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| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 7:22pm On May 01, 2013 |
OLAADEGBU:There IS THE NATURE OF SIN and the acts of sin.. i believe this verse is talking about the nature of sin. Christ came to destroy that nature. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 11:49pm On May 01, 2013 |
Bidam: There IS THE NATURE OF SIN and the acts of sin.. i believe this verse is talking about the nature of sin. Christ came to destroy that nature. John knew nothing about sin nature.... And as for sin nature, it is our body and it is the adamic nature that was inherited...it died on the cross but not annihilated. Paul described the sin nature and the spirit man as old and new. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 7:10am On May 02, 2013 |
shdemidemi:you think so? ok explain " whosoever is born of God does NOT commit SIN". John never said what contradict Paul in scriptures. I can understand you "being a lover of paul". so try and be a lover of all the other books..not only paul letters.. concerning death and annihilation you are just confusing yourself..lemme ask you a question" why did Jesus come"? |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 8:21am On May 02, 2013 |
My bro.. I am not confusing myself. Jesus cannot be for the law because under the law, it is what people see you do that you are judged by. the Pharisee and the Sadducees and the jews generally were hypocrites because they were sinners too but they come out as holier than thou..Paul finished them in Romans 2, to say no one is holy. So John would say whoever is born of God does not commit sin under the law. Under the law you are not allowed to commit sin, God hate sin. But Christ will commission his attribute of love through Paul's gospel. Paul would now say as a believer I can sin, not because I want to but because there is something I can't control making me commit this sin. So, how can I solve this? It can only be by the renewal of my mind through the word of God which allows my new man to transcend the old man in me. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 9:23am On May 02, 2013 |
shdemidemi: My bro.. I am not confusing myself.Jesus cannot be for the law because under the law, it is what people see you do that you are judged by. the Pharisee and the Sadducees and the jews generally were hypocrites because they were sinners too but they come out as holier than thou..Paul finished them in Romans 2, to say no one is holy.Jesus is actually the lawgiver and the judge, i wonder why you keep refusing to see it in that light.James 4:12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor? James 5:9 Don't grumble against one another, brothers and sisters, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door! Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us That scripture you said concerning Paul finishing the pharisees because of their hypocritical stance still applies to us today. don't kid yourself. So John would say whoever is born of God does not commit sin under the lawJohn was actually addressing Christians here and not those under the law. Under the law you are not allowed to commit sin, God hate sin. But Christ will commission his attribute of love through Paul's gospel.My problem with you is that you keep harping on the "pauline epistles" as if others do not speak the mind of God and do not complement all what Paul is saying..be careful. you are cherry picking and it usually leads to error. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 11:11am On May 02, 2013 |
Bidam: Jesus is actually the lawgiver and the judge, i wonder why you keep refusing to see it in that light.James 4:12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you--who are you to judge your neighbor? Have you asked yourself the reason why Christ gave the law and the same Christ came to fulfil the same law he gave? That scripture you said concerning Paul finishing the pharisees because of their hypocritical stance still applies to us today. don't kid yourself. I agree with you, it applies to those who think they are still under a law. They adhere to law in parts and to grace in parts. Paul will say - 2 Corinthians 11:30 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) 30 If I must boast, I will boast about the things that show I am weak. How can 1 who says from start, I am not infallible to tender his mistakes. But according to the law God is saying to man, prove to yourself that you are not infallible. But we couldn't because we can't. So if I make a mistake why would I hide it from you when I know you know I can make mistakes. John was actually addressing Christians here and not those under the law. My problem with you is that you keep harping on the "pauline epistles" as if others do not speak the mind of God and do not complement all what Paul is saying..be careful. you are cherry picking and it usually leads to error. Go to act 15 where Peter John n James went to the Jewish believers and Paul went to the gentile believers. You are not saved by John or James or peters gospel but by the gospel entrusted to Paul |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by MostHigh: 11:16am On May 02, 2013 |
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| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 11:20am On May 02, 2013 |
^^^^^^ some typos up thr How can 1 who says from start, I am not infallible be scared to tender his mistakes. But according to the law God is saying to man, prove to yourself (cos God knows already) that you are not infallible. We did prove that we are fallible. So if I make a mistake why would I hide it from you when I know you know I can make mistakes. What I meant there is that under grace, I admit that I am fallible, so my mistakes are not secret. I bring them to the opened and learn from them. But under the law I say I can't sin, therefore, when I sin I keep it under lock and key so people won't label me or stigmatise me as a false Christian . |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 12:53pm On May 02, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Go to act 15 where Peter John n James went to the Jewish believers and Paul went to the gentile believers. You are not saved by John or James or peters gospel but by the gospel entrusted to Paul  |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by MostHigh: 12:56pm On May 02, 2013 |
Bidam: You are not saved by John or James or peters gospel but by the gospel entrusted to Paul Where you baptised in the name of paul? clearly the answer is yes, he has overshadowed the place and purpose of the rauch qoudesh within you |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 1:53pm On May 02, 2013 |
MostHigh: Where you baptised in the name of paul? Of course not, but by Christ and the Holy Spirit that spoke through him to a gentile sinner like myself. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 1:57pm On May 02, 2013 |
^^^^^^17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 2:28pm On May 02, 2013 |
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| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 2:29pm On May 02, 2013 |
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| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by christemmbassey(m): 3:56pm On May 02, 2013 |
Ok am back, and i said, Christ dashed me righteousness, am holy and righteous and i never sined. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 4:05pm On May 02, 2013 |
christemmbassey: Ok am back, and i said, Christ dashed me righteousness, am holy and righteous and i never sined. 8 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. I believe that is what you mean to say, but that don't mean you don't sin though, you are just not condemned for it. Sola Gracia bro |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by christemmbassey(m): 4:28pm On May 02, 2013 |
shdemidemi:pls read Rm 4:25 tro 5:1, what do u undastand by this? "and was raised again for OUR JUSTIFICATION". |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by gronzywares: 4:59pm On May 02, 2013 |
Personally I believe we do not need to keep arguing over the this over and over again, my concern is how do we redeem the heathens? |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 5:01pm On May 02, 2013 |
We are saying the sme thing bro..you are justified by grace because of propitiated blood of Christ through faith. So, when you sin you are not condemned. But there is a caveat though, the will of God even as you are free is that you love your neighbour before yourself. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 5:12pm On May 02, 2013 |
gronzywares: Personally I believe we do not need to keep arguing over the this over and over again, my concern is how do we redeem the heathens? You are right..I believe we need more sound men of God to spread the liberty and love and assured salvation we have in christ. But it's quite unfortunate that the gospel of fear and condemnation has outspread beyond imagination. All they quote to them is the God of battle and not the God of love and patience. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 6:25am On May 03, 2013 |
shdemidemi:Messiah is our Saviour - Paul is not. It is regrettable that "the powers of darkness" have so wrested the words of a man of God, that he has become a substitute for the true Messiah in the eyes of such untold numbers of professing believers, and that his instructions, when colliding head-on with the clear Command of God in the ‘Old Testament’, is taken above that of God! |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 6:30am On May 03, 2013 |
shdemidemi:baseless lie that holds no water |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 6:33am On May 03, 2013 |
The wonderful thing about the Bible is that it does not hide the frailties of the men who were "subject to like passions as we are". We read of Noah's drunkenness, of Abraham's cowardice, of Jacob's scheming, of Moses' fits of anger, of David's carnality, and of the failings of many others. "Now all these things . . . are written for our admonition" (l Cor. 10:11). None of these great men were angelic. They all were what they were by the Grace of God. What He did for them He will also surely do for us. We are thus encouraged by the record of the weaknesses of men who were especially used of God - and Paul was no exception. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 6:41am On May 03, 2013 |
shdemidemi: Go to act 15 where Peter John n James went to the Jewish believers and Paul went to the gentile believers. You are not saved by John or James or peters gospel but by the gospel entrusted to PaulThe four Gospels are a vivid example of the four vastly different men who wrote them - yet, they were each one inspired by the same Holy Spirit! This fact has stumbled many an agnostic and has made unbelievers out of many doubters |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by PastorKun(m): 6:47am On May 03, 2013 |
Bidam: This Bidam is a real apostle of the 'gospel' of bondage. What you fail to realise is that scripturally christians are not bound by old testament laws, we live by grace and it is Judiazers like you who are trying to rob christians of their grace having denied the saving grace of christ's sacrifice in your lives. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 6:58am On May 03, 2013 |
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| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 7:04am On May 03, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: This Bidam is a real apostle of the 'gospel' of bondage. What you fail to realise is that scripturally christians are not bound by old testament laws,Did Paul teach that the Law has been annulled? we live by grace and it is Judiazers like you who are trying to rob christians of their grace having denied the saving grace of christ's sacrifice in your lives.Did he initiate a new "Gospel of Grace"? Do his teachings do away with the 'Old Testament' teachings? |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by christemmbassey(m): 7:52am On May 03, 2013 |
I said it b4 and will say it again, the man of TITHE (SCAM) is scared of the Grace of our lord and saviour Jesus, its like PDP and the concept of zoning, they only accept it when rt suit their GREED, but the fact remains that Christ died and released grace so that if ANY MAN(male or female) believes he/she recieves this, so its too late because none can undo what Christ had done. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 8:06am On May 03, 2013 |
christemmbassey: I said it b4 and will say it again, the man of TITHE (SCAM) is scared of the Grace of our lord and saviour Jesus, its like PDP and the concept of zoning, they only accept it when rt suit their GREED, but the fact remains that Christ died and released grace so that if ANY MAN(male or female) believes he/she recieves this, so its too late because none can undo what Christ had done.This is my understanding of grace “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourself: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Eph. 2:8–9.) so which wan be man of tithe wey you dey talk about? |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by PastorKun(m): 8:09am On May 03, 2013 |
Bidam: Did Paul teach that the Law has been annulled?Did he initiate a new "Gospel of Grace"? Yes it does  New International Version (©2011) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here! New Living Translation (©2007) This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun! English Standard Version (©2001) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. New American Standard Bible (©1995) Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away, and look, new things have come. International Standard Version (©2012) Therefore, if anyone is in the Messiah, he is a new creation. Old things have disappeared, and—look!—all things have become new! NET Bible (©2006) So then, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; what is old has passed away--look, what is new has come! Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) All that is in The Messiah is therefore The New Creation; the old order has passed away to such. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) Whoever is a believer in Christ is a new creation. The old way of living has disappeared. A new way of living has come into existence. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by Nobody: 8:50am On May 03, 2013 |
Pastor Kun:this is incredulous..is it talking about the law or the nature of man? |
| Re: Understanding The "Grace Of God" And The "Gospel Of Grace" by shdemidemi(m): 8:54am On May 03, 2013 |
Bidam: The four Gospels are a vivid example of the four vastly different men who wrote them - yet, they were each one inspired by the same Holy Spirit! This fact has stumbled many an agnostic and has made unbelievers out of many doubters Please make your arguments fit into the word of God and not the other way round. Galatians 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), What do you say about that quote? Who is the bolded 'HE' referring to? You need to renew your mind and stop going round circles baselessly. The Bible tells you to follow Paul yet, you think I am just obsessed about him from my own accord. All His letters says who the mediator , the messiah and the only 1 who is worthy of worship is, so your assumptions that Paul as taken their place is just a display of ignorance. At the start of his letters, he never forgets to acknowledge who sent him and under whose orders He carries out his gospel 1 Corinthians 1 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) 1 Greetings from Paul. I was chosen to be an apostle of Christ Jesus. God chose me because that is what he wanted. Greetings also from Sosthenes, our brother in Christ. And the same man under the authority of Christ says 11 Follow my example, just as I follow the example of Christ.. No other disciple of Christ made a statement like this one, He did not say follow 'OUR' , He said MY example, I believe you should be clear the gospel of whom a believer of Christ should adhere to. I said to you that you will be judged by apostle Paul's gospel and no other cos the Scripture says through the Holy Spirit which Apostle Paul happens to be the medium of communication 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel. The Jews Guilty as the Gentiles So if you truly want to follow Christ, concentrate on what Christ has written to you instead of chasing shadows and mirage. God bless you plenty. |
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