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Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by coogar: 6:14pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
shymexx: fortunately, he does.....he's the most positionally-disciplined player in chelsea. he doesn't score because he rarely leaves his position to shield his centre-halves. nigerians say all he does is sideways/backward passing but that's his primary role: to keep possession. as a manager, i will rather have a backward pass than a forward pass that is intercepted!
mikel does better than that - if he's an englishman, he would be hyped to the high heavens. he is criminally underrated by premier league fans but he does what makelele did back in the days. break the attack, play a short pass and keep the possession within his teammates. makelele never attempted a pass more than 10 yards, he never dribbled past anyone. he scored a total of 2 goals in 5 seasons for chelsea and he's a legend. how is makelele different from mikel? you gotta admit the way we watch football or analyse players have changed. mikel is a very good player but trust the british media to heap criticism on him whenever chelsea lose a game....it's easier to find a scapegoat in mikel than their golden boy, frank lampard!!! 9 Likes |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by justsayemma(m): 6:17pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
To me he is just over celebrated,because sentiment has blinded us in dis country.a player that came 2nd after Messi in 2005,now its impossible 2 compare them,he was in a top flight club b4 Yaya,Tiote,n Song,now can we compare them? Whch club has bid 4 him after Chelsea made d mistake? Even Babayaro,Olofijana n co,scored, won matches,n man of matches for their clubs,has Mikel ever don dat? I think his peak was 2005.I knw som certain people from a certain part of Nigeria will attack me,m ready wit facts. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by vislabraye(m): 6:18pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Talking about Makelele's role in Chelsea: the reason RM's president said so about him was due to racial difference. RM is a racist club. Ask yourself, how many black players have played in RM so far. 1st it was Seerdorf. Seerdorf was on fire in RM, but he was relegated to the background. Next is Samuel Eto who wasn't given enough play time becaused of the Spanish players. And the last was Makelele. Its a trend. Mikel has not played the best of football in Chelsea. I believe he could have been far better than where he is. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by striker9(m): 6:21pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
justsayemma: To me he is just over celebrated,because sentiment has blinded us in dis country.a player that came 2nd after Messi in 2005,now its impossible 2 compare them,he was in a top flight club b4 Yaya,Tiote,n Song,now can we compare them? Whch club has bid 4 him after Chelsea made d mistake? Even Babayaro,Olofijana n co,scored, won matches,n man of matches for their clubs,has Mikel ever don dat? I think his peak was 2005.I knw som certain people from a certain part of Nigeria will attack me,m ready wit facts.he came second after messi bla bla bla!we heard enough of that abeg.Yes, Mikel can be compared with Song judging by there current forms. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Odunharry(m): 6:22pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
shymexx:lol |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by dayokanu(m): 6:28pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
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Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by bfire(m): 6:30pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
I know that Makelele played to the best of his knowledge and comparing his skills to Mikel is a disservice to Mikel; he's far more intelligent and skilful. The tempo of play in Mikel time is far more faster compared to Mikelele's. Nevertheless, Mikel footballing skills can fit into any team. His present alignment is about his future endeavours. Mikel age (26yrs) is fast diminishing - at 34yrs footballers value is always at the lowest. This is the best time for him to get better disposable income so that his savings for the latter rain will be justified after his retirement. Presently, he pays too much taxes on what he takes home in England. In Turkey, he pays close to nothing from his weekly pay. It appears to me that this guy is very smart and knows what he's doing. It's not about big club; it's about his finances |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by mariong(m): 6:31pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Ikenna94: @shymexx shut up, without people like ortega in midfield do tink maradona's goals and runs would ve counted? Besides mikel is beta dan makaleleBlasphemy to football! Are you sure you watched Makelele? I doubt if you did. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by justsayemma(m): 6:34pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
striker9: he came second after messi bla bla bla!we heard enough of that abeg.Yes, Mikel can be compared with Song judging by there current forms. Kip deceiving urslf,Barca bot Song 4 20million, which club is currently bidding 4 Mikel,n @ wat price? |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Nobody: 6:38pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
coogar: Being positionally-disciplined doesn't make a player great - it's about knowing what your job is on the football field, and doing it well. That being said; can you say Mikel has the tactical awareness that a great defensive midfielder ought to have? How many times has he been found wanting because of his inability to read the game? Makelele had all that and more. His style was breaking up the opponent's play and making short passes to keep possession. If you remember Stefan Effenberg of Bayern Munich, short passes was his game as well. I believe that's just a way to make up for the inability to go past players. However, what separate these two from Mikel - are their leadership qualities, ability to impose themselves on the game, awareness, and comfortability on the ball. Mikel is always shaky on the football in Chelsea's colours. Being an Englishman has nothing to do with display of talent on the football field. Makelele didn't get his just due till he got to England. Jay jay Okocha was celebrated by everyone when he played for Bolton. Heck, he was on the best 11 EPL team, week in week out. Essien isn't English but he's celebrated by everyone. Odewinge isn't English, but West Brom fans love him to bits. I was still living in Birmingham when West Brom signed Odewinge and I know how much they all adore him. England is the home of football - and English fans love football. You and I know that fat-boy Frank Lampard is the 2nd most hated guy in England after (C)ashley Cole. However, his goal scoring prowess is the reason why people can't just kick him to the curb. Yes, tons of English players are overrated but English people adore great talents. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Odunharry(m): 6:39pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Claude Makelele, possibly the best defensive midfielder of his generation. Makelele was so good that he has a football term based on his name The Makelele role. Makelele role in the team was very simple he was there to beak up attacks and to hold the shape of the team. He was a very simple but efficient defensive midfielder who had a world class positional sense. Oya o,makelele haters.. This is what Jose has to say about the role makelele had at Chelsea. “‘Look, if I have a triangle in midfield – Claude Makelele behind and two others just in front – I will always have an advantage against a pure 4-4-2 where the central midfielders are side by side. That’s because I will always have an extra man. It starts with Makelele, who is between the lines. If nobody comes to him he can see the whole pitch and has time. If he gets closed down it means one of the two other central midfielders is open. If they are closed down and the other team’s wingers come inside to help, it means there is space now for us on the flank, either for our own wingers or for our full-backs. There is nothing a pure 4-4-2 can do to stop things’. And wat makelele has 2 sayrole and the impact it had on the team “in every team you need to know what your role is and one of the keys to my role is to keep the balance of the team right. So when Didier [Drogba] goes here, I do this. When Frank [Lampard] goes there, I go there. Same with Michaael [Ballack]. When one person moves out of position, then someone else comes in and covers for them” “When you play in my position you have to enjoy it. You can’t be thinking I don’t get any goals’. You just enjoy it, you enjoy playing football, tackling, giving the ball. Just enjoy it. When you are small you have to tackle at the right moment. He might be tall, he might be strong but if you tackle at the right moment you’ll win it. It’s about timing.” I the modern game defensive players don’t get a lot of credit for the jobs that they do. Sergio busquests for Barcelona is the most modern version of makelele that we have but the difference between the two that Sergio busquest is a better passer of the ball. Sergio busquest and Michael carrick will never get the praise that they deserve because their roles in their teams aren’t fancy and they don’t add any wow factor so most people don’t recognise the effect that they are having in the game 1 Like |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by EmmyDe25(m): 6:42pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Afam4eva:... As that made Arsenal the richest club in England or Europe? What make clubs are the number of trophies won, not the amount of pounds realise from players sales. The likes of AC Milan, Bayern, Madrid, Barca, Chelsea and Man United are testament to this. 1 Like |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by striker9(m): 6:47pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
justsayemma:we aren't talking about the price,but your contribution towards the club and national football.Now do the ratings your self,compare Mikel and Song this past season,alongside there national assignment. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by justsayemma(m): 6:49pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Its an insult 2 compare Mikel n Makelele,Makalele marks far better than Mikel,Mikel is slow n lack confidence.Ramirescan play his wing far better.not that he is not good,I think he is old,but ve a young look. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by klickstar: 6:54pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Honestly after watching mikels performance @ afcon and confed am convinved that Nigeria midfield still has a brighter hope he was a dynamic player despite losing the match against spain i single handedly honourned him with man of the match he render the likes of xavi,iniesta,busquet useless in the game.mikel please leave for Gods sake else mourinho will change you to fulltime defender you still have a long way to go you are not yet a pensioner. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by coogar: 6:56pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
shymexx: he does......however, he's often played alongside loose cannons like lampard and sometimes ramirez. these 2 players are the most indisciplined players on the planet when it comes to holding their positions but they often score - so fans quickly forget their atrocities and heap the blame on the water-carrier, mikel!
i will refer you back to what florentino perez(real madrid president) said when he sold makelele to chelsea. We will not miss Makélelé. His technique is average, he lacks the speed and skill to take the ball past opponents, and ninety percent of his distribution either goes backwards or sideways. He wasn't a header of the ball and he rarely passed the ball more than three metres. Younger players will arrive who will cause Makélelé to be forgotten.
good examples you listed up there but which of these players is a dedicated defensive midfielder? none. okocha is an attacking midfielder, he scores goals. odemwingie is a striker, he scores goals. essien is a box to box midfielder, he scores goals. mikel is a water-carrier, he cannot score goals from that position so he's easier to criticise. the equivalent of mikel in the other clubs are carrick(man utd), lucas(liverpool) busquets(barcelona). when fit, no manager leaves these players on the bench. they provide the balance needed to a team. only mikel gets underrated but guardiola/del bosque never joked with busquets.........he's one of the few spanish players that completed all the minutes in the last world cup.....
now you get my point..... lampard can screw-up 30 passes in a game and win man of the match. all he needs to do is score a penalty and all is forgiven. we are often bribed deceived by this - forgiving a player's general poor play just because he scored! 3 Likes |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by ablyguy(m): 7:02pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
However Mikel plays he still a good player to me. My fear right now is that Moses is about to be Mourinhonized too... |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by chucky234(m): 7:13pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Ikenna94: @shymexx shut up, without people like ortega in midfield do tink maradona's goals and runs would ve counted? Besides mikel is beta dan makaleleArial Ortega contributed nothing to Maradona success,get your fact right before yapping. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Fitzy4real(m): 7:14pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Thank you @OP. U've said it all. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Nobody: 7:19pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
coogar: However, Makelele played alongside Lampard and worse loose cannons and average players like: Geremi (at the twilight of his career), Geremi, Alexei Smertin, Tiago, Jarosik, and Nuno Morais. So evidently, Mikel has no excuse whatsoever, if he's to be compared to the legend of Claude Makelele. Perez was just talking out of his ar.se because he had a great Los Galacticos team - with arguably the best talents in world football at that time. And he was looking for a way to get David Beckham into that team. Makelele ended up being the sacrifice - I guess it had more to do with his skin than his talent. Didn't Perez also sack Del Bosque afterwards? This alone should tell you all you need to know. Alright, I'll cite defensive midfielders. Emmanuel Petit? Didier Deschamps? Patrick Veira? Yay Toure? Are these guys English players? Mikel doesn't possess the passing range of Carrick and Michael Carrick is arguably the most critiqued player in England. Lucas is just as rubbish as Michael but he's more comfortable than Mikel on the ball. However, you can never compare Busquets to Mikel - Busquets is a box to box player and, technically and tactically superior to Mikel. Regardless, this has nothing to do with Lampard and that won't take his name away from the 2nd most hated player in England. You know I support Chelsea and I've been a fan since 1998, right? |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by bankyblue(m): 7:21pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
In summary, u will never no what u ve till u lose it 3 Likes |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Fitzy4real(m): 7:30pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
justsayemma: To me he is just over celebrated,because sentiment has blinded us in dis country.a player that came 2nd after Messi in 2005,now its impossible 2 compare them,he was in a top flight club b4 Yaya,Tiote,n Song,now can we compare them? Whch club has bid 4 him after Chelsea made d mistake? Even Babayaro,Olofijana n co,scored, won matches,n man of matches for their clubs,has Mikel ever don dat? I think his peak was 2005.I knw som certain people from a certain part of Nigeria will attack me,m ready wit facts. Since u decided 2 call names, let me call some names as well; Taye Taiwo came 3rd but I don't hear u critisizing him (Isaac Promise, Owoeri, Ogbuke etc were all among d top rated players @ d@ tournament. There are also other Nigerians d@ have done well in under-age tournaments (Chrisantus, Lukman Haruna, Stanley Okoro, Sani Emmanuel etc). They were all among the top players in deir time but where r they now ![]() A Madrid Fan |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Fitzy4real(m): 7:35pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
ablyguy: However Mikel plays he still a good player to me. My fear right now is that Moses is about to be Mourinhonized too... If Moses gets Mourinhonized, it'll be a good thing. Afterall, Ronaldo, Di Maria, Ozil etc. all became better players after getting Mourinhonized... |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Fitzy4real(m): 7:39pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
klickstar: Honestly after watching mikels performance @ afcon and confed am convinved that Nigeria midfield still has a brighter hope he was a dynamic player despite losing the match against spain i single handedly honourned him with man of the match he render the likes of xavi,iniesta,busquet useless in the game.mikel please leave for Gods sake else mourinho will change you to fulltime defender you still have a long way to go you are not yet a pensioner. So u'd rada hav Mikel play as an attacking midfieler fo Galatasaray, Celtic or Southampton than as a defensive midfielder for Chelsea ![]() ![]() |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by dabrake(m): 7:46pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Ikenna94: @shymexx shut up, without people like ortega in midfield do tink maradona's goals and runs would ve counted? Besides mikel is beta dan makaleleJESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by royale442(m): 7:47pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
CFCfan:why are u now making noise? Ok, man utd have won it 20 times...oh, less i 4get that should be 4(chelshit) * 5=20(man utd) |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by coogar: 8:04pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
shymexx: lampard was years younger then, he was strong, durable and would quickly chase back if he loses possession. it's not the case anymore as old age has set in.
i am not saying florentino perez was right to have sold makelele but everything he said up there was the truth about makelele in those years. he only won the ball and then passed it 3 yards to a teammate(job done)
toure? chased out of barcelona by 19 year-old busquets? this is where you should appreciate subtle defensive midfielders like mikel. football has evolved. no more bonebreakers like keane, vieira, petit, etc....
busquets is not box to box - he's never ahead of the ball when the game is in play. he sits between his two centre-halves to become the 3rd defender when alves/alba maraud forward. in my opinion, he's the best defensive midfielder in europe for the past 3 or 4 years.
nobody hates lampard - even if we assume some fans can't stand him, he's got friends in the media that literally fellate on him everytime. when villas-boas decided to drop lampard, we all saw the meltdown in the media. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by royale442(m): 8:06pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
vislabraye: Talking about Makelele's role in Chelsea: the reason RM's president said so about him was due to racial difference. RM is a racist club. Ask yourself, how many black players have played in RM so far.RM is not a racist club. |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by striker9(m): 8:34pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
Fitzy4real:thank you for this post of yours,what an insight.Most people's beef with Mikel is purely on rival club,smh........ |
Re: An Interesting Analysis Of Mikel & Makelele by Nobody: 8:42pm On Jul 23, 2013 |
coogar: Lampard got better with age and every Chelsea fan would tell you that. Lampard used to give the ball away carelessly when he was younger and the only tool he had in his armoury back then, was scoring deflected goals. How can everything he said be the truth when the senior players in that Los Galaticos team, Del Bosque and almost all the pundits disgreed with him? The crux of the matter is that he wanted David Beckham so bad and there was no way he would have been able to afford to buy David Beckham and give Makelele a pay rise. One had to give way for the other - and Makelele ended up being the sacrifice. I disagree. Toure wasn't chased out of Barcelona. It had more to do with his demand for a pay rise and disagreements with Pep Guardiola. Busquets being a Spanish player also played a role in that. It had nothing to do with talent and his achievements on the football field. If that were to be the case - then Samuel Eto must have been sold for the same reason. However, we all know that wasn't the case. Well, Mikel also did break a few bones when he was younger. He was either getting yellow carded or red carded. He evolved as he grew older just as the likes of Petit and Veira did. Busquets is box to box despite his lack of speed and pace because he's always part of the play on both sides of the field. The defense starts with him - and he's always also part of the attack. Anyway, about him being the best defensive midfielder in europe for the past 3 or 4 years - both Arturo Vidal and Yaya Toure would have something to say about that. Nobody hates Lampard, yet he gets booed all the time by the fans even when he's playing for England? The same Frank Lampard that nobody likes, apart from the MOTD crew and a few other pundits? Benitez did drop him a few times and nothing happened. Honestly, I've no problem with Mikel, however as a Chelsea fan - I think it's high time Mikel left Chelsea. We've given him enough chances to prove himself and exert his authority but he has been a failure. I'd prefer a young Ake, or a David Luiz in that position everyday of the week to Mikel. And I used to be one of his biggest fans after watching him play live for Nigeria against Ghana. Heck, I used to defend him all the time back in my uni days during football arguments. Back then, I believed he needed more time to grow into the Chelsea team. However, right now, the time has elapsed - time to move on, Mikel. Galasataray would be a good fit - he can play behind Sneijder and improve his passing range and skill set by learning from the great one. |
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