things are really falling apart now........

superior1: Things don fall apart

If he was a titled man, then I assume the traditionalists have a higher hand. Do you know the rites that went into giving him that title? There may have been some diabolical machinations involved.

If Achebe took a title, he should have known how the bburial rites are for titled people and informed his family. This is Africa, tarditions were here before the coming of Christianity, they will not change now.

The wife must have followed him to get the title,now that repecussions have come , she remembers she's a christian.

Abeg make him village people bury the guy, if say him papa no carry am go church, dem for claim am?

superior1: Things don fall apart

Things no fit fall apart o cos d church must burial him oooooo

Whaat kinda ruuuubiiisssh is that! Drink water wey dem take bath dead-body, sleep with dead-body for same room...wtf is wrong with these people?! Abeg make una let di old-man rest jorrrr!

daylae: Why not just give the dead to the family and stop the unneccessary ranggling. A man like that would have loved a "no show" quiet burial,comprising of family and friends.

A man with a title in Igbo land, is something of a celebrity...he loses all rights to a 'quiet' burial

Chai! Achebe don suffer , d traditionalist wan comot som part, Church mak una no gree o, bt it fit b say achebe don folow chop anoda person part, so mak dem chop am too.

Shave head, drink corpse bathng water n sleep wit a corpse? Dats barbaric.

IGBO-SON:
Umu-Ada!.....a very powerful group of women in any extended family, trust me!

are the one who bestowed the power on them?

killuminati: Whaat kinda ruuuubiiisssh is that! Drink water wey dem take bath dead-body, sleep with dead-body for same room...wtf is wrong with these people?! Abeg make una let di old-man rest jorrrr!

I'm an Igbo man that's also deep in my culture. Never have I heard nor seen such practice except in instances of oath taking. If the dead is believed to have been murdered, all the suspects would undergo that ritual and take an oath of innocence. If Achebe took the Ozo title then he will be buried sitting upright on a throne in an Ozo burial chamber after undergoing the necessary rituals. The picture below depicts that.

Any one who believes this bull needs a lecture on common sense. Why in the world would ANY tradition ask a woman to srink the water rinsed off a corpse? Abeg the punch got their information from some Nigerian movies and did not bother checking said facts.

glimpse:

are the one who bestowed the power on them?

Actually when it comes to burials the Umuada is even stronger than the men, they have the biggest say in whatever happens and their word is law. I doubt the umunna would even try to join words with them at that time. This is because the women use that time to harsh out their grievances and arguments from earlier times.

Also let us not forget that in many traditions the world over burying chiefs with their slaves and wives happened at one time or the other. It is thus very belittling for the punch to carry one part of a culture from an ancient era and paste it as a current and common occurance.

safarigirl: A man with a title in Igbo land, is something of a celebrity...he loses all rights to a 'quiet' burial

Let him loose the traditional rights then! Of what use is a dead man with traditional title? Achebe should be buried in a Christian way. The traditionalists can go ahead with their own burial rites without the corpse.

Since the hunter have decided to shoot without missing, the birds have also decided to fly without perching

Decryptor: As long as this story is from Punch, i won't and will never believe it. Punch is one tabloid that is known for bashing anything ibo with their tribalistic false stories. Useless newspaper run by yeye bigot journalists. Mtchewwww!

then y is the wife refusing to come.

Abagworo:

I'm an Igbo man that's also deep in my culture. Never have I heard nor seen such practice except in instances of oath taking. If the dead is believed to have been murdered, all the suspects would undergo that ritual and take an oath of innocence. If Achebe took the Ozo title then he will be buried sitting upright on a throne in an Ozo burial chamber after undergoing the necessary rituals. The picture below depicts that.

ha ha ha! The same way my paternal grandfather was buried in 1993 sitting in an upright position on his throne.

How could you, even unto death? Don't you have a conscience, don't you have manners? Don't you have human sympathy?.

@Op, I really do hope that the road where he sustained the crippling accident has be repaired? Again, why were all these cosmetic arrangements done for him when he was alive? Must we always do these for the dead?

What a pity and a sad news. We expect people to be in a condolance mood for the lost of a great one. Please let's stop the madness

safarigirl: If he was a titled man, then I assume the traditionalists have a higher hand. Do you know the rites that went into giving him that title? There may have been some diabolical machinations involved.

If Achebe took a title, he should have known how the bburial rites are for titled people and informed his family. This is Africa, tarditions were here before the coming of Christianity, they will not change now.

The wife must have followed him to get the title,now that repecussions have come , she remembers she's a christian.

Abeg make him village people bury the guy, if say him papa no carry am go church, dem for claim am?

The perennial debate over tradition and culture returns.

To the emboldened portion of your post....I ask, at what point, precisely, do we allow tradition (the subset) to be subsumed by culture (the super-set)?

Is it conceivably that one can forgo certain traditions while maintaining complete fidelity with "culture"? Or is this view a contradiction in itself?

tpia@:
Both sides should reach a consensus.

I think a man of his stature has to be buried in the church.

Which kind early morning gbagaun be this?

How big is his stature nah?


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hahhahaahhaha........ Let the dead bury the dead...... De old man has created a problem for de church and community. If we should check the community makes de church.... If ogidi has a strong igwe he is de one dat will say de rest. Rev. Fathers are fight for them to bury him... We all kwn tht they are doing dat for the money dat they will collect fromm de family..... Rev fathers are just doing it because the kind of money dey will generate from de burial.. Is in millions.

berem: ha ha ha! The same way my paternal grandfather was buried in 1993 sitting in an upright position on his throne.

Guess he was an Nze n'Ozo then. Don't you think this rich culture should be retained whether we are Christians or not?

Afam4eva: Our people have to find a way to reconcile Christianity and Omenala. The white man has brought untold confusion on us as a people.

Exactly what his literary life was all about.

RIP baba Achebe!even when ♈̷̴̩‎υr body left diz mother earth,Ʊ are still relevant,seee people fighting over ♈̷̴̩‎υr dead body.Rip sir!

safarigirl: If he was a titled man, then I assume the traditionalists have a higher hand. Do you know the rites that went into giving him that title? There may have been some diabolical machinations involved.

If Achebe took a title, he should have known how the bburial rites are for titled people and informed his family. This is Africa, tarditions were here before the coming of Christianity, they will not change now.

The wife must have followed him to get the title,now that repecussions have come , she remembers she's a christian.

Abeg make him village people bury the guy, if say him papa no carry am go church, dem for claim am?

Lmao @ the bolded.

Why do churches always like looking for trouble where there's none? Culture is a person's identity and definitely far superior to foreign religions. Let the man "rest in peace" at the bosom of his ancestors and their afterlife.

Anyway, when I die, bury me in black Africa like my black ancestors with black sand in a black casket!

okoli chibuzor: hahhahaahhaha........ Let the dead bury the dead...... De old man has created a problem for de church and community. If we should check the community makes de church.... If ogidi has a strong igwe he is de one dat will say de rest. Rev. Fathers are fight for them to bury him... We all kwn tht they are doing dat for the money dat they will collect fromm de family..... Rev fathers are just doing it because the kind of money dey will generate from de burial.. Is in millions.

Reverend not rev.fathers..i believe u read the post..he was an anglican not a catholic..the church is nt meant to b mock mind u

How is a dead body suppose 2 rest in peace wen it is buried siting upright? @Berem, am keeping ma dowry. Mio se mo!

Abagworo:

Guess he was an Nze n'Ozo then. Don't you think this rich culture should be retained whether we are Christians or not?

Of course it should be retained. My grandfather was an Nze n'Ozo and a Pagan during his lifetime. When he was about to die, he repented and became a Christian at the dying minute. He was given holy communion few hours to his death. So you see, our culture should be retained but Christianity comes first.