kormene: Nice discussion here, just got a direct TKB crv 02 with a mileage of 80k from4m a dealer @1.55k and something tells me it was doctord.

Honestly i didn't care about d mileage which goes to confirm d gist. I was excited in getting my 1st car and was thrilled by d fact that it looked good and was in SUV class.
How dum of me, I think it has to do with our orientation.

The Odometer form thing should b enforced in Nigeria else we will become a dumping ground where we don't get value for our money.

Plz how do i get d exact mileage? Jhlrd78862c043986

Do I change all fluids (ATF, break, gear etc) before use

kormene: Nice discussion here, just got a direct TKB crv 02 with a mileage of 80k from4m a dealer @1.55k and something tells me it was doctord.

Honestly i didn't care about d mileage which goes to confirm d gist. I was excited in getting my 1st car and was thrilled by d fact that it looked good and was in SUV class.
How dum of me, I think it has to do with our orientation.

The Odometer form thing should b enforced in Nigeria else we will become a dumping ground where we don't get value for our money.

Plz how do i get d exact mileage? Jhlrd78862c043986

Do I change all fluids (ATF, break, gear etc) before use

calculusx:

A Clear Case of odometer rollback. Truth be told,if the dealer didnt reverse the mileage,im sure you wont buy the ride. We are in a society where an average Nigerian don't believe in the Truth. So in this Case,who should be blamed?

calculusx:

[size=18pt]To the best of my knowledge, mileage is just a number and the reason is simply because a low mileage Car, if not properly maintained and serviced regularly will not perform better when compared to a high mileage Car that is properly and regularly maintained.
I have bought and Sold high mileage Cars in the past and I can tell you majority of the high mileage Cars perform better that you may doubt the authenticity of the high miles when compared to how neat some of them are. There is a Popular Car Auction in US that high mileage Cars are sold at higher prices. I have no problem with high mileage Cars so far they are not rolled back so as to know which part to rotate, grease or change at a certain miles. My Opinion[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/1118629/automobile-maintenance-menu

BizBooks:

In this case, I think the buyer shares a greater portion of the blame. He said he suspected
the odometer was "doctored" and still went ahead and bought the car. So a car that he
thought had only 84,000 miles actually has 187,000 according to the VIN report. If you look
closely, you will notice that the odometer was rolled back to what it used to be in 2006 and
we are in 2013.

As you correctly noted, if the car had shown it's true mileage, the poster may not have
bought it. Unfortunately some people do not want to know the truth and are thus presented
with falsehood.

calculusx:

[size=18pt]To the best of my knowledge, mileage is just a number and the reason is simply because a low mileage Car, if not properly maintained and serviced regularly will not perform better when compared to a high mileage Car that is properly and regularly maintained.
I have bought and Sold high mileage Cars in the past and I can tell you majority of the high mileage Cars perform better that you may doubt the authenticity of the high miles when compared to how neat some of them are. There is a Popular Car Auction in US that high mileage Cars are sold at higher prices. I have no problem with high mileage Cars so far they are not rolled back so as to know which part to rotate, grease or change at a certain miles. My Opinion[/size]

https://www.nairaland.com/1118629/automobile-maintenance-menu

kormene: I want to ask, does the mileage really mater as the driving condition and maintenance abroad keeps d car fit as if it were new.

elektra80:

Lets say a buyer goes to Mr A (a car dealer) to buy the same crv and Mr A being honest has 2 of the same SUV he wants, one with odometer reading of 187,000 and another one with odometer reading of 85,000, both cars are clean titles. (Note that both cars are 11 years old). Mr A says the price of the higher mileage car is 1.45 million and the one with 85k mileage is 1.6 million. The buyer leaves the shop and tries another dealer. He goes to Mr B another car dealer and Mr B doesn't have the kind of car he needs. Mr B being a businessman would not tell the buyer he doesn't have the car, he will tell him he should sit down while he goes to bring the car from his other showroom. Then Mr B calls Mr A (most dealers know themselves ) and Mr A says he has the car but the buyer wouldn't want to pay more for the low mileage and doesn't want the high mileage either.

SO Mr B goes to Mr A, picks the car with 187,000 mileage and rolls back the odometer to 82,000. Then brings it to his showroom and shows the buyer. After much negotiation they agree on a price of 1.55 million. The buyer pays and drives away. Mr B pays mr A 1.5 million and takes 50k as his commission. Now who are u going to blame in this situation?

If u ask an average Nigerian 'what is the price of a 1999 toyota camry (Pencil light)'. He will say 900k. Most buyers don't even know the difference between LE, XLE, SE, LX, EX, EX-L. To them all trims are the same. I see a lot of 1999 camry in showrooms with mileage less than 90k. I mean 90k for a 14 year old car, that is almost impossible. Might be possible but would be rare and it will never sell for 900k. But then that is what buyers want and as a businessman u have to give them what they want, hence rollback odometer.

The car dealership in this country is messed up and right now only the dishonest dealers are making money while the honest ones are not making any sales. Nobody wants to be in a business where he doesn't make sales.. let's face the fact. A honest dealer spends lots of money to bring a clean title car with low mileage into the country and puts a reasonable price on it, and other dishonest ones have the same car that are not clean title and odometer rolled back and sells it for a cheaper price. How many buyers have access to the internet? I can tell u that 80% of buyers out there doesn't know anything about carfax, they just want to buy a car and drive, and they go for the cheapest deals. SO I will not blame the dealers. Until the country enforces laws dealing with odometer rollbacks and give enough awareness to end buyers.. I'm pretty sure that is not gonna happen anytime soon. The government have more important things to tackle first. Then this issue will continue for a long long time.

My advice is after buying ur ride, check all parts and replace the ones that needs to be replaced with genuine parts, service ur car regularly and whenever a fault arises, fix it before it affects other things. IF U CAN'T DO THAT, THE BEST ALTERNATIVE IS TO BUY A BRAND NEW CAR

kormene:

You deserve a bottle

earthrealm: even mtn/glo have a fair usage policy on their data bundle...so how wud cars be exmpt?
I would be happy buying an 05 model car with 100k miles...than the one with 230k miles........in the same vein..i would also be suspicious of an 05 model car with 25k miles.........I would be happier/more comfortable buying the one with 80k than 25k........unless I know the original owner personally...and hva ccess to the maintenance/service records.......not just vinrecords

elektra80:

Lets say a buyer goes to Mr A (a car dealer) to buy the same crv and Mr A being honest has 2 of the same SUV he wants, one with odometer reading of 187,000 and another one with odometer reading of 85,000, both cars are clean titles. (Note that both cars are 11 years old). Mr A says the price of the higher mileage car is 1.45 million and the one with 85k mileage is 1.6 million. The buyer leaves the shop and tries another dealer. He goes to Mr B another car dealer and Mr B doesn't have the kind of car he needs. Mr B being a businessman would not tell the buyer he doesn't have the car, he will tell him he should sit down while he goes to bring the car from his other showroom. Then Mr B calls Mr A (most dealers know themselves ) and Mr A says he has the car but the buyer wouldn't want to pay more for the low mileage and doesn't want the high mileage either.

SO Mr B goes to Mr A, picks the car with 187,000 mileage and rolls back the odometer to 82,000. Then brings it to his showroom and shows the buyer. After much negotiation they agree on a price of 1.55 million. The buyer pays and drives away. Mr B pays mr A 1.5 million and takes 50k as his commission. Now who are u going to blame in this situation?

If u ask an average Nigerian 'what is the price of a 1999 toyota camry (Pencil light)'. He will say 900k. Most buyers don't even know the difference between LE, XLE, SE, LX, EX, EX-L. To them all trims are the same. I see a lot of 1999 camry in showrooms with mileage less than 90k. I mean 90k for a 14 year old car, that is almost impossible. Might be possible but would be rare and it will never sell for 900k. But then that is what buyers want and as a businessman u have to give them what they want, hence rollback odometer.

The car dealership in this country is messed up and right now only the dishonest dealers are making money while the honest ones are not making any sales. Nobody wants to be in a business where he doesn't make sales.. let's face the fact. A honest dealer spends lots of money to bring a clean title car with low mileage into the country and puts a reasonable price on it, and other dishonest ones have the same car that are not clean title and odometer rolled back and sells it for a cheaper price. How many buyers have access to the internet? I can tell u that 80% of buyers out there doesn't know anything about carfax, they just want to buy a car and drive, and they go for the cheapest deals. SO I will not blame the dealers. Until the country enforces laws dealing with odometer rollbacks and give enough awareness to end buyers.. I'm pretty sure that is not gonna happen anytime soon. The government have more important things to tackle first. Then this issue will continue for a long long time.

My advice is after buying ur ride, check all parts and replace the ones that needs to be replaced with genuine parts, service ur car regularly and whenever a fault arises, fix it before it affects other things. IF U CAN'T DO THAT, THE BEST ALTERNATIVE IS TO BUY A BRAND NEW CAR

monex: Hello Guys,

good and educative responese.
I have a question: is a Toyota Camry 2008 v6 XLE @ true mileage of 180,000 a good buy @ N2.7m?

dealer reported mileage as 85,000 but a VIN check reported as about 180,000

monex: Hello Guys,

good and educative responese.
I have a question: is a Toyota Camry 2008 v6 XLE @ true mileage of 180,000 a good buy @ N2.7m?

dealer reported mileage as 85,000 but a VIN check reported as about 180,000

calculusx:

One quick question and pls give the whole house a sincere and honest answer. In as much as I do not support odometer roll-back,would you have purchase the Car with original mileage of 180,000 even if he is selling it for N2.5m? Pls be sincere with your answer.

calculusx:

One quick question and pls give the whole house a sincere and honest answer. In as much as I do not support odometer roll-back,would you have purchase the Car with original mileage of 180,000 even if he is selling it for N2.5m? Pls be sincere with your answer.

Fhemmmy:

I think the real question would be . . .
Clearing for the car would have been 400K Naira;
Transporting to the Port, cost of money sending, Courier of BOL to Lagos and Shipping itself would have been another 320K Naira and another 10K Naira to take the ride from the Port to anywhere you want within Lagos,
and that means only 1.97M Naira (12,085$$) was actually spent on buying the ride and for the dealer to make some profit too. . .
That is the average cost of buying the ride itself without his profit . . .
So is it a good buy based on the VIN report . . . well maintained and a 1-Owner ride?
I leave that to the house to judge

Cyberknight:

Funny, but I've got someone who wants to get this particular car, and we've done a bit of research on prices in the US, and we're getting a rough average of about $12,500 - 13k, so I think your figures may be off. I think a landing price in Naija all things included may be closer to 2.2m. Of course, these are rough figures, 2nd hand prices vary widely and are not fixed.

calculusx:

One quick question and pls give the whole house a sincere and honest answer. In as much as I do not support odometer roll-back,would you have purchase the Car with original mileage of 180,000 even if he is selling it for N2.5m? Pls be sincere with your answer.