kabe1:
Congolese navy ship

dragon2:


What are we comparing? Weapon load or ability to survive independently in blue water? Any ship will be weary of aradu and valour in their primewith 8 antiship. A unit of 6 to 12 aircraft will be wary of both. But 3 to 4 hunter subs in a war scenario will go for the Valour but not aradu in the open ocean. Blue sea escort means you can expect to meet multiple subs from point a to b. At an average of 2 torps per sub that's 2 kills for Valour but up to 4 to 5 for aradu when adding depth charges. Subs would avoid aradu if possible. ALSO, your Valor ships only carry 8 antiship for now AFAIK.
Edit.
Be honest will you enter an enemy ocean swarming with subs with only 4 torps?
Full destroyers will need about 12 to 24.

jteku:
I wouldn't classify this pics as off topic since it has to do with security in Nigeria...
Here are some iconic pics from the #EndSars protest

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chkil1:


are you serious ? , you think a 80's fregate have better chance to survive to a sub attack than a modern fregate because it have one more torpedo launcher on each side what about sonars ? range ? torpedos tech and range ? Countermeasures decoy launchers ? ect... you think that detecting and killing submarines is that easy ?

but for classification ,yes , each navy can have its own classification , algeria have some missile patrollers (less than 600 tons ) classified as corvette

SerikinGamo:


Well you shouldn't have, jln115 will only turn you away from the initial question and this will degenerate into a d*ck measuring contest

dragon2:


What are we comparing? Weapon load or ability to survive independently in blue water? Any ship will be weary of aradu and valour in their primewith 8 antiship. A unit of 6 to 12 aircraft will be wary of both. But 3 to 4 hunter subs in a war scenario will go for the Valour but not aradu in the open ocean. Blue sea escort means you can expect to meet multiple subs from point a to b. At an average of 2 torps per sub that's 2 kills for Valour but up to 4 to 5 for aradu when adding depth charges. Subs would avoid aradu if possible. ALSO, your Valor ships only carry 8 antiship for now AFAIK.
Edit.
Be honest will you enter an enemy ocean swarming with subs with only 4 torps?
Full destroyers will need about 12 to 24.

dragon2:
Also,we are not talking about how modern a system or how well armed in certain areas but how close to a destroyer it functions and survives. Based on your dated? references are you suggesting old destroyers are no longer destroyers?

chkil1:


are you serious ? , you think a 80's fregate have better chance to survive to a sub attack than a modern fregate because it have one more torpedo launcher on each side what about sonars ? range ? torpedos tech and range ? Countermeasures decoy launchers ? ect... you think that detecting and killing submarines is that easy ?

but for classification ,yes , each navy can have its own classification , algeria have some missile patrollers (less than 600 tons ) classified as corvette

jln115:
firstly I said Meko200 not Valour class.... Read and comprehend .... Secondly the Meko 200 has much better sensors for ASW than the Meko360 since its a much more modern ship, FYI depth charges are pretty much obsolete today hence no modern ship uses them any more. And just because a ship has 4 tubes doesn't mean it only carries 4 torpedos.....thats probably the most ignorant thing you have said today

jteku:
I wouldn't classify this pics as off topic since it has to do with security in Nigeria...
Here are some iconic pics from the #EndSars protest

jteku:


I believe same way some of us find this Congolese navy boat funny is the same way the world powers see our military in general.

dragon2:


1.The Valour class is the designations of South African Meko 200.
2. Sensors suit does not determine ship designation as frigate or destroyer.
3. Age does not determine ship designation as destroyer or not, the Ticonderoga class cruiser is older than aradu,the Arleigh Burke class of guided missile destroyers of the U.S. is about the same age.
A destroyer is determined by its ability to take on all aerial,subsurface and surface threats independently. The A200 is lacking in the subsurface ability, it has never been called by anyone as a destroyer. Aradu in it's day ways very capable of independent blue sea warfare against all threats and was hence labelled a mini destroyer.
Modified.
If you still don't understand,read about frigates and destroyers.

jln115:

1. And? I was Speaking about the Meko200 in general not the Valour class
2. Did I say it does?
3. Did I say it does?
4. Even if we take into account the age difference the Meko200 is more heavily armed than the Meko360, even when it comes to ASW, the Meko200 is just as effective as what the Meko360 was back in the day.

P.S ASW helicopters are part of the Meko200s system

LTGEN:

It is off-Topic
You knew
But you posted it.
And no reform
End SARS has nothing to do with this thread
It is called African Military.
Demonstrations take place in
Algeria, Ghana, Liberia, S’Africa.
You wanted to spark a political conversation you got it SMDH.

LTGEN:

The Congolese Ship is actually a symbol of what ails Africa.
If Congo were governed right She would be sailing Submarines.
This is a Country that is the basket of Copper to the World and other Rare metals.
It is sad not funny.

dragon2:


The helicopter is not an integral part of the ship,no helicopter I know of is purposely built for a ship,neither is a ship classified by its helicopter onboard.
2. The A200 is not as capable at independent subsurface warfare as aradu was in its prime period. Just mention how the A200 is without talking about modernity or age. If you are talking about helicopters on board then you are wrong.

3. When ever we talked about ships you kept referencing sensors and modernity as if it was that determines a ships class.
4 Valour class is just a variant of A200 suited to South Africa. Some A200 are set up for ASW some for AsuW some Aerial defence. All A200 I know have only slight configuration differences.

jln115:

1. Ignorance....."South Africa has ordered four Super Lynx 300 Mk 64 helicopters from AgustaWestland to operate from the SA Navy's Meko A200SAN class frigattes." these helicopters were specifically built with sonar, torpedo and ASMs to operate from ships and form an integral part of the ships systems.

2. Explain to me how the Meko200 is not as independent wrt to ASW than Aradu... Emphasis on" How"

3. I never once said sensors or modernity has anything to do with ship classification.... Obviously you have no idea what would classify a ship as a destroyer...

4. Point being?

dragon2:


Was th super lynx designed for the A200?
Are you aware that the same super lynx is also used by the Meko360? That the A200 uses a super lynx doesn't change its class because other ships can used the same helicopter with integration to it's system.

Not only does Aradu have more torpedoes it has more than enough depth charges to either destroy or ward off submarines far from home port,something the A200 cannot do without sacrificing on other abilities.
The ship cannot fight far from home against a hostile submarine fleet for long. To the level Aradu could .

3. Yes you did.......
compare:

Meko200 vs Meko360
SAM: 32 vs 24
ASM: 8-16 vs 8
Torpedoes: 4 vs 6
ASW Helicopters: 1 vs 1(Aradu 0)
Depth Charges:0 vs 1...........almost all modern day frigates(and destroyers) don't carry depth charges anymore they have been replaced by homing torpedoes

Not to mention Aradu's sensors are by todays standard obsolete.....

jln115:
Yes the Super Lynx bought by SA was built specifically for the valour class frigate and When did I say a helicopter changes the class of a ship?

Depth charges are obsolete hence modern ships don't use them anymore, secondly you have 0 proof that the Meko360 carries more torpedoes, the number of tubes has nothing to do with the amount of torpedoes a ship carries, Arleigh Burke-class destroyer(a genuine destroyer) you mentioned early only has 2 torpedo tubes and 0 depth charges....... That's your argument totally done and dusted

Literally the point im making is the Meko360 and Meko200 are the same class of ship.....

jteku:
I wouldn't classify this pics as off topic since it has to do with security in Nigeria...
Here are some iconic pics from the #EndSars protest

jteku:


Same point am trying to make also, if we were governed right we would be flying typhoons and rafales and not Alpha's, but the boat is funny though

joshjc:
In my opinion the protest has been hijacked by hoodlums and clout chasing celebrities

dragon2:


Exactly,so don't talk about a ships ability( which determines its class) with helicopters as a determinant.
Don't add helicopters.
Again, you talk about being obsolete? When the Aradu was classified as a Destroyer based on its ability was it not based on what it could do at the time? Does its classification change with age or obsolescence.
It is easy to know if a ship has storage based on its tonnage. The meko200 and 360 are the same tonnage(about) the Burke is much more even if it has 6 tubes. Also,the ship, A200 has never been rated at having more than 4 torps.
Edit
Again,destroyers are know by their full spectrum warfare. The anti-sub capability of he A200 is what stops it from being a mini destroyer. Both ships are however, not true destroyers.