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Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by outcst: 8:49pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
loswhite: I'm not against science if u must know because it involves knowledge. U probably misunderstood me It's either everyone misunderstood you or your contributions so far screams one thing: OLODOISM!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by thehomer: 8:51pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Provie: Faith & Reason ar quite compatible. Faith proceeds from reason/logic. Here it goes: How is it impossible if the supreme being can do it? Is it possible for this supreme being to commit suicide or is that impossible? |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by bebechuks: 8:51pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
You should explain it for us. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Faith, in the sense of religious beliefs, cannot be compatible with reason. Infact, avoiding reason is one of the major doctrine of most faith. While does who approves reason has specific limitation on what issues u should apply reasoning to. Reason ask questions faith wouldn't give reasonable answers to. Faith is blind, faith is "jump without looking", while reason is "how am I sure it is safe". Please read the question well before making your comments. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by delejames(m): 9:08pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
ghananotnaija: With Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, who needs reason? All I need is Jesus.bros,u need reason..so u wont be a religion fanatic.. bebechuks: You should explain it for us. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by CollinsLeSkillzMadumere(m): 9:11pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
outc@st:Those instances were from the Bible. If they are rubbish to you then you really need to caution yourself. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 9:11pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: IsnpiredbyGod.lost soul |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:11pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
It is reason & not faith that lets us know that no religion or God is higher than truth. It is reason & not faith that lets us know that the world is round. It is reason & not faith that lets us know that the earth is not the center of the universe. It is reason & not faith that lets us know that the earth is older than 6,000 years old. It is reason & not faith that lets us know that the brain is where thoughts are born, & not the heart. It is reason & not faith that lets us know that all truth in the world is not found in any one book. It is reason & not faith that lets us know that no one person has a mandate on truth. It is reason & not faith that will quench the flames of hell & put it in the religious houses of worship. It is reason & not faith that will take heaven out of the sky and bring it down here on earth. Reason has been more beneficial to mankind than all the religions in the world combined. With reason a man uses his own brain to think for himself, with faith another man uses his brain to think for us all. Faith is believing in something that is nothing; an invisible idol being. When reason ends faith begins! When reason ends guessing begin! When reason ends praying begins! When reason ends bloodshed begins! LONG LIVE REASON! 2 Likes |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by FOLYKAZE(m): 9:12pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mzsolex: lost soul Dead alive soul |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by outcst: 9:13pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Collins Le Skillz Madumere: Read between the lines pappy! |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 9:20pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
*Kails*: and btw faith =/= religion |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 9:24pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
From a christian point of view, faith is not compatible with human reasoning. 1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by outcst: 9:28pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
davidylan: From a christian point of view, faith is not compatible with human reasoning. First, there is the need to understand what you mean by 'human reasoning' but despite this handicap let me ask you this: Do you think it is unreasonable to believe in God? Note that belief and faith are synonymous. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 9:40pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
outc@st: Its not that complex. human reasoning is based on integration of evidence that is within the intellectual capacity of humans. For example - human reasoning states that man cannot walk on water... well that is based on the physical FACT that we are much much denser than water. But in the realm of God, that is a distinct possibility because God's power transcends human comprehension. Belief in God is completely unreasonable WITHIN the confines of human intelligence. For example... it is biologically impossible to be in the belly of a fish for three days and survive. Faith in Christ is about believing that He transcends our puny ability to understand things beyond or comprehension. Faith means believe that what God said, He will do regardless of the circumstances around us that magnify our limitations. Gideon destroyed a huge army with 300 untrained men... it certainly had nothing to do with their military prowess. 4 Likes |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by PrettySpicey(f): 9:41pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Faith is to believe without seeing and even to believe without reason or evidence. Many events of our Christian Faith are still for the most part inexplicable and beyond the comprehension of the human mind - The Trinity; The creation of the world; Jesus' birth by the power of the Holy Spirit and thru a Virgin; His very crucifixion and death and even too that from Abraham rose two different religions. Religion comes from God and God is Mystery. Some He allows us to prove, other things He simply desires that we believe. Faith and reason, they don't always go hand in hand. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by CollinsLeSkillzMadumere(m): 9:49pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Reason deals with things that has to be seen and touched. Faith is the evidence of things not seen. It is human to reason. On the other hand, to have faith is to depend on divinity. What manner of reason will cause dry bones to live again?? So please don't come here talking about faith if you won't care to know the ways of God. If you must apply reason in ALL you do then you can't have faith and ultimately you can't please God. Faith and reason is not compatible. Faith is way above reason as the heavens is way above the earth. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by CollinsLeSkillzMadumere(m): 9:53pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mzsolex: lost soulNo, you are the lost soul. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by outcst: 10:11pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
davidylan: Okay, cool! At least we now know what you mean by 'Human reasoning'. But do note that there are a lot of things we believe as Christians or Children of God that are totally reasonable...for instance our belief that no man should be killed and a host of other beliefs are very reasonable. davidylan: Well I disagree with you here...belief in God is very reasonable...the evidence for God are overwhelming. The fact that we are here alone is evidence enough to show that there indeed is a God who created all. davidylan: Of course there are a number of things that are beyond the scope of reason but this does not mean that when everything is revealed it will still fall outside the sphere of reason...take for instance the belief that the Earth was flat...a scientist came to say that this was wrong but considering that he was unable to provide evidence to support his belief, this was considered unreasonable. But now it is so reasonable to say that the Earth is not flat. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 10:47pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
outc@st: I think we are conflating two things here. There is FAITH and there is BELIEF. Believing that killing is wrong is not the same thing as believing that Jesus is Lord. outc@st: Belief in God isnt humanly reasonable. It takes the Holy Spirit within you to be able to read the bible without laughing your head off. For example... outside the guidance of the Holy Ghost, it makes no sense to believe that someone crucified 2000 yrs ago is going to take away your sins by magic. Like i said earlier, believing in intelligent design doth not a faith make. outc@st: The rationale for this analogy escapes me. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by outcst: 11:03pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
davidylan: Belief in the lordship of Christ is not all that faith entails....there is more to it. Your OP suggests that everything that has to do with faith is at opposites with reason...this I do not agree to. davidylan: It does not take the holy spirit to accept that there is a creator of the Universe. Even non-Christians and a number of great scientists can attest to this. davidylan: davidylan: Not everything falls within the scope of reason at any given time; and everything that is true but seem unreasonable will become reasonable at the 'right time'. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by izzyeffizzy(f): 11:03pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
[color=#990000][/color]Why are u arguing abt sometin soo simple like this.whether u are a christain or muslim u can still have faith.reason is human,u weigh things before u do them.while faith is divine tht is u can do tins without thinking of if it will b favourable or not but u jst do it having faith in God that all will be well. we have a reason for having faith which is God but faith is like being blindm wit faith we sometyms act unreasonable.pls faith and reason are not compatible. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by plaetton: 11:10pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
davidylan:Davidylan, wow. For once I agree with you almost 100%. It's hard to believe that you are so candid to admit that belief in god is unreasonable from reasoning perspective. Thank you. Now it won't be too difficult for you to understand where atheists are coming from. 1 Like |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by howfarwhatagwan: 11:18pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see (New Living translation). One of the key words in this definition is hope. Now the question- is it everything we hope for that is reasonable? As far as you hope for it and have confidence it will actually happen, regardless of whether it is reasonable or not it means you are exercising faith. Now does it mean that as long as you have faith what you hope for will actually happen? Of course we all know the answer... |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by RealSleek(m): 11:20pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
omonuan: Clap for ur self....I know u have been waiting all ur life to get dis out...... although it has nothing to do with the topic of discussion ...finally ....are u ok now? |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by RealSleek(m): 11:28pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
plaetton: Omg...he totally dismiss the "within confines of human intelligence" part... |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by plaetton: 11:59pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
RealSleek:Within the confines of human intelligence? That's an oxymoron. Human intelligence as compared to...? |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 12:28am On Jun 09, 2013 |
plaetton: I perfectly understand where atheists are coming from which is why in one of my earlier responses i had made it clear that faith (at least in the christian perspective) is completely dependent on the mercy and guidance of the Holy Ghost... without the Holy Ghost it is near impossible to convince anyone of average intelligence that many of the bible stories make sense from a logical perspective. It is why John chapter 1 states that it takes the Holy Ghost to grant us the power to become sons of God, it is not something we simply pick off any shelf just because we "believe" that some intelligent design was responsible for the diversity on earth. 1 Like |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by paulabdeel(m): 12:53am On Jun 09, 2013 |
naijababe: I know the Nigerian type of faith is not compatible with reason.What is Nigerian faith? Do you.know that the DEEPER LIFE MOVEMENT started in America and it is strongest there? The Apostolic Faith is rooted in America. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 12:59am On Jun 09, 2013 |
RealSleek: It is related to the topic but you wont understand. You cannot reason without the law of contradiction as the bedrock. Yea...only faith will make people like you accept these contradictions when it suits your theory but deny it when it doesn't quite jive with your "faith." Are the citations true? You know that they are but for you they are inconvenient truths. At least you did not become abusive in order to obfuscate-you just did not like the exposé. Sam Harris: "Faith is the license religious people give themselves to keep believing when reasons fail." |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by paulabdeel(m): 1:09am On Jun 09, 2013 |
There should be a definition of terms. Reason depends on intellect and the senses. Whereas faith is rooted in belief and trust. The Apostle Paul was chosen because he had the cynical intelect of a lawyer. He accepted the Lord without recourse to his intellect. In days and months that followed, he must have subjected the doctrines to serious intellectual scrutiny. Read the epistle to the Romans a very good legal brief.It is what I Call a reasoned presentation of Christianity directed at the most sophisticated pepple of the time. And they were persuaded. |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by Nobody: 1:12am On Jun 09, 2013 |
paulabdeel: There should be a definition of terms. Reason depends on intellect and the senses. Whereas faith is rooted in belief and trust. The Apostle Paul was chosen because he had the cynical intelect of a lawyer. He accepted the Lord without recourse to his intellect. In days and months that followed, he must have subjected the doctrines to serious intellectual scrutiny. Read the epistle to the Romans a very good legal brief.It is what I Call a reasoned presentation of Christianity directed at the most sophisticated pepple of the time. And they were persuaded. Not really. On what basis was Peter selected then? On his skills for fishing? 1 Like |
Re: Is Faith Incompatible With Reason? by plaetton: 3:44am On Jun 09, 2013 |
paulabdeel: There should be a definition of terms. Reason depends on intellect and the senses. Whereas faith is rooted in belief and trust. The Apostle Paul was chosen because he had the cynical intelect of a lawyer. He accepted the Lord without recourse to his intellect. In days and months that followed, he must have subjected the doctrines to serious intellectual scrutiny. Read the epistle to the Romans a very good legal brief.It is what I Call a reasoned presentation of Christianity directed at the most sophisticated pepple of the time. And they were persuaded. Have you ever once considered that what happened to Paul on his way to damascus could have been a sudden onset of some kind of benign mental illness?b |
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