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Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 8:27am On May 09, 2013 |
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Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 8:29am On May 09, 2013 |
Logicboy03:Lolol. You!! Debunk me? Lol. So true and only when debunk can be substituted interchangeably for delusion. To begin with it, if you were smart enough, commonsense should have told you whose opinion I intend to work with-not necessitating a repeat of an already written. You can 'attack' me from there, that's if only you understand. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 8:30am On May 09, 2013 |
musKeeto: Bt inurmind's definitions, very few Christians would be 'freethinkers'... Stop trying to please the christians here with this ambiguous boolshyt bro! We all have biases due to the nature of the human mind Freethinking allows one to understand his own biases. A freethinker subjects his opinion to logic and reason. God is not logical neither is faith. A christian can not truly be a freethinker. End of. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 8:30am On May 09, 2013 |
Reyginus: Lolol. You!! Debunk me? Lol. butthurted |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 8:33am On May 09, 2013 |
Logicboy03:Please knight, Debunk me. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 8:40am On May 09, 2013 |
Logicboy03: One bias - an atheist makes an honest comment, and you claim he's trying to please christians. 2nd bias - a christian can not truly be a freethinker. In the same vein, an atheist(one who claims GOD(in terms of a creator does not exist) can not be said to be a freethinker. Why? For all we know, reason and logic might lead us to a 'GOD'... One way less complex than us, maybe? You say faith is not logical? I'd say love is also not logical.. In fact, logic is overrated. Logic is usually based on knowledge. Take for example, when people believed the world was flat. It was only logical. As far as they could see, the world had a horizon beyond which nothing else was visible. I'm of the opinion that the word 'freethinker' is at best absurd, at worst comical. We can never be 'free' of biases, whether or not we understand these biases is a whole different issue.. 2 Likes |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 8:41am On May 09, 2013 |
musKeeto: By inurmind's definitions, very few Christians would be 'freethinkers'...I don't fully agree with you. First of all, a bias can only obstruct freethinking only when there are no basis for our acceptance of it. That is, when we deliberately avoid to think through some of the things this bias seem to hold. But if we can rationalize the content that hold for this bias and still hold unto it, freethinking still holds. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 9:05am On May 09, 2013 |
Now I find an ish with your stance... Logicboy03: Logicboy03: Agreed! Logicboy03: Hmmm...let's see some definitions: Definition of FREETHINKER - Merriam-webster one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogma http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freethinker free·think·er (frthngkr) - Freedictionary n. One who has rejected authority and dogma, especially in religious thinking, in favor of rational inquiry and speculation. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/freethinker free thinker - Urban dictionary An individual whose opinions are formed on the basis of an understanding and rejection of tradition, authority or established belief. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=free%20thinker free·think·er [free-thing-ker] - Dictionnary.com noun a person who forms opinions on the basis of reason, independent of authority or tradition, especially a person whose religious opinions differ from established belief. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/freethinker Definition: Atheist-Dictionary A freethinker is defined as one who arrives at their beliefs through the use of reason, science, logic, and empiricism rather than by relying on dogma, tradition, and authorities. http://atheism.about.com/od/Atheist-Dictionary/g/Freethinker-Definition.htm Interestingly the only definition that supports your case can be found in an Atheist/Agnostic website and the definition really has to do with a philosophical view-point as explained by Urban dictionary....see below: Free Thinker - Urban dictionary A philosophical viewpoint that opinions or beliefs of reality should be based on science, logic and reason. Ideas should not be derived from religion, authority, governments or dogmas. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=free%20thinker Logicboy03: God is outside the scope of logic... Logicboy03: I am not a freethinker but there are Christians who fit perfectly into the definition of a freethinker... |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 9:09am On May 09, 2013 |
Morning Musky, musKeeto: By inurmind's definitions, very few Christians would be 'freethinkers'... I don't think bias negates freethinking... |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Kay17: 9:13am On May 09, 2013 |
^^ A Christian can not be a freethinker cos he MUST trust God. Ihedinobi can vouch for that. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 9:18am On May 09, 2013 |
Kay 17: ^^ Morning Kay, My |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 9:22am On May 09, 2013 |
Kay 17: ^^Kay, I think it will only be so if the reason for trusting God is not given nor allowed to be reasoned. And this is not the case. 1 Like |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 9:42am On May 09, 2013 |
striktlymi: Morning Musky, Bias: a particular tendency or inclination, especially one that prevents unprejudiced consideration of a question; prejudice. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 9:44am On May 09, 2013 |
musKeeto: But Musky don't you think that free thought can make one have a bias for something? |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 9:46am On May 09, 2013 |
striktlymi: And that's my point.. 'freethinking' is an absurd term... Everyone forms an authority one way or the other.. You can be your own authority. What's reasonable to you may not be reasonable to another.... Even among atheists and theists.... |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 9:59am On May 09, 2013 |
musKeeto: You are so on point Musky...I got to say that the bold killed it for me... The bold is the heart of freethinking...deciding what works for you as against what the next individual, next constituted authority etc thinks... Unlike you, I believe the concept of freethinking makes so much sense...it really has little to do with religion or ir-religion but a lot to do with the individual and how the individual arrives at his or her beliefs or what impacts this individuals decision making process... Are his actions and thoughts based on independent thoughts or is it based on the thoughts and ideals of someone else? The authority that should be relevant here is that from outside this individual... |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 10:09am On May 09, 2013 |
striktlymi: And on this, I concede.. When a Christian can make a case against homosexuality without resorting to Biblical verses, IMO, he's 'free-thinking' Anony was a great 'freethinker', one theist I had much respect for. He could make valid arguments for 'GOD' without quoting verses. If no Christian was a 'freethinker', there would be more harmony among the Christians on this section. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 10:11am On May 09, 2013 |
musKeeto: Agreed!!! |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Kay17: 10:29am On May 09, 2013 |
striktlymi: Morning It does, because the Christian is unable emotionally to suspend his belief in God before proving and confirming his existence. Reyginus: Kay, I think it will only be so if the reason for trusting God is not given nor allowed to be reasoned.from a surface view, yes BUT its unorganised to prove the existence of a being AFTER trusting it. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 10:35am On May 09, 2013 |
Kay 17: Interesting thought but again I fail to see how one's belief in God or not has anything to do with freethinking... If one decides not to suspend his belief in God...this does not mean the individual cannot make a case for the existence of God...this still is a completely different matter... |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 10:39am On May 09, 2013 |
Kay 17: ...on the other hand, if you say there are Christians who submit themselves to religious dogmas (like my 'humble' self ) which can hinder the extent to which they can adopt free thoughts then I will agree...but note that not every Christian does this... |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by truthislight: 10:46am On May 09, 2013 |
Logicboy03: does that ^ means that one who is a "free" thinker is no longer "free" to accept a belief partan that seems logical to him how then can he be "free" to think/be a "free"thinker if he cannot apply his thinking process in action in whatever way he wants or whatever calling he so freely chooses? ................................................................. Sounds contradictory and ironic to meeee! Detailed answer is wellcome |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by truthislight: 11:07am On May 09, 2013 |
Reyginus: @Okexy In reply to Reginus: Logicboy03: @Reginus Then this in reply to logicboy's post above to Reginus: striktlymi: Morning Dark knight, @ Strik. why do you feel that the above is directed at you while reading? (I know that you are a different person from @Reginus) peace. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 11:15am On May 09, 2013 |
truthislight: Morning truthislight, Oh...I just saw it...I thought he quoted me...didn't realize it was meant for Rey. LB apologies for the mistake... Thanks truthislight for the correction. Edit: @Bold: I thought LB was accusing me of supporting inurmind... |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by truthislight: 11:25am On May 09, 2013 |
striktlymi: Ok. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 11:33am On May 09, 2013 |
musKeeto: It is rare that I would call an atheist pal a dubious douche but you deserve it. You seriously fall my hand You first wrongly define atheism as saying that there is no God Even the very definition of Freethinker is irreligious....so what is your point? Are you now going to argue with the dictionary, just like how Ihedinobi argues against the encyclopedia of philosophy on a clear logical fact that has been proven? You then go on to say that "freethinker" is absurd and comical. Do you think atheists just woke up and made the word to describe a person who reasons? How arrogant do yo ave to be to say that it is absurd. If freethinking, the use of reasoning and logic is absurd to you, then feel free to find a better word to describe someone that uses logic and reasoning to base his opinions on. We have biases but how do we know what is biased without logic in the first place? Your point is moot. mtchew... how was the world being flat ever logical? Just people believed it? It was intuitive because the ground was flat but never logical. Please learn the meaning of words I dont want to debunk you again |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 11:36am On May 09, 2013 |
musKeeto: You are silly. Is there any valid argument for god? See your life? Name one valid argument for God. I dare you Please, stop trying to please christians, you only look silly God is not logical...a freethinker can not be a christian talkless of a christian apologist Even the very definition of freethinker is irreligious. Furthermore, christians can engage in freethinking, just like how I can run but I am not a runner/professional athlete |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 11:38am On May 09, 2013 |
truthislight: A christian believes in God. God is illogical End of story. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 12:03pm On May 09, 2013 |
Logicboy03:No wahala. As Long AS Truth is proven to be on your side, Logicboy03:LOL. From wikipedia - Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. From dictionary: Atheism is the theory or belief that God does not exist. I can't believe I'm having this aregument with you. Who is being dubious? Also, if atheism can't be defined as saying there's no God, then Psalm 14:1 no longer applies to us.. And anytime I see you responding to that verse, I'll come over and whoop your ass.. Logicboy03:Indeed freethinker is irreligious, that's not under dispute... But can a Christian 'freethink'? Can he make personal conclusions without resort to the Bible? In fact, just to be a bit silly, when a Christian goes against what the Bible stipulates, example seeing nothing wrong with fornication, would you say he's freethinking? You love 'secular' Christians... Don't you understand that indirectly you refer to Christians who understand their 'religious biases' but are able to look beyond it? Isn't that freethinking? Logicboy03:I already explained why I find it absurd. What exactly is free thinking? Can anyone think without resort to ANY form of authority? Or is it just for those who can reason beyond 'religious' text? If freethinking is limited to the bolded,then my bad... I'm wrong.. Logicboy03:Not logic, but knowledge.. What we know and how much we know affects our perceptions... A shop was broken into. A black man was seen running across the shop. - To a racist, at this point, it's only logical for him to conclude the black man stole from the shop. A shop was broken into. A black man was seen running across the shop. The black man caught up with the thief and apprehended him. Logicboy03:Lol, no wound your lips o.. Logicboy03:The world being flat wasn't logical but intuitive. That people would fall off the earth when they got to the end was logical. Logicboy03: Don't pop that champagne yet.. |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Kay17: 12:19pm On May 09, 2013 |
What of an individual subscribing after due scrutiny to a religious dogma as his personal belief?? 1 Like |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Nobody: 12:20pm On May 09, 2013 |
Logicboy03: I can't believe this..a dogmatic Atheist |
Re: What Is Being A "Free Thinker?" by Kay17: 12:29pm On May 09, 2013 |
The quintessential freethinker is in the mould of Socrates, the only man to know he is ignorant. The freethinker is consciously in search of the truth, he is willing to forsake all traditional "truth" even ethics. He is unbound by all authorities except Reason. He will appear insensitive to society, disregard and subordinate Society's goals, aims and practices. The freethinker is a rebel in short. 1 Like |
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