Ola one:
Okay. Noted.


They usually are.




So, you edited it in order to stir something in us?


Mama granite city, you know you're my mentor.

Mentoring you in posting vitriolitic posts?! You have me confused with someone else

naijababe:

Mentoring you in posting vitriolitic posts?! You have me confused with someone else

Maybe you didn't know you're Mama Kofosi. No nonsense mama. On your Forex thread, I laughed so hard when you called Seun "Ode buruku."

Chinese are said to be behaving 'uncivily' http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-wonder-why-tourists-behave-badly-054510602.html

Ola one:

Maybe you didn't know you're Mama Kofosi. No nonsense mama. On your Forex thread, I laughed so hard when you called Seun "Ode buruku."

Lol. And i was expecting a ban too but he chose to look the other way.

South Africans, especially the whites, are some of the most irreverent and rude people I have ever worked with, or interacted with. Same with Indians.

Personally I don't mind us being rude or aggressive. I would much prefer that we took that rudeness and aggression, and channeled it into some sort of can-do attitude. The South Africans and Indians are entrepreneural, focused achievers. I don't like the fact that we are rude and aggressive, full stop

AjanleKoko: South Africans, especially the whites, are some of the most irreverent and rude people I have ever worked with, or interacted with . Same with Indians.

Personally I don't mind us being rude or aggressive. I would much prefer that we took that rudeness and aggression, and channeled it into some sort of can-do attitude. The South Africans and Indians are entrepreneural, focused achievers. I don't like the fact that we are rude and aggressive, full stop

Umh......
strange ......
Apparently can't be answered by heirachal dimension of Hofstede's theory


http://geert-hofstede.com/nigeria.html

^^^
Very enlightening indeed

BarryX: We have to define who a foreign trained Nigerian is and who's not. A lot of the so-called ''foreign-trained' left for first degree and subsequent qualifications after their elementary schooling here. So who's a 'locally-trained' Nigerian

As an International Recruiter and in this context, I will define a foreign-trained Nigerian as one with 3 and above years of full time education or 1 year full time education and 2+years full time "proper" work experience. 1 year programmes which many Nigerians travel for, is not usually enough time to have well-rounded experience.

This said, I acknowledge that some people pick on things quickly, so may change their behaviours or reasoning quickly. I have come across people who have lived abroad for 10+years and are worse than locally-trained Nigerians. Interestingly, I have come across people that have never travelled out of the country, but have impeccable manners. It definitely comes down to the individual, but the reality is that the chances of coming across a Nigerian with some or all of these characteristic is way higher than not.

In the world of international recruitment, we see all sorts, but it pains me to say that Nigerians come across as "unreasonably aggressive" - a lot, but I must also add that they are some of the smartest and successful at their careers.

mediainspired: A HARSH TAKE ON FOREIGN-TRAINED NIGERIANS (my general observations).

1. Most of them are over-rated and not half as good, technical or rugged as the Nigerian-trained graduates.

2. Most of them bamboozle would-be employers with fake UK accents and those employes suffering from inferiority-complex are usually deceived and hire them with a smiling face.

3. Most of them are lazy and think top administrative work or supervisory roles over their Nigerian counterparts is their birthright.

4. They usually don't understand the business terrain in Nigerian and can run down a company quickly when handed the keys than a locally-trained Nigerian who knows his onions would.

5. Most of the training is just a waste. The real training they have is the first degree they got in Nigeria before leaving for overseas.

6. Most of them are hired as square pegs in round holes in Nigeria. No real job experience overseas, but they're quickly hired here becos of the foreign certificates (by would-be employers suffering from inferiority complex).

7. After my close relationship with some of them, one thing is clear to me: NO ONE CAN DAZZLE ME WITH A FOREIGN CERTIFICATE. U WILL NEED TO PROVE UR WORTH LIKE EVERYONE ONE ELSE!

I agree with some of what you said and employers are increasingly seeing this too. There has been a massive change in recruiting foreign-based Nigerians. Many employers will not consider people without experience in Nigeria, except for graduate/early career roles and some technical roles. The more commercial and senior a role is, the more likely an employer will be looking for someone with local experience.

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Interesting topic!

I actually believe that Asian ogas expect absolute compliance like their Nigerian counterparts. Here’s my anecdotal experience that you can compare with Nigerian ogas.

An Asian junior partner in my firm tends to want to have his way almost every time during a debate with other associates. He will argue with you until you give up even though you believe you’re right.

In contrast, a Caucasian senior partner once chided me for always agreeing with him when we talk about cases. He said, “Wallie you keep nodding your head in agreement...that’s not want I want!” This is someone with about 35 more years of experience and more plaques on the wall than I have. I now confidently say "hmmm...you're probably wrong because XYZ"

Lastly, watch the video below to see the type of subjugation that occurs in Asia! I would have hit him so hard that his nose bone would poke his brain!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43bEczYIQaY

^^
LOL.

Ironically, sitting in a workshop this morning, I cannot help but wonder if the new template for Corporate Nigeria is a foreign degree and accent

Seems to be everywhere these days.

AjanleKoko: ^^
LOL.

Ironically, sitting in a workshop this morning, I cannot help but wonder if the new template for Corporate Nigeria is a foreign degree and accent

Seems to be everywhere these days.

Someday sha, you will tell us what it is you have against foreign degrees

naijababe:

Someday sha, you will tell us what it is you have against foreign degrees

I'm not sure it's the degree. Means little really.
Must be the accent
Like it was said about Amokachi in 1995, you struggle to understand which one it is. African, British, American, or Acouse

AjanleKoko:

I'm not sure it's the degree. Means little really.
Must be the accent
Like it was said about Amokachi in 1995, you struggle to understand which one it is. African, British, American, or Acouse

I don't think it means little because you go on about it so much . As for the accent, dat na story, me sef get accent and I no be Britico or Yank

naijababe:

I don't think it means little because you go on about it so much . As for the accent, dat na story, me sef get accent and I no be Britico or Yank

If you say so oh.
I think the accent is what makes one take notice of the 'foreign' degree. At least, it is what makes me take notice.
Plenty people get foreign degree for Naija, always been like that. But this new wave of people talking funny in Corporate Nigeria is drawing attention

AjanleKoko:

If you say so oh.
I think the accent is what makes one take notice of the 'foreign' degree.
Plenty people get foreign degree for Naija. But this new wave of people talking funny in Corporate Nigeria is drawing attention

Nothing new in that, has been the case since 19gbongbonron

naijababe:

Nothing new in that, has been the case since 19gbongbonron

Oti oo.
I have been working for just 15 years, and this 'talking funny' wave started in 2008/9. Prior to that, plenty people had foreign degree, but didn't talk with a foreign accent. In fact, if you didn't know, you would never have figured out that they came from abroad.

^ What do i know? I bet if I start speaking now someone will accuse me of forming accent as I often slip into whatever accent I speak with when I am excited and fully immersed in what I am saying.

The point I am trying to make is that people of 'our' generation did the accent thing all the time, even those that went to common Togo would come back with an accent and I recall very well how many of my peers in Sec. school often spoke with an accent for the first few weeks when they vacation abroad. So my friend, it has nothing to do with a foreign degree, it is just what the Nigerian generation X,Y & Z did and still do.

naijababe: ^ What do i know? I bet if I start speaking now someone will accuse me of forming accent as I often slip into whatever accent I speak with when I am excited and fully immersed in what I am saying.

The point I am trying to make is that people of 'our' generation did the accent thing all the time, even those that went to common Togo would come back with an accent and I recall very well how many of my peers in Sec. school often spoke with an accent for the first few weeks when they vacation abroad. So my friend, it has nothing to do with a foreign degree, it is just what the Nigerian generation X,Y & Z did and still do.

Hmm.
Maybe you are right though.
But I am not sure if the influence has ever been as big as it is today. I was at a meeting a few days ago with one Internet behemoth that is now in Nigeria, and the place seems to have focused strictly on recruiting 'repatriate' Nigerians. How did I come to the conclusion? The level of accent flying around was surreal

AjanleKoko:

Hmm.
Maybe you are right though.
But I am not sure if the influence has ever been as big as it is today. I was at a meeting a few days ago with one Internet behemoth that is now in Nigeria, and the place seems to have focused strictly on recruiting 'repatriate' Nigerians. How did I come to the conclusion? The level of accent flying around was surreal

How else are you gonna know they've been abroad. A mechanic's friend in naija broke into convoluted accent when introduced to me a few years back . It is just something that a lot of people in our age bracket do jare

naijababe:

How else are you gonna know they've been abroad. A mechanic's friend in naija broke into convoluted accent when introduced to me a few years back . It is just something that a lot of people in our age bracket do jare

Abegi, stop defending the indefensible jare. Which accent mechanic wan produce? Fuji accent?

AjanleKoko:

Oti oo.
I have been working for just 15 years, and this 'talking funny' wave started in 2008/9. Prior to that, plenty people had foreign degree, but didn't talk with a foreign accent. In fact, if you didn't know, you would never have figured out that they came from abroad.

well more younger people compared to 'back in the days' ar e going for it

I lived in the north a couple of years and I was already using 'fa 'ba etc it's very easy for younger people to pick up accents unwittingly-

then again maybe they are using the accent to counter the second point- aggressiveness

I doubt you can* be overtly aggressive with a british accent

do you dismiss everyone with a foreign degree/accent you work with or you go any extra mile to 'unravel' their packaging

AjanleKoko:

Abegi, stop defending the indefensible jare. Which accent mechanic wan produce? Fuji accent?

Lol. I am not being defensive one jot, all I'm saying is that almost all under 45s in naija do it.
@ disguy, i bet he goes the extra mile to unravel their packaging

Dis Guy: then again maybe they are using the accent to counter the second point- aggressiveness

I doubt you cant be overtly aggreesive with a british accent

do you dismiss everyone with a foreign degree/accent you work with or you go any extra mile to 'unravel' their packaging

Why are you guys on the defensive?
Are you scared of getting 'unravelled'?

The accent thing is a natural phenomenon. Place anyone in a foreign land long enough and he'll pick up elements of the local speech patterns, idioms and culture, it's natural.

Examples:
• Foreigners in Nigeria pick up pidgin English and other Naija mannerisms too if they want/stay long enough.
• Joey Barton spoke with a French accent at press conferences and interviews while playing in France
• A British missionary was in my church a few weeks ago and he spoke Afrikaans, Shona & Ndebele (an extremely hard-to-learn click sounding Southern African language) cos he lived there as a missionary.
• Youth corpers pick up local expressions of the places they are posted to.

However, because a large proportion of Nigerians who travel abroad visit and study in the UK & US, we hear these accents more, and the number increases yearly.

On the other hand, notice also that even Nigerians who haven't been to foreign lands can do an accent too if they want cos they hear these things on TV/radio all the time, and are unconsciously influenced when in the company of people who speak so (probably the case of the mechanic naijababe was talking about).

AjanleKoko:

Why are you guys on the defensive?
Are you scared of getting 'unravelled'?

Defensive ke i dey kampe in my own lil corner

more like why are you being 'aggressive' atleast everyone now know you get kwanta
with anyone with a foreign degree

reminds one of Ishmael who won't stop beating BSc student with his 'proper' HND

Dis Guy:

Defensive ke i dey kampe in my own lil corner

more like why are you being 'aggressive' atleast everyone now know you get kwanta
with anyone with a foreign degree

reminds one of Ishmael who won't stop beating BSc student with his 'proper' HND

LOL.
I do sympathize with Ishmael tho

Dis Guy:

Defensive ke i dey kampe in my own lil corner

more like why are you being 'aggressive' atleast everyone now know you get kwanta
with anyone with a foreign degree

reminds one of Ishmael who won't stop beating BSc student with his 'proper' HND

Proper HND?? Hahahaha

Dis Guy:

Defensive ke i dey kampe in my own lil corner

more like why are you being 'aggressive' atleast everyone now know you get kwanta
with anyone with a foreign degree

reminds one of Ishmael who won't stop beating BSc student with his 'proper' HND

+1*1E6

AjanleKoko:

Why are you guys on the defensive?
Are you scared of getting 'unravelled'?

it's you that need to sort out your insecurities....