...

Kats da pi.mp - rasta fi luv yuh rasclart stylee.

Reskpekt bruddah.

Jah bless..

[size=14pt]Margaret Thatcher made the north of Ireland a more bitterly divided place[/size]

Her government's policies handed draconian military powers over to the securocrats, and subverted basic human rights

Margaret Thatcher was a hugely divisive figure in British politics. And for the people of Ireland, and especially the north, the Thatcher years were among some of the worst of the conflict. Her policy decisions entrenched sectarian divisions, handed draconian military powers over to the securocrats, and subverted basic human rights.

Thatcher refused to recognise the right of citizens to vote for representatives of their choice. She famously changed the law after Bobby Sands was elected in Fermanagh and South Tyrone. And when I and several other Sinn Féin leaders were elected to the Assembly in 1982 we were barred from entry to Britain.

Margaret Thatcher's government defended structured political and religious discrimination and political vetting in the north, legislated for political censorship and institutionalised, to a greater extent than ever before, collusion between British state forces and unionist death squads.

It was under her leadership that in 1982 that the Force Research Unit (FRU) was established within the British Army Intelligence Corps. This unit recruited agents who were then used to kill citizens. Among them was loyalist Brian Nelson, a former British soldier and member of the Ulster Defence Association.

Nelson travelled to South Africa where he helped negotiate a deal that saw the UDA, UVF and Ulster Resistance acquire AK-47 automatic rifles, pistols, grenades, and RPG rocket launchers in late 1987 or early 1988. The Thatcher government was across all the details of this shipment. Its impact on the streets of the north is evident in the statistics of death. In the three years prior to receiving these weapons the loyalist death squads killed 34 people. In the three years after the shipment they killed 224 and wounded scores more.

But it was the killing of human rights lawyer Pat Finucane in February 1989 that reveals the depth of the Thatcher government's state collusion policy. At every level of his killing, British agents and agencies had a hand: the leader of the UDA group that carried out the killing was a Special Branch agent, as was the man who confessed to being the gunman, and the man who supplied the gun. And, of course, Nelson provided the intelligence.

Thatcher will be especially remembered for her shameful role during the epic hunger strikes of 1980 and 81. The Thatcher government believed that the criminalisation of the republican prisoners would break the republican struggle. It was not interested in a resolution.

The events of that awful summer of '81 polarised Irish society, north and south. It was a watershed moment in Irish politics. Government policy during the 1980s was little more than a war policy, aimed at defeating or isolating republicanism. Its strategies included the shallow and ineffectual 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement which was about creating a political alliance involving the Dublin establishment, the SDLP and the British to defeat Irish republicanism.

Shoot-to-kill actions by British forces also significantly increased. This was most evident in the shooting dead of three unarmed IRA activists in Gibraltar in March 1988. It is my view that Thatcher authorised the killings at Gibraltar. Later, when the BBC and ITV scheduled two programmes about Gibraltar, Thatcher tried to stop them. She was "outraged" when the programmes went ahead. Later that year she introduced the broadcasting ban on Sinn Féin, which prevented viewers and listeners hearing my voice.

In 1990 Thatcher authorised the then British secretary of state Peter Brooke to reopen back-channel negotiations with republicans. We were wary of this. However, for almost a decade Sinn Féin had been patently trying to build a peace process and unfolding events on the world stage – including the dismantling of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany, and the release of Mandela – were evidence that governments, and apparently intractable situations, could change. So we agreed to reactivate the back channel.

For Thatcher it all ended months later in November 1990 when she was forced to resign. She was evicted from Downing Street with all the ruthlessness, treachery and warped humanity of what passes for high politics. Thatcher's 11 years of dictating British policy in Ireland was a legacy of bitterness and entrenched division. Her Irish policy failed miserably.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/09/thatcher-legacy-bitterness-north-ireland

[size=14pt]Clearing up the mess that Margaret Thatcher left[/size]

Margaret Thatcher was good at destruction. Some say she revolutionised British politics – certainly never again could people say nobody would vote for a woman – but it served a reactionary end. The seismic shift from industry to financial-based capitalism that Thatcherism ushered in rattled the establishment. But, as the prince in Lampedusa's The Leopard says: "For things to remain the same, everything must change."

Thatcher's unwavering belief in the invisible hand of the market meant that she did not believe it was part of her job description to put anything in its place. A big decline in traditional industries took place across Europe and the US in the 80s and 90s. What was different in Britain was that she assumed no responsibility to minimise social disruption or to create new jobs and industries.

Instead state assets and a huge income stream from North sea oil were used to fund a populist programme of tax cuts, privatisation and council house sales. The family silver was squandered on bribing voters rather than modernising the economy.

There is a paradox. Thatcher's social instincts were always nostalgic conservative. The great contradiction in her politics was that someone who yearned for the certainties of small-town shopkeeper economics helped create the amoral yuppiedom of 80s excess and an explosion of cultural resistance that is still an ironic positive legacy of her time in power. Adam Smith's invisible hand ended up raising two fingers to her moral project.

And for all the tributes being paid by ministers this week, the issues at the top of the government's agenda are all to do with clearing up the mess she created. Above all has been the hollowing out of the labour market.

The 70s was Britain's most equal decade. The jobs that went during the 80s tended to be good, skilled jobs, delivering decent incomes and some security. She failed to replace those jobs with well-paid equivalents. Demonising unions and stripping the great mass of private-sector workers of a voice and power in the workplace is still the root of the great living standards crisis that saw the share of wealth going to wages slide long before Lehman Brothers failed.

Even the nasty politics of "welfare reform" is driven by the high cost of subsidising low pay through in-work benefits, and indifference to the plight of jobless communities who have never recovered from de-industrialisation.

The financial crash of 2008 was a direct result of the policies Thatcher championed. The dominance of finance in the economy and the failure of bank regulation flowed from her belief that markets should always be left to themselves. The credit boom – both here and in the USA – may have gone against her Grantham roots but was an equally inevitable result of deregulation and the temptation of easy loans for people hungry to improve living standards.

There is now, however, an opportunity to commit to a new politics that learns lessons from her ambition yet undoes the damage and focuses on reconstruction. A massive programme of social housing would be a good place to start, stimulating the economy. Arguably, it was not the sale of council houses that was the problem, but the failure to replace the stock and maintain a sufficient supply of affordable homes. A great windfall in the short-term for asset-owners – one form of inflation she encouraged – but disastrous for future generations.

Thatcher's opposition to a positive role for the state in industrial policy caused her grief even during her time in office, but a cross-party consensus newly shaped by Michael Heseltine's report has given him the last word. At its heart must be an active programme to create good jobs and raise living standards. We must reduce the inequality that has seen a super-rich elite, openly contemptuous of the flag and family values Thatcher proclaimed, float free from the rest of us.

Thatcher was suspicious of democracy. She preferred markets, and a strong but minimal central state that backed their rule. She abolished city-wide local government, capped spending and expected the poll tax to further undermine alternative voices.

This is the area where we need to make progress – not just in restoring strong local government, but in understanding that democracy means more than a Westminster vote. I will know that we have finally broken from the kind of capitalism that she championed and which died in 2008 when we see workers elected on to company boards.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/09/clearing-up-margaret-thatchers-mess

shymexx: [size=18pt]Time to start posting Lady Thatcher's legacy!![/size]

[b]Thatcher’s legacy
9 April 2013


Margaret Thatcher, the friend of Chile’s fascist dictator General Augusto Pinochet and supporter of the apartheid system of racial discrimination in South Africa, has died of a stroke at the age of 87.
Neither the media’s eulogies to Thatcher as a great stateswoman, nor the staging of a day of national mourning complete with military honours, can conceal the fact that she died arguably the most hated figure in British politics.


Most working people will have greeted the announcement of her demise with cold indifference, contempt, and, in some cases, celebration. Impromptu street parties were underway in several cities within hours of her death.
Comparisons have been made repeatedly between Thatcher and Winston Churchill. They are inappropriate. A right-wing defender of British imperialism, not even Churchill’s opponents would deny his obvious political stature. At a time of acute crisis, he was able to invoke history and make an appeal to social layers far beyond his natural constituency in the ruling elite. In contrast there is not a single intelligent remark that can be cited as coming from Thatcher, only inane sound-bites tailored to a supportive press such as “The lady’s not for turning.”
Margaret Hilda Roberts embodied everything that is narrow-minded and philistine in the English middle class. She was preoccupied solely with self-advancement and enrichment, owing much of her success to having secured a rich husband. Her political talents, such as they were, consisted of the nasty cunning and ruthlessness of the social climber.
Of far more interest than her personal biography are the historical circumstances that enabled such a relative non-entity and political sociopath—epitomised by her declaration, “There is no such thing as society”—to rise to such a position of prominence.
Thatcher’s ascent to the leadership of the Conservative Party in 1975 expressed the right-wing shift in British and international politics that developed with the receding of the wave of explosive class struggles that had wracked Europe between 1968 and 1975. She was the chosen vessel of the most corrupt and reactionary elements within the British ruling class—those most bitter at her predecessor Edward Heath’s defeat by the miners’ strike of 1974.
Thatcher is indelibly associated with the presidency of Ronald Reagan—with her espousal of the monetarism of Milton Friedman complementing the pursuit of “Reaganomics” in the United States. Aimed at removing all limits on private wealth accumulation, her premiership (1979-1990) was conducted under the banner of “rolling back” the frontiers of socialism. By this was meant the overturning of all the social gains won by the working class in the post-war period.
Her political appeal, such as it was, was directed primarily to a section of the upper middle class who were promised a get-rich-quick scheme to be funded by tax cuts, a fire-sale of public assets, and a speculative boom. The destruction of industry and deregulation of the City of London was accompanied by union-busting, attacks on welfare and an aggressive assertion of the interests of British imperialism. The result was mass unemployment and violent class conflict.
Among Thatcher’s crimes now being airbrushed from the historical record by the media was her key role in the death by starvation of Sinn Fein MP Bobby Sands and nine other prisoners of the British state in Northern Ireland in 1981. One year later, she launched, for electoral advantage, the war against Argentina over the Malvinas/Falkland islands, during which the retreating ARA General Belgrano light cruiser was deliberately sunk outside the exclusion zone arbitrarily imposed by the UK, at the cost of 323 lives. Thatcher’s South Atlantic adventure led to 900 deaths and forever scarred the lives of many more.
Portrayed as the “Iron Lady”, Thatcher’s great advantage, which accounted for all her much vaunted victories, was that she only ever confronted enemies that were determined to lose.
This was certainly the case with the Argentine Junta. And most important of all, her assault on the working class enjoyed the active support of the labour and trade union bureaucracy. Electorally she relied on the formation of the Social Democratic Party by a section of the Labour Party to stay in power, but above all she depended on the systematic demobilisation of mass opposition to her government by Labour in alliance with the Trades Union Congress.
This reached its climax in the isolation and betrayal of the year-long miners’ strike in 1984-85, during which some 20,000 miners were injured, 13,000 arrested, 200 imprisoned, almost 1,000 summarily sacked, and two were killed on picket lines.
The miners’ defeat was the signal for the open abandonment by the trade unions and Labour of any defence of the social interests of the working class. “New realism” became the code-word for renouncing any notion of class struggle and workers’ solidarity, the embrace of the “free market” and Labour’s transformation into an overt right-wing party of big business.
Even as Labour was busy adopting “Thatcherism”, however, her perspective was unravelling.
In the absence of any opposition from the Labour Party and the unions, it was left to her own deeply-divided party to unceremoniously dump her in 1990 in order to stave off electoral disaster. By then, the socially destructive consequences of Thatcher’s retrograde economic and social nostrums were all too apparent. In little more than a decade, the conditions of the working class had been sharply reversed in the interests of the financial aristocracy. Whole areas of the country had been turned into industrial wastelands, scarred by poverty and low-wage employment. Britain was well on the way to being transformed into a global centre for the criminal activities of the super-rich—a haven for the likes of Rupert Murdoch and innumerable Russian oligarchs.
Intellectual and cultural life was degraded almost beyond recognition.
In the ensuing years, the unstable foundations of the Thatcherite economic model—the massive accumulation of fictitious capital, unrelated to any development of economic production, and an explosion in credit-fuelled debt—were to produce a series of crises on the global stock markets. Nonetheless, Thatcher’s policies were continued and deepened by Labour under Tony Blair, her self-proclaimed political heir.
Much more can and will be said. But five years on from the 2008 financial crash, with mass austerity the order of the day, any objective appraisal makes clear that Thatcher’s real legacy is the greatest economic and social crisis wrought by capitalism since the first half of the 20th century.
Nothing whatsoever remains of her stu..pid and wholly insincere promises of “popular capitalism”, of Britain as a “home-owning democracy” with prosperity for all secured through the “trickle-down” of wealth and the “miracle of the market.” Posterity will record her as having presided over the initial stages of an on-going putrefaction of bourgeois social and political life.


Julie Hyland and Chris Marsden[/b]

cap28:

you must have read my mind bro

Here's an interesting one:

[size=14pt]Margaret Thatcher 'feared divisive debate in parliament' over state funeral.[/size]

Nicholas Watt and Caroline Davies
Tuesday 9 April 2013 10.31 BST

Cameron announces ceremony will be held on Wednesday next week as Whitehall sources say former PM vetoed state funeral


Flowers left outside Margaret Thatcher's former home in Chelsea, London. She is said to have vetoed a state funeral. Photograph: Peter Macdiarmid/Getty Images

Lady Thatcher was instrumental in vetoing the idea of a state funeral because she feared it would provoke a divisive debate in parliament, which would have to approve the funding, according to Whitehall sources.

David Cameron has confirmed the funeral will be held at St Paul's Cathedral on Wednesday April 17.

Amid calls on the Tory right for the late prime minister to be accorded a state funeral, which is normally reserved for monarchs, Whitehall sources said Thatcher had opted instead for a ceremonial funeral.

"It will look and feel like a state funeral to all intents and purposes," one source said of the ceremonial funeral, the level granted to the Queen Mother and Diana, Princess of Wales.

Thatcher was understood to have decided that she should not have a state funeral. She was understood to fear that a parliamentary bill, which would have to be passed to permit public funds for a state funeral, could prompt a divisive debate. It is also understood that she did not wish to lie in state.

The disclosure of Thatcher's wishes came as the Daily Mail and Daily Express launched a petition for the late prime minister to be granted a state funeral.

Peter Bone, the Tory MP for Wellingborough, told the Mail: "I think she should have the highest kind of funeral that can be allowed. I would have thought a state funeral would be very appropriate. She was the first female prime minister. She was also the greatest peacetime prime minister we ever had."

Kenneth Clarke, the minister without portfolio, was dismissive of the Daily Mail campaign. "Two newspapers fighting over what kind of funeral she should have – it's a kind of a tribute," he told the Today programme.

Thatcher's body was removed from the Ritz hotel in London by private ambulance at about 12.20am on Tuesday following her death there on Monday morning. She had been reading in bed when she suffered a stroke.

As tributes poured in from around the world for Britain's first and only female prime minister, others condemned her policies for encouraging the free market and stripping power from unions during her 11 years in office.

On Monday night, hundreds of cheering people held parties to "celebrate" her death in Brixton, south London, Bristol and Glasgow. Six police officers were injured, with one remaining in hospital on Tuesday, as scuffles broke out in Easton, Bristol, where about 200 people had gathered for a street party.

MPs are being recalled from their Easter recess on Wednesday to give them the chance to pay tribute to the former premier. Cameron is expected to give a statement to the Commons, followed by Ed Miliband, the Labour leader, and there will be time for backbench MPs to deliver their own tributes.

Cameron cut short an official visit to Europe following her death, as Labour and the Tories suspended campaigning ahead of next month's key local elections. The Lib Dems are also not expecting to hold any events.

Downing Street announced on Monday that Britain's first female prime minister would receive a ceremonial funeral, with gun carriage, military procession and a service at St Paul's.

One rung below a state funeral – normally accorded to sovereigns, although Winston Churchill and the Duke of Wellington were granted the honour – a ceremonial funeral requires the consent of the Queen, which has been given. There will be no public lying in state, at Thatcher's own request. It has emerged that she rejected the idea and did not want money to be spent on a fly-past.

Costs are to be borne by the government and Thatcher's estate, with Downing Street declining to reveal at this stage the proportion to be met by the nation. A No 10 spokesman said the payments from the public purse would be published after the event. They will undoubtedly include the costs of the planned military procession, involving hundreds of members of the armed services, and of the major policing and security operation expected to be mounted.

Thatcher's coffin will be moved to the chapel of St Mary Undercroft in the Palace of Westminster on the night before the funeral. On the day, the streets will be cleared of traffic and the coffin will be taken by hearse to the church of St Clement Danes, the RAF chapel in the Strand. From there it will be transferred to a gun carriage drawn by the King's Troop Royal Horse Artillery and borne in procession to St Paul's, along a route lined by tri-service military personnel and members of the public who wish to pay tribute.

At St Paul's, there will be a military guard of honour and Chelsea pensioners will line the steps. The service, which will be televised, is expected to reflect Thatcher's love of Elgar. It is not known whether the archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, will play a formal role.

Guests at the ticket-only service will include political leaders as well as people and groups with connections to Thatcher. It is not yet known whether the Queen will attend.

After the service there will be a private cremation. It is understood Thatcher wished to be laid to rest beside her husband, Denis, who died in 2003, in the cemetery of the Royal Hospital Chelsea. Apart from Churchill, three other prime ministers received a full state funeral in modern times: the Duke of Wellington in 1852, Viscount Palmerston in 1865 and William Gladstone in 1898. The funerals of later prime ministers have tended to be more modest affairs.

Katsumoto:

When you finish laughing, can you refer us to the pages in the following books where Britain's complicity in the overthrow of Buhari's government is postulated?

1) Hegemony or Survival by Professor (Emeritus) Noam Chomsky of MIT?

2) Against Empire by Michael Parenti Phd Yale ?

Please don't disappoint just as you have disappointed to articulate how Britain could have survived the recession brought on by the left wing government of James Callaghan in 1979. Talk is cheap.

[b]Margaret Thatcher
Tue 9 Apr 2013 by abagond

Margaret Thatcher (1925-2013), the Iron Lady, was the British prime minister from 1979 to 1990, the first woman to reach that office. She moved Britain to the right, overturning socialist policies in favour of naked capitalism. Like President Reagan in America, she cut government help for the poor to lower taxes on the rich. She broke the back of the labour unions and freed the banks.

By the numbers: The change during her rule (green for very good, red for bad):

Life expectancy: 74 years to 76
Infant mortality: 12 per 1,000 lives births (1980) to 8
Literacy: 99% to 99%
Electricity: 4,684 kWh per capita (1980) to 5,357
Inflation: 10.3% to 9.7%
Unemployment: 5.3% to 7.3%
Income inequality: 25.3 to 33.9 – GINI coefficient (USA = 47.7 in 2011)
Poverty rate: 13.4% to 22.2%
Living conditions: 0.748 (1980) to 0.784 – HDI (USA = 0.910)
Murder rate: 1.1 (1980) per 100,000 to 1.2 (USA = 5.2)
The gains went mainly to London, the south-east, the banks and the already well-to-do.

In the 1970s the two main centres of power were big business and labour unions. Governments were cowed by unions and tried to keep unemployment low.

Thatcher broke the power of labour unions in the coal miners’s strike of 1984 and further weakened them with new labour laws. She worked to lower taxes and inflation rather than unemployment and poverty.

Unemployment reached 11.9% in 1984 and was over 20% in some places – rates not seen since the Great Depression of the 1930s. Race riots broke out in Brixton and elsewhere in 1981 and 1985.


Brixton, London, 1981
Privatization: She sold off British Telecom, British Airways, British Gas and others.

President Obama said Thatcher was “one of the great champions of freedom and liberty”. She championed freedom for banks, Eastern Europe and Southern Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), but supported undemocratic rule in South Africa, Palestine, Chile, Pakistan, Iraq and Cambodia. She considered Nelson Mandela a terrorist – while inviting apartheid leader P.W. Botha to London.



Thatcher on black and brown immigration:

the British character has done so much for democracy, for law, and done so much throughout the world, that if there is any fear that it might be swamped, people are going to react and be rather hostile to those coming in.

In 1982 Argentina took the Falkland Islands. She sent Britain’s two aircraft carriers and took them back (with some help from America and Chile).

In 1983 she allowed America to base 160 Cruise missiles 100 km west of London at Greenham Common. She opposed the American invasion of Grenada, a Commonwealth country, but America left a voicemail and did it anyway.

In 1984 the IRA tried to kill her.

She won re-election in 1983, on the heels of the Falklands War, and in 1987, when Britain was recovering.

She opposed tying the pound to Europe, splitting her party, the Tories. In 1990 Michael Heseltine challenged her for party leadership. He lost – but so did she. John Major became the new Tory leader and prime minister.

The Labour Party, now lacking strong unions, made itself into a me-too capitalist party. When it returned to power in 1997 under Tony Blair it left Thatcher’s main policies in place.


Soulmates Thatcher and Reagan
Sources: Guardian, World Bank, The Telegraph[/b]

Katsumoto:



I accept your offering but I will pass the kolanut to those celebrating maggie's death.

BTW, the only title my ancestors desired was Shogun. Even Sir, they didn't accept.

isale_gan2:

This looks like Agbada to you? Jesuit, Your shuku braid must be too tight. Did I do it?



Hmmmm

Interesting: Life and Culture in the Edo Period (Japan 1603-1867)
http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=502

cap28:

If your idol had her way people like you would still be in chains - she regarded black people as sub human and when she was advised to place economic sanctions on the aparthied regime of south africa she refused. In her book black people were not worthy of even the slightest iota of respect or compassion, its therefore quite frankly embarrasing to witness a full grown supposedly educated black man like you continuing to sing this woman's praises despite the overwhelming level of contempt and disgust that her fellow white british people are pouring on her.

I really feel sorry for you.

JeSoul: [s]wait oh...you be Jap-sanese? naa! unlikely, but anyways...[/s] SHOGUN!!! Katsumoto! best believe, there will be no mis-titles from here on, sir

this chick...you are humorific! lol. Since you refused to do my hair for years now, I had to settle bor Biliki, and you know how she gets down.

but talk true...this your picture take style resemble agbada small. Okay Shogun Katsumoto, more layers to your kimono .

and that bit on "Edo period"...nice co-inci.

Katsumoto:

The white man hates you, yet you won't leave his country and go back to the land of your fathers.

Katsumoto:

Why are you so conflicted and hypocritical? Yes you are a hypocrite. The white man hates you, yet you won't leave his country and go back to the land of your fathers. Why is that?

Thatcher is not my idol and I do not have much regard for her. Thatcher isn't the only racist in England, Europe, or the world for that matter. It would be foolish for any person of colour, mixed or complete, to think that ALL Caucasians have his/her interest at heart. But having said that, there are good white people. And rather than focusing on what may be in the heart of man, why don't you expend your energy on taking advantage of the opportunities that exist in the western world? There are minorities in England who are doing big things; if they were all bitter like you, then they would be stuck in an economic limbo like you.

When are you going to realise that the only way for the black man or the minority person to beat the bad white man is to become economically independent. 'Whitey' will continue to humiliate black folks like you who keep waiting for handouts. The reason why Asians are doing much better economically than black people is because Asians realized this about 30 years ago. While Asians were building businesses, bitter old men like CAP28 were spending time on conspiracy theory websites and corrupting the minds of young black men with bogey tales of 'whitey hates us'.

Don't feel sorry for me, I am content with my life. I know that the ultimate goal is economic independence and as long as I keep meeting my goals, I will stay content. Regardless of whether 'whitey' hates me or not. Apart from telling young black men that whitey hates them, what are YOU doing to help them achieve economic independence? Or your goal is to ensure that whitey provides free health, free housing, free giro, free jobs? Wake up and smell the coffee, no one gives you anything, you have to GRAB it.

The only way black folks can achieve economic independence is for them to get educated, bandy together like jews/asians do, and build/support their own businesses. Economic illiteracy is killing black folks. Without understanding economic and money fundamentals, the black man will stay imprisoned. I asked you what you would have done different to what Thatcher did and you have been silent for almost 2 days? That's because you don't have a fc.uking clue.

In my early teens, I used to think like you until I realised that folks who talked about whitey hating them were all dirt poor. Only unsuccessful and bitter folks focus on negatives when there are still positives and lessons to be learned. Then I changed my mindset.

Katsumoto: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ok, you know me too well.

But can you just return to your fatherland and hate whitey from there?

Katsumoto: So many ironies in this life


Someone claims to hate whitey but refuses to return to his fatherland

Someone claims to be a successful businessman and property owner but blames the environment for not being enabling

Someone accuses others of being ‘pathetic wannabes’ but proudly claims to be a British citizen.

Someone claims to be a property owner but hates the regulations and policies that made it possible

Someone claims to be a business person but criticizes tax rate cuts for businesses.