ayenny02: It is universally believed, in both the Christian and the Muslim worlds, that Jesus will come again to this world at the end of the age.

I propose to make a brief study of both the Christian and Islamic teachings about the return of Jesus Christ from heaven and to know which religion jesus will practice when he comes back between the two religion.

In christianity we have many bible, many churches, many Gods and many doctrine with different ideologies and they are not worship in the same church

while

In islam,we have one Quran, one God, many sects but worship in the same mosque, believe in the same God and facing the same Qibla

LET SEE THE VERSES FROM BIBLE AND ISLAM OF COMING BACK OF JESUS CHRIST

1. THE RETURN OF JESUS IN THE BIBLE.

Matthew 16:27   For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.


Matthew 24:30  "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn.  they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 

Matthew 24: 36-39  No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.   As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.   For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;  and they knew nothng about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away.  That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.


Mark 8:36-38    What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?  If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with holy angels.

2. THE RETURN OF JESUS IN ISLAM

Furthermore, Allah (God) also says in the Quran, "And he (Jesus shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Resurrection); therefore have no doubt about it (the Hour). And follow me (Allah), this is a Straight Path." (Quran 43: 61)

Huzaifa bin Usaid  reported that Prophet Mohammad suddenly came to us while we were talking. He asked, "What are you talking about?" We replied "We were talking about the Last Hour." Prophet (s) said, "It will never come until you see ten signs before it. He then mentioned the Smoke, the Dajjal (Anti-Christ), the Daabba, the Rising of the Sun from the place of its setting, the Descent of Jesus son of Mary (from Heaven), Yajuj and Ma'juj (Gog & MaGog)..."  (Sahih Muslim)

 

Prophet Mohammad said: "In the meantime, while the Dajjal will be busy doing this and this, Allah will send down the Messiah son of Mary (Jesus). He (Jesus) will descend in the eastern part of Damascus, near the white minaret (tower), dressed in the two yellow garments, with his hands resting on the arms of two angels. When he will bend down his head, water drops will appear trickling down, and when he will raise it, it will appear as though pearl--like drops are rolling down. Any disbeliever whom the air of his breath reaches, and it will reach up to the last limit of his sight, will fall dead. Then, the son of Mary will go in pursuit of the Dajjal, and will overtake him at the gate of Lud , and will kill him." (Sahih Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmizi, Ibn Majah).

QUESTION
*Which one is the straight path jesus will follow when comes back

pointblank 321:

Your thread is very interesting. When Jesus was about to ascend, He was addressing His disciples and said and I quote:

John 14:1
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.


John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:4
And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

From the above, we can draw the following concussions: 1. Jesus said he is the only way (verse 6). This means he is not coming for anybody who does not want to go to heaven through him. 2. He was addressing his disciple and he said HE WAS COMING BACK FOR THEM (verse 3), which by implication, He was referring to the disciples and those who follow their footsteps.

pointblank 321:

I am happy you said Muhammad said "Allah will send down the Messiah son of Mary (Jesus)". That shows even Muhammad knew Jesus is the Messiah. It is he who has the duty of saving mankind.

pointblank 321:

Besides, it is the Christians that are experiencing Jesus manifestations today. We call him and he answers us. I wonder who again he is coming for if not the Christian who he has been interacting with ever since.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02: The link you gave makes the quran invalid. All it attempts to do is to disqualify Jesus as the Messiah. Muhammad said Jesus is Messiah. Quran said Jesus is Messiah. If Muhammad was wrong in his hadith as a man, was Allah too wrong in the quran. One of the things I notice about the muslims is that they are ready to defend their religion even against the quran.

Somebody said jokingly that if a muslim is praying and somebody comes to him saying Allah is calling him, he will say wait I'm coming, let me finish my prayer. You have more allegiance to the religion than Allah who owns it.

The name 'Christian' was not given by Jesus but by the people of Antioch who saw the disciples' behaviours and noted they were like Christ. Christianity is only an appellation. Nobody is going to heaven because is a Christian. Christ is coming for his church, that is those who have his Spirit.

The church is the body of Christ, those who have the Holy Spirit, not the building of the church as in Ephesians 5:25
''Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church and gave himself for it''. He will surely come for those to whom he gave his body.

Jesus Christ is coming for his church, it is just that members of his church are in Christiendom. He is not coming for every Christian but his church.

How can he come for the muslims who are not interacting with him. Those who say Jesus did not come to save them. I am sure if you hear somebody mention Jesus, you know the kind of hatred that emerges from inside you. How do you expect him to come for you? It is not possible.

Quran says Jesus was not killed but disappeared to heaven. Why did he have to disappear? It was because some people made an attempt on his life. What for? Because he called himself the Son of God. His disciples were killed for the same reason. Muslims are following the path of those who made themselves Jesus enemies and yet expect him to come for them. Never.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02: The link you gave makes the quran invalid. All it attempts to do is to disqualify Jesus as the Messiah. Muhammad said Jesus is Messiah. Quran said Jesus is Messiah. If Muhammad was wrong in his hadith as a man, was Allah too wrong in the quran. One of the things I notice about the muslims is that they are ready to defend their religion even against the quran.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02:
The name 'Christian' was not given by Jesus but by the people of Antioch who saw the disciples' behaviours and noted they were like Christ. Christianity is only an appellation. Nobody is going to heaven because is a Christian. Christ is coming for his church, that is those who have his Spirit.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02:
How can he come for the muslims who are not interacting with him. Those who say Jesus did not come to save them. I am sure if you hear somebody mention Jesus, you know the kind of hatred that emerges from inside you. How do you expect him to come for you? It is not possible.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02: You are too conscious of religion as a muslim. God is not interested in religion. The Jews were so good in religious activities yet they were wrong and that was why Jesus came. I don't think the muslims are better than the Pharisees in religious services, still Jesus condemned their religion. Jesus did not lay any emphasis on religion but following him. Following his teachings.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02:

You people give honour to Muhammad and have no connection with Jesus. Do you mention Jesus in your routine prayers or religious activities. Is it not when you want to argue you remember him. How do expect him to come for you? It is certain that he will not come for muslims who are on the same path with those who constituted themselves as the enemies of his mission on earth.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02:

Maybe you have another Jesus that is coming for the muslims but certainly not Jesus Christ of Nasareth.

ayenny02:
I asked you a simple question you can't answer it. You said Jesus did not recognised or practised the christianity as a religion,YES I agreed with that, and jesus came for one purpose and teaching;

Jesus in the Bible guaranteed Paradise to non-Trinitarians. 

Jesus a second time confirmed that the Law of Moses is the way to "Eternal Life".

The book of Ezekiel and the Old Testament clearly and directly refutes the "Salvation through trinity" lie!

Jesus in John 17:4 further clarifies the Salvation concept and refutes the "closed-minded" Christians.

Can you tell me the core belief of Christianity then that relate to the teaching of Jesus Christ?We honour Prophet Jesus more than anybody in this world.
I will give you one hadith about the coming of jesus christ and I want you to bring any authoritative reference that Jesus is coming for you christian:

Abu Huraira  reported that Prophet Mohammad (saw)said, "By the one whose hands my life is in, surely the Son of  Mary(as) will descend amongst you as a just ruler. He will destroy the cross (this could mean that Jesus will put a final end to Christianity), kill the pig (meaning Jesus will outlaw raising pigs) and abolish the Jizya (this tax on Christians & Jews will be abolished because Christianity and Judaism will end.)."   (Sahih Bukhari)

Don't forget you said the christianity was not the religion of jesus christ so his second coming will help you to destroy it

Yes Jesus (as) is coming for the muslims who believe in One God, and worship the true One God or are you christians worshiped One God?

Ayomivic:
it seems you don't know what you are saying.if Jesus is coming for muslims what would Asaaju-Eda Baba Fatimon would be doing? or is he no longer Asaju Eda? You know the way but you will not follow it.

Ayomivic: @ayenny02 Now,let me address the cunning tittle you people give to yourself.'MUSLIMS' If you are asked the meaning of muslim i know you will say it mean total 'submission to God' am i correct? Ok if 'Muslim' mean submissive, we all know that the word 'Muslim' (submissive) is nothing but 'tittle' as the word 'Christian' wich mean people like christ. It is a descriptive tittle that has nothing no power to change person's characters. If you are bearing Mr Gold does that mean you are created with gold? Or you are in possession of gold?it may not mean that

If Muslim are using the tittle( muslim) as their good, does that mean every body who bear the tittle (muslim) will go to heaven include boko boys who killed innocent people. If you say they are not muslims,they themself believe they are muslim and what they are doing are right.Also Jesus christ was a perfect man with that we can say he was suabmissive to God.Christian mean people like christ,if christians are like christ then that mean they are submissive to God too.

If muslim want to claim they are submissive to God because they are fasting,observed salat,they are pilgrimage,they give sakat.How many prophet observe salat or being a pligrimage before they can be submissive to God.

Pls muslims should stop using ordnary tittle to deceive people,God would not judge us by what we call ourself,but he would judge us by what we are because he knows the mind of man.

ayenny02:
Before I can answer your question which religion you belong to?

Ayomivic:
Christian, of course

pointblank 321: @ayenny02: You are quoting me out of context. I said Jesus is coming for his church, the body of Christ who he died for and that the Christians are the members of his church. If you are not a member, he is not coming for you.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02:
You do not know the interpretation of spiritual words. Yes, no more cross. Jesus is coming to establish a government of 1000 years and not a religion. Only members of his church will be there, others will be thrown into hell. Pig is the figurative appearance of the Devil. The hadith is not talking about food or meat. It is talking about the coming of Jesus. He is coming to destroy the pig (the Devil).

pointblank 321: @ayenny02:
One God. Muslims can not woo Jesus with one-God issue. Judaism too teaches one-God. If one-God is what is needed for salvation, Jesus would not have come becos he met them practicing one-God. If the Jew could not attract Jesus with one-God, muslims cannot.

ayenny02:
What do you see to the topic, I want to see your own idea. Which religion Jesus will practice when he comes back?

ayenny02:
What do you see to the topic, I want to see your own idea. Which religion Jesus will practice when he comes back?

Ayomivic:

Jesus is coming back for real christian.they were the one he promised to come for

Let not your heart be troubled believe in God believe also in me.in my father house are many mansions if it were not so,i would have told you i go to prepare a place for you (christian).And if i go and prepare a place for you i will come again, and receive you unto myself that where i am, there you may be also.And whither i go you know,AND THE WAY YOU KNOW. (John 14:1-4)

Ayomivic:


Did Jesus die for you? If he did not die for you he can't come for you for you are not part of sheep.

Ayomivic:


As per the religion Jesus will follow when he comes back, Jesus would not follow any religion because he is greater than any religion.When he comes, the people who obeyed his teaching and his warning would follow him.These people are christians,(people like christ) ,they are saints, they are sons and daughter of God, they are beloved .

ayenny02: John 14:1-4
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know

WHERE DID JESUS MENTION "CHRISTIAN" IN THAT VERSES YOU QUOTED (LIAR)
Jesus' death is a violation of the clear OT commands prohibiting human sacrifices. Since Jesus was also under the Law (Gal. 4:4), his death would be an express violation of the commands of God which did not allow for humans to be put to death, only animals.


Chairman don't talk without proof, pls give me verses where Jesus said he will come for the christians when jesus himself don't know the word "Christianity" in bible

pointblank 321: @ayenny02: I notice you always skip important points and hammer the unimportant ones. What do you see to Muhammad referring to Jesus as his Lord/God in the hadith you quoted? The One (God) who holds Muhammad's life. Thank God it is in English not arabic, everybody can read and understand. JESUS IS LORD EVEN TO MUHAMMAD.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02:
Please how do honour Jesus in islam? Your saying that Jesus is a prophet like other prophets has be been refuted by Muhammad himself.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02:
Since Jesus hold our lives, muslims inclusive, you better turn to Him. Muhammad cannot save himself talk less of others. Muhammad himself will account for his life in front of Jesus. I'm sure you know Jesus is not among the people crossing from hell to paradise, which Muhammad will lead. Jesus is a ruler in heaven not the ruled. I advise you stop your posts and defence for islam that does not offer salvation to anybody.

ayenny02: So you want to use style to derail from the topic, I have asked you many question and you refused to answer it, I will advice to you to cool down to read the hadith very well becos I can see you u r shaking

Prophet Mohammad (saw)said, "By the one whose hands my life is in, surely the Son of  Mary(as) will descend amongst you as a just ruler."

Just clear statement that he said "by the one who own his soul I.e God and continue with the statement that surely jesus will descend amongst muslim as a just ruler


One of our way we honour him is that we pray to him whenever his name is mentioned by saying ALAYHIM SALAM WA SALAM


There is no saviour besides GOD:

I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour. (Isaiah 43:11)

Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me. (Hosea 13:4)

And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. (Luke 1:47)

These verses refute the Christian phrase “Jesus is my lord and saviour”. There is no Saviour besides Yahweh! Jesus never claimed to be “Lord and Saviour” to the Jews. He explicitly said “I do not accept praise from men” (John 5:41) “In vain do they worship me” (Matthew 15:9, Mark 7:7) and “The Father is greater than I” (John 14:28) etc

Ayomivic:

If Jesus did not know the word Christianity, i believe he knows his deciples and his followers and they were the one he promised he would come back for

Ayomivic:

.so you too can tell us the religion of his deciples.

Ayomivic:
Are they Jews or Muslims or Christian? You know the answer

pointblank 321:

All your Bible quotations are out of context. You did not take into consideration what is said before and after the statements. You also did not take into account the event that gave rise to the statements. In other words, your defence is invalid. The stereo-typed answers you post were not well researched.

But are you saying your prophet didn't know what he was saying? Okay, I can see, you are more knowledgeable than the prophet. That is very good of you.

pointblank 321: @ayenny02: I notice you always skip important points and hammer the unimportant ones. What do you see to Muhammad referring to Jesus as his Lord/God in the hadith you quoted? The One (God) who holds Muhammad's life. Thank God it is in English not arabic, everybody can read and understand. JESUS IS LORD EVEN TO MUHAMMAD.

Please how do honour Jesus in islam? Your saying that Jesus is a prophet like other prophets has be been refuted by Muhammad himself.

Since Jesus hold our lives, muslims inclusive, you better turn to Him. Muhammad cannot save himself talk less of others. Muhammad himself will account for his life in front of Jesus. I'm sure you know Jesus is not among the people crossing from hell to paradise, which Muhammad will lead. Jesus is a ruler in heaven not the ruled. I advise you stop your posts and defence for islam that does not offer salvation to anybody.

cleanvessel: You muslim guys are very funny. All your statements are good

cleanvessel:
1. None of the people in the bible prayed like the muslims. No one completee the ablution process. No washing of mouth, noise ear etc and no facing kabah. It is all a lie. A Christian can take any position to pray, including prostrating, lying facing up or down.

2. Muslims way of praying is a continuation of moo-god worship. They way the muslims pray today is the same way Muhammad met his family praying before he turned it to islam. Moon is the symbol of islam because it is a worship of the moon-god. Everything about islam is about moon including the ramadan fasting. I know your common excuse is that moon is Gods creation. Every instrument the devil use is created by God.

3. How then do you in your imagination think Jesus will come for idol worshipers the muslims are. It is a pity the devil made you believe you are worshiping God but it will be too late before you will realize it. Even ifa (an idol in yoruba) faithfuls too believe they are worshiping Olodumare (God).

cleanvessel:
4. You guys say you honour Jesus by praying for him. Do you think he is Muhammad that was pleading for prayers because he was not sure of his destination after death? Who are you to pray for Jesus in heaven? Sinners praying for the saint. It is amusing. Your prayer for the death muslims cannot work, it is share ignorance. If prayer works for the dead, nobody will go to hell.

cleanvessel: @ ayenny02
You have proved to the readers that your religion is a FRAUD. Islam is about falsifying the word of God by changing what He says.

I said ''all your statements are good but for a joke'' but when you wanted to quote me you said: ''all your statements are good. Does that convey the same message? That is exactly what quran does - deliberately misquoting God's words, an attribute of Satan.