chuose: There is nothing in common with the bible & the quoran.

Nothing in common between God & Allah.

As Allah IS NOT THE NAME OF GOD!
God cannot not Lie While Allah is the Greatest Deceiver


Titus 1:2
which God, that cannot lie

Qur'an 3:54
and Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers

So you can see God & Allah are NOT the same.

Read more here

http://www.letusreason.org/islam6.htm

Well if Allah is not Almighty God, then why prior to the arrival of Islam, the Ishmaelites and Jews in Arabia use the name Allah to refer to Almighty God?

Care to explain why would Jews refer to 'a deceiver' as their Almighty God? lol

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submitter:
Rabbi Abraham Ibn Ezra the great Jewish sage identifies the well mentioned by Hagar in Genesis 16:14 with Zimum (or in other versions, Zimzum), "where the Arabs hold an annual festival. This is Zamzam near Mecca.

This Well located approximately 20m east of the Kaaba (from todays measurement) was the source of life for both Ishmael and Hagar before.
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There is also ancient Samaritan Jews book (Asatir) in 3rd century having the tradition that Ishmael and his son built Mecca several years after the death of Abraham.

Where in Genesis did you see Kabbah. Mr Man? In which language is Zinum the same as Zamzam? . Cha!

The quesrion is, was kabbah in place before mohammed era, the ansa is 'yes'.

Was there rivalry among the arabs concerning the supremacy of their idols over the other before mohammed era? Yes.


Were pple kissing and praying to a black stone in makka b4 moh'd era? Yes.


Are pple still doing the same now? Yes.


I leave a sound mind to decipher if Islam is an idol worship or not.

@soundpoint: i will advise you to do a thorough research of zamzam and compare it to all other water bodies in the bible. you will realize that Ishmael and his mother lived there as sonme christian and or jewish people have identified that the water is near to an ancient 'shrine'. they have even theorized that Hagar is from this 'northern' arabian place, and not from egypt which is why she was running there and the place she got a wife for Ishmael.

Beer-lahai-roi is the name they call the well and says that the person 'saw' God. i guess whoever that person is is honored far more than the one who the darkness did not allow him to see God, though he wrestled with Him [as a muslim i am not a believer of people seeing God as stated in the bible. but talking to christians, you have to use their bible as source, sometimes]. if the bible cant settle and be firm on anything, how are we sure of what it does not omit to promote what it does? you are save when you refer back to the guard over all scriptures; The Quran. it gives you the truth of what remains in the old books and correct the facts where they are not correct.


@true2god; The Kaaba is in place before Muhammad [sa]. was it in place as in rebuilding before Jacob [as]. The original builder was Adam [as] and the first rebuilder was Abraham [as]. The original builder on the site in Jarusalem was also Adam [as] and the one who rebuild on the site in Jerusalem was Solomon [as] of a building you call Solomon Temple, already in ruin some close to 2,000 years ago.


there is no question about rivalry over which idol is more important among idolaters, just they idolaters of today. ask the yoruba idolaters. each believes the idol he worship is more powerful than the one the other idolater is worshiping. but he does know that there is God Who is Unseen and Most Powerful thinking that his idol represents the Unseen Most Powerful God. so he prays to this idol so that it intercedes for him and carries his prayer to God. this two functions are part of how the christians hold Jesus; intercedes for and carries prayer of christians.


but muslims dont pray to the black stone and not every muslim who prays will kill the black stone. I am not in Makka and i prayed and my prayer is to the Almighty Who is Unseen and i may never kiss the black stone. the kissing is not essential and while prayer is essential everyday, no one looks at the black stone when praying as anything more than a part of the building and the building is a direction because the Unseen Almighty God directed us to face it, united in that purpose of instruction.


the pagans used to go naked and clapped and cat call in the precinct of Kaaba. none of these the muslims do. while pagans slaughter animals in their festivals, i hope christians slaughtering in christmas is not following the pagan tradition, since you think believer and non believer doing similar thing means the later is copying the earlier? we in islam do not imitate anyone, not even the christians who are near to us and to think we imitate the pagans who are much far from us is ignoring the truth that the pagans have corrupted the truth by acts of disbelief.


a sound mind will know that Islam is far from idol worshiping while we do not worship prophets [as] who clearly performed miracles but worshiping their God Who sent them and supported them with evidence of their prophetic office, we can definitely see that it is impossible for muslims to be called idol worshipers, in any remote understanding of the term.

@the clown; some lawyers in new york told ali sina to put up his 50k canadian dollars against 50k usd both with escrow company, that boy refused. he is angry with iran, yet like armenian turkey blood robert spencer, they can help looking at what each society claims, islam to jump upon.

the other jewish guy, daniel pipes of faithfreedom is a bullhorn for zionism. and you know how it is, quick to say that semite muslims are anti semitic. its all a game to get over and let what you are supporting gain traction in washington. money and number are good combination for muslims to have in this climate so that we can influence washington and london and the rest of the european block will fall in line.

RoyPCain: @the clown; some lawyers in new york told ali sina to put up his 50k canadian dollars against 50k usd both with escrow company, that boy refused. he is angry with iran, yet like armenian turkey blood robert spencer, they can help looking at what each society claims, islam to jump upon.

the other jewish guy, daniel pipes of faithfreedom is a bullhorn for zionism. and you know how it is, quick to say that semite muslims are anti semitic. its all a game to get over and let what you are supporting gain traction in washington. money and number are good combination for muslims to have in this climate so that we can influence washington and london and the rest of the european block will fall in line.

What has all this irrelevant talk have to do with some muslims worshipping the Kabbah?

soundpoint:

What has all this irrelevant talk have to do with some muslims worshipping the Kabbah?

Look at the pics

chuose: Look at the pics

soundpoint was referring to RoyPCain last post which has little to nothing to do with the thread at hand

alexis:

soundpoint was referring to RoyPCain last post which has little to nothing to do with the thread at hand

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chuose:

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No Shaking

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