MAN1960:


I know your problem with this report, it's because south Africa has the lowest budget among the top 5.

Tell me do you think South Africa in the past three years spends more than Nigeria in defense budget? If you say yes to this question then you will have to explain how Nigeria buy weapons every year and South Africa don't and you still have to explain how many brigades are in the south Africa army and the total number of military personnel's in but Nations so that we can understand you better

MAN1960:


I know your problem with this report, it's because south Africa has the lowest budget among the top 5.

Tell me do you think South Africa in the past three years spends more than Nigeria in defense budget? If you say yes to this question then you will have to explain how Nigeria buy weapons every year and South Africa don't and you still have to explain how many brigades are in the south Africa army and the total number of military personnel's in but Nations so that we can understand you better

Omofaye99:

Now answer the question. Does South Africa spend more than Nigeria in the past 4 years?

kabe1:
Between 1980 and 1999, the Nigerian Air Force lost 43 pilots to air crashes.”

10 years of ECOMOG operations in Liberia and Sierra Leone really took its toll on NAF.

jl115:
more:

jl115:
really dude?

kabe1:


What sort of delusions are these for Christ's sake?

kabe1:


You are high or what?

lionel4power:


Many of us have been in this thread long enough, and I thought some of us are actually learning something.

How many times have we been enlightened here that being modular doesn't automatically mean it can easily be outfitted with anti-ship missile in time for conflict?

The navy can't just wake up on morning and decide to outfit missiles on an unarmed OPV, the OPV in question will have to be fitted with the specific fire control system which in turn will be tied to an overall combat management system. which in turn will be connected to sensors, radars, sonars and then the weapons system for it to work.

All this must be done with the OEM consent and requires expertise assistance beyond regular shipbuilding. In naval ships, modularity does not equate plug and play. This has been said here many times than I count. When they say something is modular, it means it can adapt to different scenarios and can change it's mission set over time, it does not necessarily mean that it's easy to do or quick.

Secondly, to outfit a ship with anti-ship missiles even though modular would require sophisticated equipment which I doubt Nigeria possesses. Even if Nigeria has such, outfitting a ship would take at least six to eight months.

Just upgrading a ships hardware and software takes north of eight months. Most take at least a year. Judging from the USN annual deployment routine.

Dearsan OPV modular yes! fitted for but no missile acquired or paid for. One question, where would the navy get the missiles to fit the OPV from? Will they conjure them from thin air?

Now lastly, Even if a vessel is modular, you'll need to train the crew, technicians, and senior officers to outfit, man, and fire the missiles in time of war.

lionel4power:

This requires specific training on missile firing process, guidance systems, and general warfare on the said vessel. Now it begs the question. Is Dearsan training Nigerians on how to man and FIRE missiles from the OPV?

The answer is likely NO.

lionel4power:

In summary, to refit a modular vessel to fire missiles in time of crises will take upward of a year because you must first buy the missiles (with all the International bureaucracy involved), train the crew to man and fire the missile (at least 6 months) and the actual outfitting process. (at least 8 months)

By that time you'll have been thoroughly beaten by your opponent. A ship in maintenance or not in the fight at the start of war is as good as irrelevant. Ask the Ukrainian navy for their lesson notes.

Even the NN doesn't envision an aggressive role for the OPV as the naval admiral was clearly quoted “ The Admiral also emphasized the importance of these vessels to carry out maritime interdiction operations, surveillance and special forces operations as well as provide naval fire support to land forces, saying:

The OPVs will also be capable of conducting search and rescue operations, anti-piracy, anti-smuggling and anti-drug trafficking operations and disaster relief operations among others.”

Nowhere did he mention anti-ship or surface warfare operations.

Some time ago, some one mentioned that our Chinese OPVs has enough deck space for a VLS missile system between the bridge and the main 72 mm gun. I remember that person was schooled thoroughly here.


Tomorrow someone will say our Nigerian made seaward defence boats are modular therefore, they're light destroyers.

jl115:
yes it does every year

Omofaye99:


You have said nothing different from what he said, but just jingling around with words that I'd contradictory.

Now answer this question which is straight as a rain stick.

Can this OPV be armed with anti ship missiles, Yes or No?



How does this stops it from been armed
Are you working with Dearsan to know if they will or will not train Naija navies when the need arrives?


I guess you missed this statement from same article


Based on a modular design, the OPV 76 will be deployed for
offshore patrol duties in peacetime, but it will retain the
capability and flexibility to be quickly outfitted with sensors
and weapons to be tasked for warfare and maritime
defence purposes, at a cost effective price.


In your quest to decredit what he said you end saying nothing and typing out of point with rebuttal to his initial claim. Rubbish

lionel4power:


Re read what I posted, this time slowly they may be you'll pick up one or two things.

lionel4power:


Re read what I posted, this time slowly then may be you'll pick up one or two things.

Also... This is very very very broad!
... but it will retain the capability and flexibility to be quickly outfitted with sensors and weapons to be tasked for warfare and maritime defence purposes, at a cost effective price.

Nowhere was ANTI-SHIP mentioned. So how is did your man categorize an OPV as a light frigate? A light frigate should at least be able to carry out either comprehensive anti-air mission or rudimentary surface warfare mission which our OPV cannot do any.

The only missile it can ever outfitted with is the Simbad RC which is basically a point defence system.

Omofaye99:

Evidence please

lionel4power:


Many of us have been in this thread long enough, and I thought some of us are actually learning something.

How many times have we been enlightened here that being modular doesn't automatically mean it can easily be outfitted with anti-ship missile in time for conflict?

The navy can't just wake up on morning and decide to outfit missiles on an unarmed OPV, the OPV in question will have to be fitted with the specific fire control system which in turn will be tied to an overall combat management system. which in turn will be connected to sensors, radars, sonars and then the weapons system for it to work.

All this must be done with the OEM consent and requires expertise assistance beyond regular shipbuilding. In naval ships, modularity does not equate plug and play. This has been said here many times than I count. When they say something is modular, it means it can adapt to different scenarios and can change it's mission set over time, it does not necessarily mean that it's easy to do or quick.

Secondly, to outfit a ship with anti-ship missiles even though modular would require sophisticated equipment which I doubt Nigeria possesses. Even if Nigeria has such, outfitting a ship would take at least six to eight months.

Just upgrading a ships hardware and software takes north of eight months. Most take at least a year. Judging from the USN annual deployment routine.

Dearsan OPV modular yes! fitted for but no missile acquired or paid for. One question, where would the navy get the missiles to fit the OPV from? Will they conjure them from thin air?

Now lastly, Even if a vessel is modular, you'll need to train the crew, technicians, and senior officers to outfit, man, and fire the missiles in time of war.

This requires specific training on missile firing process, guidance systems, and general warfare on the said vessel. Now it begs the question. Is Dearsan training Nigerians on how to man and FIRE missiles from the OPV?

The answer is likely NO.

In summary, to refit a modular vessel to fire missiles in time of crises will take upward of a year because you must first buy the missiles (with all the International bureaucracy involved), train the crew to man and fire the missile (at least 6 months) and the actual outfitting process. (at least 8 months)

By that time you'll have been thoroughly beaten by your opponent. A ship in maintenance or not in the fight at the start of war is as good as irrelevant. Ask the Ukrainian navy for their lesson notes.

Even the NN doesn't envision an aggressive role for the OPV as the naval admiral was clearly quoted “ The Admiral also emphasized the importance of these vessels to carry out maritime interdiction operations, surveillance and special forces operations as well as provide naval fire support to land forces, saying:

The OPVs will also be capable of conducting search and rescue operations, anti-piracy, anti-smuggling and anti-drug trafficking operations and disaster relief operations among others.”

Nowhere did he mention anti-ship or surface warfare operations.

Some time ago, some one mentioned that our Chinese OPVs has enough deck space for a VLS missile system between the bridge and the main 72 mm gun. I remember that person was schooled thoroughly here.


Tomorrow someone will say our Nigerian made seaward defence boats are modular therefore, they're light destroyers.

jl115:
yes it does every year

Odunayaw:
Weeps

GreenandGold:


When it comes to running cities, I would give the DA 8/10 (3/10 for the ANC)..

However, I'm not talking about that, I'm referring to economic activities that balance out the dual-economy. Let's take Cape Town as a perfect example of this economy, so at the front side of the mountain, it looks posh and people have money to spend, that's the first economy. At the back of the mountain is the Cape Flats, economic rot, poor people and desperation and that's the second economy.... The DA has been running the province for a decade now, there's not much change for the ones on the second economy (back of the mountain).

This is what I'm referring to. It seems like there's no available solution in the immediate term.

Nemesis4you:


Look at this smartass fuker

I don't know if you guys noticed the similarity of the situation played out in last 2 pages, to same as America played to lead Ukraine into conflict with Russia

This jl115 is busy playing America egging naive unsuspecting uncle cobert into digging own grave one after another ie same as Ukraine and other members doing the needful by doing Russia en masse on uncle cobert

I am warning u jln , i won't allow you to take advantage of innocence of uncle cobert like this

en garde !!!

Raeblack:
zambia armed forces

Raeblack:
zambia armed forces