Crimes that can land you in HELL :

1. Wearing earrings.
2. Wearing trousers.
3. Make-up application
4. Not going to church on Sunday
5. Missing bible study
6. Non-tithe payment
7. Not going on evangelism
8. Not praying for at least 1 hour a day
9. Exposing fraudulent MOG
10. Exposing false religion and their churches.
11. Touching God's anointed.
12. Belief in one GOD ( not Trinity )
13. Daring to reject eternal torture
14. Drinking a glass of wine
15. Refusing to comply with church rules and regulations even when they are contrary to the word of GOD
16. Questioning your pastor on doctrine
17. Not observing the Sabbath day ( Saturday )
18. Looking nice on your wedding day




Crimes that can land you in the LAKE OF FIRE :


1. Murder
2. Adultery and sexual immorality
3. Habitual lying and falsehoods
4. A pattern of rebellion and disobedience to parents.
5. Magical arts and occult
7. Hypocrisy
8. Unbelief
9. Idolatry
10. Blasphemy
11. A pattern of gossiping, slander, malice and envy

https://www.nairaland.com/767334/why-hell-integral-gospel#767334.10

https://www.nairaland.com/1358765/there-contradiction-between-god-love

Pygru:

Yep, you know what I am talking about.

Frosbel is this some kind of joke, which one be hell? which one be lake of fire? is there any difference between the two? kindly answer

Eneze1: Frosbel is this some kind of joke, which one be hell? which one be lake of fire? is there any difference between the two? kindly answer

Hell fire is the religious place of extreme torture where there is no hope , not now , not for all eternity while Lake of fire is a place of total destruction of the wicked , who time and time again chose death over life.

or

Hell fire is a figment in the imagination of the cruel religious people while the Lake of fire is a place God prepared for the devil and his angels to wipe them off this planet with all those who choose the path of perpetual sin and rebellion.

Does this help ?

frosbel:


Hell fire is the religious place of extreme torture where there is no hope , not now , not for all eternity while Lake of fire is a place of total destruction of the wicked , who time and time again chose death over life.

or

Hell fire is a figment in the imagination of the cruel religious people while the Lake of fire is a place God prepared for the devil and his angels to wipe them off this planet with all those who choose the path of perpetual sin and rebellion.

Does this help ?

which of this ur definition is the right one and as for those sins u listed above guess u are joking sha

See confusion.. Thank God I'm atheist...

How I wish hell is a real place instead of figment of some religious psychopath's imaginations. I really want to see my heroes like Albert Einstein, Tai Solarin, Steve Jobs, Christopher Hitchens, Fela Anikulapo Kuti, and many many more.

.

musKeeto: See confusion.. Thank God I'm atheist...

Word. It myst be a hard life being a christian

Recently I came across a kind of sin that not too many people know about and which those who emphasize outward religiosity know virtually nothing about. It is called mental attitude sin. Frosbel alluded to this when he mentioned envy and malice but in addition to that we have pride, lust, greed (which is idolatary), etc.

Pro 6:16 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:

Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

Pro 6:19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

We see an example of mental attitude sins in the above scriptures and take note of the bolded. Jesus alluded to this also in the gospel when while responding to the hypocrisy of the pharisees he said that it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out of him; for out of a man comes... and he reeled those mental attitude sins out (I would appreciate it if someone can get that scripture for me, I cannot find it here).

My point is this: what Frosbel has listed in the OP are obvious and overt sins, but what God is concerned about is not even those sins but what is producing them: the sin nature. When the gospel is preached and believed, and a man is saved, the whole process of changing his nature from a sinful one to a holy one has just started. Religion will reel out a list of do and donts, so as to make the new believer conform to his new nature. What God does is that he changes the new believer through the preached word and experiences, so that his holy conduct comes from within and not as a result of conforming to church rules.

The challenge with mental attitude sin is that both religious and unbelieving people can be guilty of it. It is a mental state of man that is sinful. chief among this sins is pride. Not just pride of possession or beuty or such like; but pride of one's holiness; pride of one's success; etc. The next one is lust. And that would include lust for women, riches and the good things of life. Then there is anger. This is even beyond the expressed anger but the anger that results in malice, unforgiveness and morbid hatred.

All of these sins are embedded in the mind. And the people who are most guilty of them are the religious folks. You discern it even here on NL, when after they have lost arguments, these people resort to curses.

If God is to help us all see our heart and the way it really is, we would realize that we deserve nothing but the wrath of God: hell and the lake of fire. But thanks be to God through Jesus Christ whose righteousness and blood is the access we have and must continue to depend on, to come to God's presence. When that foundation is sure in our mentality, we would now relax and enjoy the liberty of God's Spirit changing us from glory to glory as we behold his word: starting first with our mental attitude and then making us into the real Christlike nature God wants for us.

musKeeto: See confusion.. Thank God I'm atheist...

Considering you are an atheist, which god are you thanking then?

DrummaBoy: Recently I came across a kind of sin that not too many people know about and which those who emphasize outward religiosity know virtually nothing about. It is called mental attitude sin. Frosbel alluded to this when he mentioned envy and malice but in addition to that we have pride, lust, greed (which is idolatary), etc.




We see an example of mental attitude sins in the above scriptures and take note of the bolded. Jesus alluded to this also in the gospel when while responding to the hypocrisy of the pharisees he said that it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out of him; for out of a man comes... and he reeled those mental attitude sins out (I would appreciate it if someone can get that scripture for me, I cannot find it here).

My point is this: what Frosbel has listed in the OP are obvious and overt sins, but what God is concerned about is not even those sins but what is producing them: the sin nature. When the gospel is preached and believed, and a man is saved, the whole process of changing his nature from a sinful one to a holy one has just started. Religion will reel out a list of do and donts, so as to make the new believer conform to his new nature. What God does is that he changes the new believer through the preached word and experiences, so that his holy conduct comes from within and not as a result of conforming to church rules.

The challenge with mental attitude sin is that both religious and unbelieving people can be guilty of it. It is a mental state of man that is sinful. chief among this sins is pride. Not just pride of possession or beuty or such like; but pride of one's holiness; pride of one's success; etc. The next one is lust. And that would include lust for women, riches and the good things of life. Then there is anger. This is even beyond the expressed anger but the anger that results in malice, unforgiveness and morbid hatred.

All of these sins are embedded in the mind. And the people who are most guilty of them are the religious folks. You discern it even here on NL, when after they have lost arguments, these people resort to curses.

If God is to help us all see our heart and the way it really is, we would realize that we deserve nothing but the wrath of God: hell and the lake of fire. But thanks be to God through Jesus Christ whose righteousness and blood is the access we have and must continue to depend on, to come to God's presence. When that foundation is sure in our mentality, we would now relax and enjoy the liberty of God's Spirit changing us from glory to glory as we behold his word: starting first with our mental attitude and then making us into the real Christlike nature God wants for us.

Thanks Bro, You could not have said it any better.

Just to add , the post was a mixture of sarcasm and truth, hope you understand - thanks.

o boy fire go full b dat o......God help us all to serve him truthfully,amen

frosbel:



Thanks Bro, You could not have said it any better.

Just to add , the post was a mixture of sarcasm and truth, hope you understand - thanks.

I do understand. I responded to the truth part.

cyrexx: .

This is the main reason why i dont come to this section, Too many Atheist, they can change your believe and make your faith little... SMH

Pastor Kun:

Considering you are an atheist, which god are you thanking then?

Pick any.

sexymoma: This is the main reason why i dont come to this section, Too many Atheist, they can change your believe and make your faith little... SMH

if you actually know what it is you believe in and why, then you'd not be swayed. But if all you know is what you've been indoctrinated to believe from childhood then you need to come here more often and get some sense knocked into your brain.
Have you critically examined whatever it is you believe in?

FYI

musKeeto: See confusion.. Thank God I'm atheist...

lol. Who is confused oga? Is it us who understand or you who do not?

manmustwac: Word. It myst be a hard life being a christian

smh. Come over and see if its hard or not, and quit consoling yourself

DrummaBoy: Recently I came across a kind of sin that not too many people know about and which those who emphasize outward religiosity know virtually nothing about. It is called mental attitude sin. Frosbel alluded to this when he mentioned envy and malice but in addition to that we have pride, lust, greed (which is idolatary), etc.




We see an example of mental attitude sins in the above scriptures and take note of the bolded. Jesus alluded to this also in the gospel when while responding to the hypocrisy of the pharisees he said that it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out of him; for out of a man comes... and he reeled those mental attitude sins out (I would appreciate it if someone can get that scripture for me, I cannot find it here).

My point is this: what Frosbel has listed in the OP are obvious and overt sins, but what God is concerned about is not even those sins but what is producing them: the sin nature. When the gospel is preached and believed, and a man is saved, the whole process of changing his nature from a sinful one to a holy one has just started. Religion will reel out a list of do and donts, so as to make the new believer conform to his new nature. What God does is that he changes the new believer through the preached word and experiences, so that his holy conduct comes from within and not as a result of conforming to church rules.

The challenge with mental attitude sin is that both religious and unbelieving people can be guilty of it. It is a mental state of man that is sinful. chief among this sins is pride. Not just pride of possession or beuty or such like; but pride of one's holiness; pride of one's success; etc. The next one is lust. And that would include lust for women, riches and the good things of life. Then there is anger. This is even beyond the expressed anger but the anger that results in malice, unforgiveness and morbid hatred.

All of these sins are embedded in the mind. And the people who are most guilty of them are the religious folks. You discern it even here on NL, when after they have lost arguments, these people resort to curses.

If God is to help us all see our heart and the way it really is, we would realize that we deserve nothing but the wrath of God: hell and the lake of fire. But thanks be to God through Jesus Christ whose righteousness and blood is the access we have and must continue to depend on, to come to God's presence. When that foundation is sure in our mentality, we would now relax and enjoy the liberty of God's Spirit changing us from glory to glory as we behold his word: starting first with our mental attitude and then making us into the real Christlike nature God wants for us.

thank God for you brother.

Hello everyone, below is a life changing message. Very inspiring and reviving. Delivered by our beloved brother frosbel in the year 2011. God bless you as you read. Amen.

frosbel: For some, the horror of the Christian doctrine of hell—that it is a place of eternal, conscious torment where God's enemies are punished—has led them not just to avert their eyes and minds, but to deny it entirely. "Surely," they say, "hell is a fictional construct used to oppress people with fear; a God of love would never allow such a place to really exist." There's an emotional power to this argument, to be sure. No one, certainly no Christian, likes the idea of hell.

At the same time, this doctrine isn't just drapery on the side of the Christian worldview, something with no relevance to the structure of the faith itself. Nor is the doctrine of hell an embarrassing, unnecessary, primitive wart that we believe just because we're told we have to.

On the contrary, the doctrine and reality of hell actually throws the glory of the gospel into sharp relief for us. It helps us to understand just how great God really is, how sinfully wretched we really are, and how unutterably amazing it is that he would show us grace at all. Moreover, the reality of hell—if we don't push it out of our minds—will focus us, above all, on the task of proclaiming the gospel to those who are in danger of spending eternity there.

With that in mind, here are five biblical statements about hell which, taken as a whole, demonstrate why hell is integral to the gospel.

WHY HELL is INTEGRAL to THE GOSPEL

1. Scripture teaches that there is a real place called hell. I won't belabor this point. Others have made this case with crystal clarity. Suffice it to say that medieval bishops didn't invent the doctrine of hell as a way to scare the serfs; they got it from the apostles. And the apostles didn't invent it to scare the pagans; they got it from Jesus, At the most basic level, therefore, if we claim to be Christians and to believe that the Bible is the word of God, we have to recognize that the Bible teaches the reality of hell. But there's more.

2. Hell shows us how heinous our sin really is. Have you ever heard someone make the argument that no human sin could possibly deserve eternal torment in hell? It's an interesting argument, one that reveals a lot about the human heart. Why is it that when people think about hell, they always conclude that God must be at fault and not themselves? You can see how the doctrine reveals our hearts: when we consider our own sin, our first inclination is always to minimize it, to protest that it's not that bad and that God is wrong to say it deserves punishment.

The reality of hell stands as a massive refutation of that self-justification. Non-Christians will always see the horrors of hell as an indictment of God, but as Christians who know God to be perfectly just and righteous, we must understand that the horrors of hell are actually an indictment of us. We may want to minimize our sin, or excuse it, or try to argue our consciences down. But the fact that God has declared that we deserve eternal torment for those sins should remind us that they are not small at all. They are enormously evil.

3. Hell shows us how immovably and unimpeachably just God really is. People have been tempted throughout history to think of God as a corrupt judge, one who sets aside the demands of justice simply because he likes the defendant. "We are all God's children," the argument goes. "How could God hand down such a horrible sentence on some of his children?" The answer to that question is simple: God is not a corrupt judge. He is an absolutely just and righteous one.

Over and over the Bible makes this point. When God reveals himself to Moses, he declares himself to be compassionate and loving, but he also says, "Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished." The Psalms declare that "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne." What an amazing statement! If God is to continue being God, he cannot simply set justice aside and sweep sin under the rug. He must deal with it—decisively and with exacting justice. When God finally judges, not one sin will receive more punishment than it deserves,

The Bible tells us that on that day, when God sentences his enemies to hell, the whole universe will recognize and acknowledge that what he has decided is unimpeachably just and right. Isaiah 5 makes this point with bracing clarity: "Therefore Sheol has enlarged its appetite and opens its mouth without measure." It's a grotesque image, the grave widening its mouth to swallow the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And yet by this means, Isaiah declares, "The Lord of Hosts is exalted in justice, and the Holy God shows himself holy in righteousness." Similarly, Romans 9:22 tells us that by the torments of hell, God will "show his wrath and make his power known," so that he might "make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy."

We may not understand it fully now, but one day hell itself will declare God's glory. It will—even in its horror—testify together with the psalmist, "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne."

4. Hell shows us how horrific the cross really was, and how great God's grace really is. Romans 3 tells us that God put forth Jesus as a sacrifice of atonement "to demonstrate his justice." He did this "because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished."

Why did Jesus have to die on the cross? It was because that was the only way God could righteously not send every one of us to hell. Jesus had to take what was due to us, and that means he had to endure the equivalent of hell as he hung on the cross. That doesn't mean that Jesus actually went to hell. But it does mean that the nails and the thorns were only the beginning of Jesus' suffering. The true height of his suffering came when God poured out his wrath on Jesus. When the darkness fell, that wasn't just God covering the suffering of his Son, as some have said. That was the darkness of the curse, of God's wrath. It was the darkness of hell, and in that moment Jesus was enduring its full fury—the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.

When you understand the cross in that light, you begin to understand better just how magnificent God's grace to you is, if you are a Christian. The mission of redemption that Jesus undertook involved a commitment to endure God's wrath in your place, to take the hell that you deserve. What an amazing display of love and mercy that is! Yet you will only see and understand this display of love clearly when you understand, accept, and shudder at the horror of hell.

5. Hell focuses our minds on the task of proclaiming the gospel. If hell is real, and if people are truly in danger of spending eternity there, then there is no more urgent and important task than doing precisely what Jesus told his apostles to do before he ascended to heaven—proclaim to the world the good news that forgiveness of sins is offered through Jesus Christ!

I think John Piper got it exactly right in a Gospel Coalition interview: "It's very hard to give up on the gospel if you believe there is hell, that after this life, there is an endless suffering for those who did not believe in the gospel." There are all kinds of good things that Christians can do—and in fact should do! But if hell is real, it is worth keeping in mind—no, it is imperative that we keep in mind—that the one thing that Christians can do that no one else in the world is ever going to do is to tell people how they can be forgiven of their sin, how they can avoid spending an eternity in hell.

CONCLUSION

There is no doubt that the doctrine of hell is horrible. The doctrine is horrible because the reality is horrible. But that's not a reason to avert our eyes and ignore it, much less to reject it. There are those who think that, by rejecting or at least ignoring the doctrine in their preaching, they are making God more glorious and more loving. Far from it! What they are really doing is unwittingly stealing glory from the Savior Jesus Christ, as if what he saved us from was… well, not so bad after all. In fact, the horrific nature of what we have been saved from only intensifies the glory of what we have been saved to. Not only so, but as we see ever more clearly the horror of hell, we look with ever more love, ever more gratitude, and ever greater worship to the One who endured that hell for us and saved us.


http://www.9marks.org/ejournal/why-hell-integral-gospel

alexleo: Hello everyone, below is a life changing message. Very inspiring and reviving. Delivered by our beloved brother frosbel in the year 2011. God bless you as you read. Amen.

Does dat mean Frosbel has switched beliefs?

true2god: Does dat mean Frosbel has switched beliefs?

He presented this in 2011. Not 2013. Now anybody who reads that teaching with a sincere heart will feel the touch of the Holy Spirit. Very inspiring. After reading it last night I had a wonderful prayer time before I slept. Every power of the devil that is fighting against frosbel to push him out of his God-given mission be destroyed in Jesus name. Amen and Amen.

true2god: Does dat mean Frosbel has switched beliefs?

He is not a stiff necked Christian or those who have been purposed to remain deluded.

alexleo:

He presented this in 2011. Not 2013. Now anybody who reads that teaching with a sincere heart will feel the touch of the Holy Spirit. Very inspiring. After reading it last night I had a wonderful prayer time before I slept. Every power of the devil that is fighting against frosbel to push him out of his God-given mission be destroyed in Jesus name. Amen and Amen.

What touched you is fear and wanting to love God out of fear the of being dumped in the lake of fire . Why not try making Him your friend just because he loved you first, unconditionally. You will see that you will have nothing to fear because you have a friend that loves you more than you love yourself.

Then come back and try to know the true nature of hell or destruction by the lake of fire for the sake knowing it.

Boomark:

What touched you is fear and wanting to love God out of fear the of being dumped in the lake of fire . Why not try making Him your friend just because he loved you first, unconditionally. You will see that you will have nothing to fear because you have a friend that loves you more than you love yourself.

Then come back and try to know the true nature of hell or destruction by the lake of fire for the sake knowing it.

thanks Bro.

It's like me telling my kids to love me or I will banish them from my presense with no financial or moral support, is that Love.

I wonder what Jesus meant when he said :

"For if you love them which love you, what reward have you? do not even the publicans the same? And if you salute your brothers only, what do you more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." - Matthew 5:46-48

Is God really perfect to love his enemies and then to burn them forever and ever ? How can scripture contradict itself.

Let our brothers use wisdom and ask God for more of it.