striktlymi:

If the Christian God is not the real God then why are you still a Christian?


#Sorry Anony for derailing a bit. I couldn't help but notice the irony.

Couldn't you now , lol.

Note qualification 'Christian'.

Besides , since when did we start to qualify God as the Christian God , Jewish God etc ? There is ONE True GOD and the GOD of all .

To hijack him as the GOD of only Christians is arrogance par excellence.

" ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ " - Acts 17:28

- Paul.

Bidam: I knew you would come up with this lame assertions of "alone" which is only found in your bible.The hypocrisy of it all is that your fathers have actually predicted times without number that the world will end on set dates and till date their prophecies has not come to pass. Or do you want me to quote all of their statements in this thread?

Now is that the issue here or you just want to run around this thread aimlessly.......

I have shown you a first hand evidence of Jesus not being part of a trinity,not all knowing and being under the only one GOD the Father and you're here spewing rubbish.....

Oh and you don't need to quote those statements they are all over nairaland......

The main issue here is how I want to kick your trinitarian butt out of this thread for good........



Oh I forgot.....it is the NLT I used.....

If it isn't clear you can peruse these other renditions...


GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
Jesus told them, "You don't need
to know about times or periods
that the Father has determined
by his own authority.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And he said unto them, It is not
for you to know the times or the
seasons, which the Father has put
in his own power.



.......

ijawkid:

Now is that the issue here or you just want to run around this thread aimlessly

ofcos that's the issue.You quoted a scripture without having a proper knowledge of it. The question is did your organization not see this particular scripture before shooting their mouths to the whole wide world? it all boils down to hypocrisy if you ask me.

I have shown you a first hand evidence of Jesus not being part of a trinity,not all knowing and being under the only one GOD the Father and you're here spewing rubbish

Oh! you mean first hand evidence of your foolishness?

Oh and you don't need to quote those statements they are all over nairaland......

Ok since you begged me not to i won't.

The main issue here is how I want to kick your trinitarian butt out of this thread for good........

I dey laff.The more you twist and turn the more the truth keep staring at you in the face.

Oh I forgot.....it is the NLT I used.....

Ofcos that is your style jumping from on translation to another

If it isn't clear you can peruse these other renditions...

I did and i saw how hopelessly and helplessly you made so much effort in making that scripture say what you want it to say. The term "Son" can be referring to either Jesus' human nature or his Divine Person. So Jesus obviously was referring to his human nature not knowing the day, but that was at the moment he said it. Later in scripture Jesus says he is given all that the Father has, which means at that point Jesus in his human nature now has all that knowledge and power of his Father. But remember that Jesus in his divine person always had that knowledge and power from eternity to eternity. Another thing also to note is that Christ's professed ignorance of this day and hour is hyperbole (overstatement that is not literal). It is a figurative expression that this mystery lies beyond the scope of what the Father intends the Son to reveal. The Father and the Son share everything in common, including their divine knowledge.

All things have been handed over to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wishes to reveal him. (Mt 11:27)

The Father loves the Son and has given everything over to him. (Jn 3:35).

Bidam: ofcos that's the issue.You quoted a scripture without having a proper knowledge of it. The question is did your organization not see this particular scripture before shooting their mouths to the whole wide world? it all boils down to hypocrisy if you ask me.

Lol......hypocrisy??...so you mean if we have come to understand this scripture we should have remained adamant and not make adjustments......you are becoming so much emotional....well let's get down with your exposition...

Bidam:
Oh! you mean first hand evidence of your foolishness?

Lol...let's see who the foolish one is.....

Bidam:

Ok since you begged me not to i won't.
I dey laff.The more you twist and turn the more the truth keep staring at you in the face.

Twist??....you're the one about twisting clear cut scriptures........

Bidam:

Ofcos that is your style jumping from on translation to another

No need...all rendition agree on this.....abi you get contrary one??...

Bidam:

I did and i saw how hopelessly and helplessly you made so much effort in making that scripture say what you want it to say. The term "Son" can be referring to either Jesus' human nature or his Divine Person. So Jesus obviously was referring to his human nature not knowing the day, but that was at the moment he said it. Later in scripture Jesus says he is given all that the Father has, which means at that point Jesus in his human nature now has all that knowledge and power of his Father. But remember that Jesus in his divine person always had that knowledge and power from eternity to eternity. Another thing also to note is that Christ's professed ignorance of this day and hour is hyperbole (overstatement that is not literal). It is a figurative expression that this mystery lies beyond the scope of what the Father intends the Son to reveal. The Father and the Son share everything in common, including their divine knowledge.

Lmao...my belle don full for laugh....you know the funny thing......it is how you just tried helping Jesus when he didn't beg you....
Jesus would be shaking his head and saying what is this BIDAM saying.......

I just quoted another scripture when Jesus was no longer the human he was before his death.....

Oboy you dey show your ignorance full time...imitate Jesus by saying I don't know and stop this circus and somersaulting

So Jesus not knowing the day and hour is now a hyperbole....abi the meaning of hyperbole don change??....

Bidam:

All things have been handed over to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son wishes to reveal him. (Mt 11:27)

The Father loves the Son and has given everything over to him. (Jn 3:35).

When Jesus made these statements you quoted was he God the human son or God the divine son??........

If Jesus has said in human that the Father has given him everything and then later went further to say the day and Hour only the Father knew,what does that tell your trinitarian HEAD.......??......read 1 corinthians 15:27-28 to get the answer incase you miss road.......


Why should Jesus be receiving anything to start with........he is suppose to be GOD...remember??.......

frosbel:


Couldn't you now , lol.

Note qualification 'Christian'.

Besides , since when did we start to qualify God as the Christian God , Jewish God etc ? There is ONE True GOD and the GOD of all .

To hijack him as the GOD of only Christians is arrogance par excellence.

" ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ " - Acts 17:28

- Paul.

I guess you also agree with him when he said:

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"

If you agree with him, the question still is: why are you Christian?

Don't worry it's striktlymi...this is just a product of seun's butthurt.

ijawkid:
.




I just quoted another scripture when Jesus was no longer the human he was before his death.....

sorry had to edit. The point is was Jesus still having His flesh before his Ascension to the Father or not? was the body terrestrial or celestial

outc@st:


I guess you also agree with him when he said:

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man"

If you agree with him, the question still is: why are you Christian?

Don't worry it's striktlymi...this is just a product of seun's butthurt.

Christianity as defined and underpinned by western history and culture is fraudulent , pagan and downright evil, if you ask me. Why ? You only need to flip through the pages of history to realise how barbaric, cruel , evil and wicked this religion was and still is. Examples , the crusades, instituted torture by the catholic church, development of demonic doctrines like eternal torture etc , exploitation of the poor , wars etc .

But be aware that Jesus came to show the WAY to GOD and into his kingdom, he did not come to start a religion called Christianity.

Also , the followers of Jesus were first called Christians in Antioch , which was more like a derogatory term for the followers of Christ , there is not one mention of Christianity in the bible.

Jesus is the WAY , the TRUTH , the LIFE - There is no other method of pleasing GOD and knowing him than through JESUS.

To find Jesus is to find life , to reject him is to accept inevitable and irreversible death.

frosbel:

Christianity as defined and underpinned by western history and culture is fraudulent , pagan and downright evil, if you ask me. Why ? You only need to flip through the pages of history to realise how barbaric, cruel , evil and wicked this religion was and still is. Examples , the crusades, instituted torture by the catholic church, development of demonic doctrines like eternal torture etc , exploitation of the poor , wars etc .

But be aware that Jesus came to show the WAY to GOD and into his kingdom, he did not come to start a religion called Christianity.

Also , the followers of Jesus were first called Christians in Antioch , which was more like a derogatory term for the followers of Christ , there is not one mention of Christianity in the bible.

Jesus is the WAY , the TRUTH , the LIFE - There is no other method of pleasing GOD and knowing him than through JESUS.

To find Jesus is to find life , to reject him is to accept inevitable and irreversible death.

frosbel:

Christianity as defined and underpinned by western history and culture is fraudulent , pagan and downright evil, if you ask me. Why ? You only need to flip through the pages of history to realise how barbaric, cruel , evil and wicked this religion was and still is. Examples , the crusades, instituted torture by the catholic church, development of demonic doctrines like eternal torture etc , exploitation of the poor , wars etc .

But be aware that Jesus came to show the WAY to GOD and into his kingdom, he did not come to start a religion called Christianity.

Also , the followers of Jesus were first called Christians in Antioch , which was more like a derogatory term for the followers of Christ , there is not one mention of Christianity in the bible.

Jesus is the WAY , the TRUTH , the LIFE - There is no other method of pleasing GOD and knowing him than through JESUS.

To find Jesus is to find life , to reject him is to accept inevitable and irreversible death.

Honest question now: Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?

This guy is becoming sicker than i thought. Why can't he just humbly accept that he erred.

outc@st:



Honest question now: Do you consider yourself to be a Christian?

I am a Christian according to the definition of Acts 11:26.

Χριστιανός (cf. Lightfoot on Philip., p. 16 note), Χριστιανου, ὁ (Χριστός), a Christian, a follower of Christ: Acts 11:26; Acts 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16. The name was first given to the worshippers of Jesus by the Gentiles, but from the second century (Justin Martyr (e. g. Apology 1, 4, p. 55 a.; dialog contra Trypho, § 35; cf. 'Teaching etc. 12, 4 [ET])) onward accepted by them as a title of honor.

frosbel:

I am a Christian according to the definition of Acts 11:26.

Χριστιανός (cf. Lightfoot on Philip., p. 16 note), Χριστιανου, ὁ (Χριστός), a Christian, a follower of Christ: Acts 11:26; Acts 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16. The name was first given to the worshippers of Jesus by the Gentiles, but from the second century (Justin Martyr (e. g. Apology 1, 4, p. 55 a.; dialog contra Trypho, § 35; cf. 'Teaching etc. 12, 4 [ET])) onward accepted by them as a title of honor.

That's good to know but what Thomas Jefferson said applies to every Christian.

If you noticed, he even attacked Sacred scriptures with some of his words.

Anyways, there is no need going down this road since I have gotten a confirmation on your stance. I hope it does not change!

outc@st:


That's good to know but what Thomas Jefferson said applies to every Christian.

If you noticed, he even attacked Sacred scriptures with some of his words.

Anyways, there is no need going down this road since I have gotten a confirmation on your stance. I hope it does not change!

I do not change my position like some who change their IDs on a daily basis to hide their real person and intent

Bidam: sorry had to edit. The point is was Jesus still having His flesh before his Ascension to the Father or not? was the body terrestrial or celestial

Lol........ahhhh.....the height of escapism.........

You are just a disgrace to the scriptures.......

So the glorified Jesus is now still ignorant??.........the same glorified ressurected Jesus who told his disciples that all power has been given to him and also breathed the holy spirit into them is still as ignorant as before his death.......

Are you sure we can really preach about Jesus anymore to non-christians??

Because as it seems its like it wasn't Jesus who came to the earth after all........

We have Jesus who is God,we have Jesus who dropped his divinity(abandonded his knowledge,even denied being good, etc) and we then finally have the Jesus who is both God and man.......

Y'all are sick.......

If I wasn't reading the scriptures I would have believed Gods son didn't even come to the earth with all this evasive comments of trinitarians like you.......

Maybe all we should do is discard all of Jesus' words when on earth into the dustbin since he was human and was ignorant of so many things.....

Who knows if the other things Jesus told us was not a scam as well........

Rubbish!!!!!!!

frosbel:

I am a Christian according to the definition of Acts 11:26.

Χριστιανός (cf. Lightfoot on Philip., p. 16 note), Χριστιανου, ὁ (Χριστός), a Christian, a follower of Christ: Acts 11:26; Acts 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16. The name was first given to the worshippers of Jesus by the Gentiles, but from the second century (Justin Martyr (e. g. Apology 1, 4, p. 55 a.; dialog contra Trypho, § 35; cf. 'Teaching etc. 12, 4 [ET])) onward accepted by them as a title of honor.

stop fooling around this was what you said initially

frosbel: Also , the followers of Jesus were first called Christians in Antioch , which was more like a derogatory term for the followers of Christ , there is not one mention of Christianity in the bible.

So as far as i am concerned you are not even a christian according to Acts 11 :26 Which you quoted earlier to start with.

ijawkid:

Lol........ahhhh.....the height of escapism.........

You are just a disgrace to the scriptures.......

So the glorified Jesus is now still ignorant??.........the same glorified ressurected Jesus who told his disciples that all power has been given to him and also breathed the holy spirit into them is still as ignorant as before his death.......

Are you sure we can really preach about Jesus anymore to non-christians??

Because as it seems its like it wasn't Jesus who came to the earth after all........

We have Jesus who is God,we have Jesus who dropped his divinity(abandonded his knowledge,even denied being good, etc) and we then finally have the Jesus who is both God and man.......

Y'all are sick.......

If I wasn't reading the scriptures I would have believed Gods son didn't even come to the earth with all this evasive comments of trinitarians like you.......

Maybe all we should do is discard all of Jesus' words when on earth into the dustbin since he was human and was ignorant of so many things.....

Who knows if the other things Jesus told us was not a scam as well........

Rubbish!!!!!!!

#yawns# all these rantings without substance. You haven't still answered my question Ijawkid. and as for glorification we are all created for God's glory na.

Bidam: #yawns# all these rantings without substance. You haven't still answered my question Ijawkid. and as for glorification we are all created for God's glory na.

You better face this discussion or keep silent.........

Its obvious u no longer know the Jesus which you claim to be your God......

1...Human Jesus is ignorant because he had blood flowing through his veins...

2...Glorified Jesus who has been given all power from The Father still says he is ignorant of what he said when he was flesh and blood......

3....Revelation 1:1....
New International Version
(©2011)
The revelation from Jesus Christ,
which God gave him to show his
servants what must soon take
place. He made it known by
sending his angel to his servant
John,

In heaven he still waits on the Father who knows all things to feed him with information.......


You call these points rants??......

You must be on weed.......

striktlymi:

If the Christian God is not the real God then why are you still a Christian?


#Sorry Anony for derailing a bit. I couldn't help but notice the irony.

Excellent question.

No need to apologize

Mehn!! @Frosbel seems to be having a confused meltdown here. First he attacks the "christian" label, saying it is unscriptural, of Pagan origin and a derogatory term for followers of Christ. Then finding no other place(label) to Lay his head, he comes back with his tail between his legs, trying to sneak back into the same identity he so eloquently dismantled.

Abi fear don catch am??.

LWKMD

okeyxyz: Mehn!! @Frosbel seems to be having a confused meltdown here. First he attacks the "christian" label, saying it is unscriptural, of Pagan origin and a derogatory term for followers of Christ. Then finding no other place(label) to Lay his head, he comes back with his tail between his legs, trying to sneak back into the same identity he so eloquently dismantled.

LWKMD!!!

I am a Christian, but I do not belong to a religion called Christianity, I belong to Jesus .

Be rest assured that my thinking and analytical faculties are very much intact.

LWKMD back to you

^^^ Surely the only reason you still tolerate the "christian" label is because you are yet to find another to identify with. So when that "other" comes along, I'm sure you would speedily repent of your "christian" identity.

You should be attacking people for abusing the "christian" label(and doctrine) instead of attacking the label itself.

ayenny02: "Son of God" is the same as "Servant of God" in Hebrew!

God speaks to the nation as though he were a single person. Israel is, in fact, God's son (Exod 4:22 Deut 14:1 Jer 31:9 Hosea 11:1)

I say amen to all those. But note that in Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 God speaks as multiple persons. Remember my argument is that God is one being but not one person

Israel's Father nurtures him to grow up and become a worshiping servant (Exod 4:23 — "Let my son go that he may serve me"."

This has nothing to do with the op

New King James Version
Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities

COMPARE IT
King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities

I also don't know what these verses prove or disprove

HOLY SPIRIT AND HOLY GHOST MEAN ANGEL GABRIEL
Matthew 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Compare now with Luke 1:26-27
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Mattew mentioned holy ghost and luke mentioned the angel gabriel, so the HOLY GHOST is then the ANGEL GABRIEL

False. You should have continued reading Luke Chapter 1 from 26 down to 35 and you would have come across this:

Luke 1:35 The angel answered, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

The above verse shows Gabriel is not the same as the Holy Spirit.

From my explanation above God is ONE not three person
Thks

Nice try but no cigar. Thanks

ijawkid:

The bolded contradicts 1 corinthians 8:6......

And don't go on yapping about....

New International Version
(©2011)
yet for us there is but one God,
the Father, from whom all things
came and for whom we live; and
there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things
came and through whom we live.


To us there is ONE GOD who is one being and he is the FATHER...

You would have to re-write scriptures to support your false stance

Lol no it doesn't. The verse you quoted agrees with statement 1 and statement 2 but it doesn't contradict the rest.

Yes God is One, Yes the Father is God. . .but note this does not say that Jesus is not God, neither does it say that the Holy Spirit is not God. It contradicts nothing.

musKeeto:
So you dey whatsapp? You still get my number?

I think I still do, I'm not sure. Do you have my number? You can add me on Whatsapp sha if you do

inspiredbyGOD:.:

The word "God" is just a title hence it can be used to refer to both Christ and the Holy Spirit. What I want you to show me is a verse that explicitly states that the Father {God} is one being and yet three persons at the same time.

You'll have to show where you found the bolded in scripture. Secondly statement 11 is the inevitable conclusion you get to if all preceding 10 statements are true. wouldn't you agree?

Money constraints bro, had to sell my phone. The current one I'm using does not support the application. Hope to get a new one soon. I even lost your number when my sim got damaged, could you kindly resend it?

Uhm can't post my phone number here mate. Have you still got my email addy?

Mr anony:
Lol no it doesn't. The verse you quoted agrees with statement 1 and statement 2 but it doesn't contradict the rest.

Yes God is One, Yes the Father is God. . .but note this does not say that Jesus is not God, neither does it say that the Holy Spirit is not God. It contradicts nothing.

Anony,,,,anony,,,,,,,,chei...smh......I am not saying Jesus is not called God ....anything or person can be called GOD....

The question is who is the one GOD??.....


The Father is the one GOD.....abi you know see am for the 1 corinthians 8:6 you read??.......

Why are you been dubious??......

Does 1 corinthians give any space for the son and the holy spirit??......

Or make I bring pen make we add the son and holy spirit to the one GOD??.........

ijawkid:

Anony,,,,anony,,,,,,,,chei...smh......I am not saying Jesus is not called God ....anything or person can be called GOD....

The question is who is the one GOD??.....


The Father is the one GOD.....abi you know see am for the 1 corinthians 8:6 you read??.......

Why are you been dubious??......

Does 1 corinthians give any space for the son and the holy spirit??......

Or make I bring pen make we add the son and holy spirit to the one GOD??.........

And I say Amen! you have agreed with statement 1 but it does not contradict any of the statements I made.

Mr anony:
And I say Amen! you have agreed with statement 1 but it does not contradict any of the statements I made.

Lol.

Who determines what contradicts what and does not contradict ? You ? Lol.

Guy, you funny die.

Keep deluding yourself.

*sigh*

truthislight:

Lol.

Who determines what contradicts what and does not contradict ? You ? Lol.

Guy, you funny die.

Keep deluding yourself.

*sigh*

uhm, have you had your vitamins this morning?

Mr anony:
And I say Amen! you have agreed with statement 1 but it does not contradict any of the statements I made.

lol....

just open even half a verse that says God is one being but 3 persons....

just one...

i had opened a scripture to show the Father is the one God overall(Jesus inclusive).....


please we need your triology verse....

we dey wait....no dancing around....just averse bro

ijawkid:

lol....

just open even half a verse that says God is one being but 3 persons....

just one...

i had opened a scripture to show the Father is the one God overall(Jesus inclusive).....


please we need your triology verse....

we dey wait....no dancing around....just averse bro

This is the challenge i will take: I will present a verse supporting each of my statements 1-10 at which point 11 would be your inevitable conclusion. Do you agree?


By the way in other news, let me ask you a question. Does the bible teach us to worship Jesus Christ? A simple yes or no will do.

Image123:
other TJ quotes,

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious and
unjust."
"Christianity is the most perverted system
that ever shone on man."

seems Olaa might actually be right about your regress.

This to show you how desperate these false prophets can be when they want to fight the truth. The don't mind going into the devil's workshop to get their working tool. Now, imagine the man frosbel used his quote to answer a simple question.
I don't even understand their problem- is it the word trinity(which I agree is not in the bible) or the meaning? For me I think we shouldn't bother ourselves much about this issue. God is the father. Jesus is the son of God. Then the Holy spirit is the spirit of God. And they work in unity as one. That's the little I know about the issue.