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The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 12:37am On May 01, 2013 |
Which is certain? The Atheist wager or the religious (Paschal's) wager? Lets see what logic thinks! The Atheist/Nontheist/Agnostic view :- 1) There is no god because there is no single shred of evidence of it/him/her/whatever. 2) Even if there is a god, one cant be certain of which is true because there are thousands of gods and all religions claim miracles/visions/revelations/spirit/holy book/whatever. The religious' view 1) There is a god that came from nothing, immediately became supra-complex (much more complex than the whole universe) and conscious and made everything from nothing (even though they tell atheists "nothing comes from nothing". ) 2) Every religion has its own god and claims that god to be the only true, living god and its son/prophet/priest/whatever the only way to that god, eternal life and salvation. Well, if an entity called god exist, only one god can be true because all gods are jealous of each other, their lord in jealousy being yahweh, whose name is jealous (bible). There would therefore be constant war of the gods - but there is nothing like that - so only one ultimate god is true. But who is the one? Is there a certain way to be sure of this true god? No! Why? Because this god decided to be mute, leaving his proponents in darkness of "faith". Now Since all religions claim to be right and since only one can be right. Who has therefore made a better choice? He who decide to abstain in the face of uncertainty - atheist - OR He who decide to choose randomly in the face of uncertainty - the religious and their different gods. Here is the wager : The religious wager - If you decide to choose one of the many gods and that god happens to be the true god, then you have lost nothing but have gained in this life and also an after life. All theists say this to atheists! THE PROBLEM WITH IT What if the god chosen (yahweh, allah, zeus, ifa etc etc etc) is NOT the true god? Then the more you worship that god, the more you piss the true god off! For instance, if you are a christian and allah happens to be the true god, then the more you worship yahweh , the more you piss allah off and vice versa. Destruction is therefore certain for you. Your lake of fire will burn like the supernova of a star. You are doomed for all eternity even though you are religious. The Atheist Wager If you decide to abstain from choosing a god because there is no single shred of evidence of any true god, and when you die and finally face that true god, and he asks you - boy, why didn't you worship meeeeee and meeee only while you were alive?? the wise atheist will simply reply that "there were too many gods on earth, each one shouting to be true in his/her/its book and because that was confusing, I decided to abstain and decided to wait till I can see and be certain of the only true god before I offer worship to any god, so I dont make mistake and choose the wrong god, pissing you off". Then the true god will reply "My son, you are indeed wise, enter into my rest". CONCLUSION Eternity is much more certain for atheists than for theists. ADVICE My people, it is now certain that the only logical, confidently assured way to eternal life is atheism. Therefore choose wisely. Half a word is spoken to a wise child, he deconstructs the full meaning!! - The Yorubas Peace Ooman. |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 12:26pm On May 02, 2013 |
^^^Edited |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 12:56pm On May 02, 2013 |
Guy, go back to Romance section...it suits you more. |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 1:17pm On May 02, 2013 |
lol lol Click on the link in my Signature for evidence of The Creator. hehehe |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 2:57pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: Guy, go back to Romance section...it suits you more. lazy thing |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 3:01pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: Nah men...not just a lazy thing...I am a very lazy idiiot with a "puny brain". |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by benodic: 3:05pm On May 02, 2013 |
it is so unfortunate what is happening in the world religions today. with each claiming that it is the only way to God. i really hope that this atheist point of view will help some to have a change in their view point and dig deeper into the mystery of God beyond the narrow confines of their individual religion. you can never talk about talk less of defending what you have not experienced. 1 Like |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ninja4life(m): 3:15pm On May 02, 2013 |
Lol at u are wise my son enter into rest while god give u chance to defend urself guy u will burn in hell; hmm d wager u better give ur life to d god of thunder shango atleast u can see and feel it forget about d scientific explanation cos d god of shango is needed for d sparking to occur.u get my flow go and serve d god of shango as a yorubaman ok he will grant u eternal life. 1 Like |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 4:03pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: Striky, what is happening to you? Its now common for you to abuse yourself. I hope you have checked into a mental asylum sha before you get to the street. You seem to be suffering from Acute Personality Disorder See a doctor immediately. |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 4:05pm On May 02, 2013 |
ninja4life: Lol at u are wise my son enter into rest while god give u chance to defend urself guy u will burn in hell; hmm d wager u better give ur life to d god of thunder shango atleast u can see and feel it forget about d scientific explanation cos d god of shango is needed for d sparking to occur.u get my flow go and serve d god of shango as a yorubaman ok he will grant u eternal life. what if shango is not the true god?? |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 6:15pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: LWKMD!!! Guy you indeed are very funny...no worries man, everything is very okay. Hmmm...let's see if my brain can process what the OP is about |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 6:48pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: Self flagellation is normal for many christians. Afterall, jesus went willingly into crucifixion Remember how david cried and rolled on the ground so that god wouldnt kill his son? |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 6:58pm On May 02, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Butthurt expression again? |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:04pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: its cool you are still stable. you seemed hysterical just looking out for you perhaps the atheist wager is driving you crazy just be ok man, thats all thats important |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:05pm On May 02, 2013 |
Logicboy03: its a pity what god can turn people into |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 7:08pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: Thanks man! Atheist wager is driving me crazy?...you wish! Need I address the OP? I really do not want to make you look bad man... |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 7:10pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: You have absolutely no idea... |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:13pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: make me look bad?? are you patronizing me?? do what you have to do, your hour has come I take it you are afraid of the OP and so resort to emotional threats |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 7:14pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: I don't do emotions man... |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:17pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: common man, i have an idea Hysteria is one |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:18pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: so do what you have to do... |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 7:22pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: Nah men... |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 7:23pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: I am feeling 'jiggy' man...don't know if I will be able to come round to the OP but I will see what I can do... |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:27pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: see, i know you are not yourself my diagnosis is right just relax man, you have all day life will be boring without people who believe in myth to joke with |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:28pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: yep |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 7:31pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: Not myself?...Hmmmm |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 7:31pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: Wanna dance? |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:35pm On May 02, 2013 |
striktlymi: gimme a song to dance to note: i dont want the boring soppy gospel songs |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 7:43pm On May 02, 2013 |
ooman: Lol!!! Coming right up man...coming right up! |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 7:52pm On May 02, 2013 |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(m): 8:27pm On May 02, 2013 |
Re: The Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by Nobody: 8:45pm On May 02, 2013 |
Now let's see what you have here... ooman: Which is certain? The Atheist wager or the religious (Paschal's) wager? Well guy, I am of the opinion that Paschal's wager cannot really be termed a 'religious wager' because his thoughts actually encompasses the religious and irreligious point of view (which includes the view point of some Atheists), though he tried to see it from the perspective of religion,... ooman: What logic thinks? This is going to be interesting surely... ooman: ...c'mon now ooman, is that the dictate of logic? Logic tends towards the realm of science i.e. it deals with the principles and criteria of validity. Now will you say it would be valid to conclude that there is no God? This really will be a very wrong conclusion given the premise you have up there... Your argument really is thus: For something/someone etc to exist there must be some form of evidence... There is no evidence for God... Hence there is no God... A critical review of the above argument would reveal the flaw inherent in it...for starters, the premise is false and when a conclusion is derived from a false premise, then that conclusion is necessarily false...lack of evidence does not prove that something or someone does not exist. Since this argument is not valid, it falls outside the realm of logic... ooman: This still falls outside the realm of logic because the argument lacks validity...the fact that we have so many religions who have various views about God does not negate the fact that there exist one creator from whom everything came to be. ooman: C'mon now, do you honestly know the view of religious folks? Okay let's have a look... ooman: A simple question is: do you consider the individual who invented the automobile more complex than his invention? If your answer is 'yes' why then is this difficult to accept? ooman: I have seen a number of individuals who claim to know a friend and when I asked them to tell me a bit about this friend, they gave me different accounts of this friend...each account says a little about this friend but nothing encompassing...if this can happen to an individual who we can see and touch, how much more God? ooman: Only one God is true, we only have different perspectives of this one true God. ooman: ...and you would know this? A number of persons have experienced God...at least I know I have. ooman: The probability of worshiping God when one decides to worship him is always one i.e P(G) = 1; the only ish would be how an individual decides to worship him...the ways are different but God is always worshiped irrespective of the ways...I might need to expound on this later. ooman: The above is not what I believe...I believe firmly that everyone has an equal opportunity of making heaven...all that is needed is sincerity...everyone need not be a Christian or Muslim etc before he or she makes heaven...even Atheists can make heaven given the right circumstances. ooman: Now this is not correct...yes an Atheist can make heaven if and only if that Atheist is sincere in his convictions and does right in line with the principles of right conscience...one does not make heaven simply because he is an Atheist, the Atheist must work to merit heaven... Now, if an individual who was a Christian and in all sincerity he believes Christianity is the way to God but decides to become an Atheist because of the 'easy life' then from the onset, that individual is not sincere and does wrong by God...this individual can only make heaven by following the way God has carved out for him e.g Christianity. |
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