If you know something then it exists and if you don't then it doesn't? Where the hell did you get that from? So, if you don't know the answer to 1 + 1 then the answer does not exist? Wonderful theory.

I may know the answer to 1 + 1 and still tell you it is 3 may be because I am living in denial. I have seen charms work so it exist. However, I do not believe in them as I seen them more or evil powers than good powers, simple.

If you are so sure of this why not go challenge those who use them and come back here to tell us stories that is if you are alive to do so.

If you noticed, those in the opposing camp aren't arguing the veracity of the story (like you, we weren't there). We are talking about the possibility of paranormal phenomena to occur. Let's keep to honesty and not twist things.

"science cannot always cohere all the time with logic", what comes closer? Your illogical and unproven word? If you "don't need math equations", to prove a point logically, aren't you subscribing to hocus pocus?

SEFAGO:

. . .wait do you think you are talking to a normal nairalander with no knowledge of mathematics : . . .

This is from Carl Jung, the famous psychologist- "Science is the art of creating suitable illusions which the fool belives or argues against, but the  wise man enjoys their beauty and ingenuity without being blind to the fact they are human veils and curtains concealing the abysmal darkness of the unknowable."

LOCATION:  OKIJA

TIME:   12:00 AM TONIGHT/ no african time. The gods do not like it.

ATTIRE: WHITE LOIN CLOTH

SEFAGO:

Ahh, do I always have to spell things for people?

I wouldn't bother with you because you will likely not be able to understand what I am trying to say except you have some knowledge of epistemological arguments. 1+1 is a childs argument- I wouldn't present that if I were you, I wouldnt even address it. But followup- You have seen charms work, but I havn't- Do they exist for me? No they dont in my own perspective- to be perceived is to exist  . I have only heard of charms, and never seen them in action.

Also, i have logically considered the possibility of charms because, although I have not seen them want to consider their possibility- but why is it that these charms are never for good- and why are Africans- the most underdeveloped people, the only ones who still believe in superstitions? Why is it that despite all the rich charms- I haven't met a phenomenally rich nigerian? Why is it that these charms prevent nigerians from being on forbes rich list? And why do charms go for anonymity especially when people like (cough cough) Beaf- are trying to justify them with physics?


I just showed you guys a big loophole in your argument especially if you are using science. Assume charms are some advanced form of science- why is it that they always lead to misery, death and harm e.t.c by all accords (films/ idiots who belive in them)? Why is it that the Kwara boy could use it to beat Nuzo, but not use it to at least help Nigerians, win the wrestling  olympics instead of bullying young boys? Why is it that these advanced forms of science decided to make a home for themselves in the most wretched and poorest/underdeveloped section of the world?  Why is it that Afam with all the Juju he has seen, is still designing software instead of using the Juju to design it for him while he is sitting down- shebi the juju can fly and turn into animals- what is so hard about doing stuff? Questions after questions tell me that something is wrong with paranormal activity.

Then I saw someone here talk about Skull and Bones, then I just had to conclude how inane, the bunch of you are. Do you bloody know what skull and bones is? Calling it a society similar to juju societies is just plain stupid- like seriously what are you guys smoking? Skull and Bones is a society for the upper-class of america- nothing paranormal about it- just people making connections which would help them in their business and political function. Of course it has to be secret, to make it mysterious (so that idiots like the poster, would be fascinated with them- just like the opus dei- who are perfectly normal but were sensationalized by Dan Brown) and 2) Because a lot of the Skull and Bones come from elite families who make a lot of money on exploiting americans of course they have to be secret.

Afam did not win anything except the prize for Nairaland Donkey of the year, he is just displaying outright stupidity and making an effort to disregard logic for madness. His use of spurious logic and sophist responses defy any level of interaction.

As for those who effortlessly resort to insults when they are incapable of supporting their points let them continue if it makes them hide their inadequacies, fear, ignorance and stupidity

I don't subscribe to juju because I believe it is evil

The mind is a terrible thing to waste. Self imprisonment is even worse. Rigid mindsets that may simply expose how stupid and narrow minded one is should give way to logic, facts, respect for opposing views and common sense.

SEFAGO:


Contradiction- insulting me, while complaining about insults. Conceded I started it first, but I feel, after looking at your statements that I am justified

I do agree I was harsh, but I brought up some points, I wanted you to address. My insults are slightly justified because I see a lot of wrong information here, and people need correction lol-

But I really don't think I would like to go into the philosophy of knowledge and what it means to believe in something because, I dont think you studied any philosophy. And I am sparing u all the pointless talk (yep, you see I criticize myself too).

Someone mentioned skulls and bones, but if the person did a 20 seconds Wikipedia search, to make sure he is at least partially correct,  he would not have provided misinformation, to piss me off. i like people who present facts and not fallacy. you have presented subjective data (you saw juju), I cannot say you are wrong, but I cannot say you are right either. I could say I saw Obama yesterday- it is impossible for you to prove me as a liar except Obama was identified to be in a different location at the supposed time I was meeting him.

Dont worry, I am not married yet, I am just about leaving my teens, lol,  - but if I have kids they wuld probably be like me Brash, but brilliant
But why is it intrinsically evil?

yadadaida. You are basically taking a rigid stance "that juju exist", that is in my opinion unvindicated while closing your own mind to the fact that "juju does not exist". narrow-mindedness is a two-way street mate.

The problem is that your arguments are based on you have witnessed it. Your experience is subjective and different from other. Anyone online could claim they have seen Juju. Now prove to me logically that it is possible?

Impossible to prove, but shouldn't be discarded you say- right - then that is a cop out, and in my own opinion Juju doesn't exist- i am perfectly justified. Reasonable proof for it is absent, reasonable proof against it (the questions i listed out to you) is present- and you still expect me to just believe?

Afam:

You simply don't get it and that is why people easily get frustrated in arguments or debates - they think they should be convinced while others insist on convincing.

Obviously, your thought process is still at its infancy otherwise you would have realized that I have never bothered to convince you nor anyone for that matter.

Every single adult with a head on his/her should should be able to process information and make up his/her mind based on facts, logic and common sense.

So, I am not in the least interested in convincing you.

I only stated my opinion on the issue of juju which remains that it not only works for those that use them because I have seen people use it but is evil in my own opinion since all the incidents I have witnessed all boiled down to violence instead of good things.

Free your mind and learn to say "I don't know" when you are not sure of something. Only fools can categorically state as a matter of fact what they are not sure of.

May be in a few more years you will mature to the extent where you can live with what you do not expressly agree with. For now, continue raining down insults to people who disagree with you until it messes you up one day[b] or you lose your life over it.[/b]

Beaf:

^
cock sucking must be a thankless job sha. Nobody is returning the sucks and licks.

Trust me, you should try it sometimes. It's really underated.

I only stated my opinion on the issue of juju which remains that it not only works for those that use them because I have seen people use it but is evil in my own opinion since all the incidents I have witnessed all boiled down to violence instead of good things.

May be in a few more years you will mature to the extent where you can live with what you do not expressly agree with

SEFAGO:

^ lol, it did. First he doesn't care that we get convinced, but he is still on this thread stating "his personal opinion is that juju exist" His claim is unsubstantiated and he wants me to draw facts from old wives tales that juju exist- therefore, i should believe everything I hear right?

This keeps going on every topic I engage in on Nairaland. People present unsubstantiated arguments- bloody fool you when you present reasonable objections- because they don't even have any reason for holding such beliefs- they just want to argue with name calling and avoiding loopholes in their arguments.

How can I believe in Juju when so much evidence points to the contrary?

If it is not Afam's job to convince anyone then Afam should fem his mouth (it is likely he cannot go one on one to prove his point and is chickening out of the debate). Beaf if you are ready to consider arguments- as well as answer my questions on juju, and why is it that only a select few have seen {cough cough} Afam and why is it only diaboloical in nature and most importantly why is it that Africans are the only ones preoccupied with this bullshit, then we could go for a gentlemanly argument. Or if anyone here is willing to do so, But if you are ready to justify your statements- then dont state them and expect them to go unchallenged.

When will Africans start contributing something intellectual and stop using (for those who are yoruba) "mo gbo (I heard) arguments"?

I'm still wondering where on this thread have I made myself a proponent of juju? This is why I keep accusing you of dishonesty. I have said that paranormal things occur and it is possible to transmute one substance to another, something that has been both caused and observed in labs over and over.

Paranormal challenges
Main article: List of prizes for evidence of the paranormal

In 1922, Scientific American offered two US $2,500 offers: (1) for the first authentic spirit photograph made under test conditions, and (2) for the first psychic to produce a "visible psychic manifestation." Harry Houdini was a member of the investigating committee. The first medium to be tested was George Valiantine, who claimed that in his presence spirits would speak through a trumpet that floated around a darkened room. For the test, Valiantine was placed in a room, the lights were extinguished, but unbeknownst to him his chair had been rigged to light a signal in an adjoining room if he ever left his seat. Because the light signals were tripped during his performance, Valiantine did not collect the award.[27] The last to be examined by Scientific American was Mina Crandon in 1924.

Since then, many individuals and groups have offered similar monetary awards for proof of the paranormal in an observed setting. These prizes have a combined value of over $2.4 million dollars.[28]

The James Randi Educational Foundation offers a prize of a million dollars to a person who can prove that they have supernatural or paranormal abilities under appropriate test conditions. No famous psychic has gone through with taking the challenge.

9jaganja:

What is wrong with the so called posters on this forum? Idiot Lagosians? It didn't happen in Lagos Idiot it happened in Port Harcourt. What da fuk? Idiot Lagosians? That's all you got? Bacon made biatch!!!!

SEFAGO:

yeah yeah. Inteersting how you changed your ass position when you found out you cannot present compelling ideas. So now everything that has been  going on or like pages is your personal opinion? Then what makes your personal opinion better than mine? Because it is yours?

If you are sure of what you are saying then there is no need to lie. Liars are criminals and I say shame on your and the people that brought you up. You are a disgrace.

SEFAGO, to a Bewildered AFAM:


You claim to be independent minded- you are not the first who has said so on nairaland- but aren't mad people independent minded  . .

SEFAGO:

yeah I am, I am a disgrace  . Lol, the people who brought me up didnt do anything to you.

You claim to be independent mided- you are not the first who has said so on nairaland- but aren't mad people independent minded  . The majority dont get what they are doing lol. In addition, you keep following the Nairaland tradition of avoiding logical arguments for roforofo fight.

But seriously, you claim to have seen juju, and that you are scared of it. But you are one of the few who have seen this "paranormal activity". In fact you are the first person I have met, who has confidently seen juju-

Well, we're waiting from you to finish up ministering to Beyonce's booty so you can finish off the sentence.

I don't believe in insults but when insulted I believe it is only fair to respond in kind because no one has the right to insult others when losing an argument.

SEFAGO:

You are one funny guy. You said you are not hear to argue or convince me, then a couple of post later, you say something different. And who told you I was losing the argument- u cleverly avoided my questions about "paranormal" ( I cannot say that word withour cracking up ) activity, and then proceeded to insult me 100%. Notice 20% of my post were insults, 80% questions that need to be answered before, i even argue about paranormal activity.

We haven't reached the argument yet mate. You can only argue when something cannot be discarded without reasonable doubt. I have found nothing to believe iin the existence of Juju except it is in your head

imagine a dog shamelessly claiming to have made a post with 20% being insults and yet expects his stupid questions to be answered. You don't address people the way you address your father and expect them not to react.

SEFAGO:

lol, senior, anyways chop this:

Paranormal challenges
Main article: List of prizes for evidence of the paranormal

In 1922, Scientific American offered two US $2,500 offers: (1) for the first authentic spirit photograph made under test conditions, and (2) for the first psychic to produce a "visible psychic manifestation." Harry Houdini was a member of the investigating committee. The first medium to be tested was George Valiantine, who claimed that in his presence spirits would speak through a trumpet that floated around a darkened room. For the test, Valiantine was placed in a room, the lights were extinguished, but unbeknownst to him his chair had been rigged to light a signal in an adjoining room if he ever left his seat. Because the light signals were tripped during his performance, Valiantine did not collect the award.[27] The last to be examined by Scientific American was Mina Crandon in 1924.

Since then, many individuals and groups have offered similar monetary awards for proof of the paranormal in an observed setting. These prizes have a combined value of over $2.4 million dollars.[28]

The James Randi Educational Foundation offers a prize of a million dollars to a person who can prove that they have supernatural or paranormal abilities under appropriate test conditions. No famous psychic has gone through with taking the challenge.

Hunger is knacking Nigerians- this our time to prove ourselves. With all the witches dey don catch, at least one go fly for show now.

Beaf:

Dishonest people and liars sha.

They first strive to be whiter than oyinbo people (and fail woefully to superior arguments). . .
Then they change the topic title. . .
Then they tell bare faced lies. . .
Then they attempt pidgeonholing people with arguments that were never made. . .
Then they bring in stories that have no bearing on the issues at hand. . .

[size=14pt]Why do Nigerians grown ups lie?
Is this not the same sort of thing we witness from the ruling classes?

Is this not Nigeria's true problem?[/size]

The shock and horror of it all. . .
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