Lordlexy: Tribalism is surely cancerious that kills unnoticed. Unfortunately, some embraced it, while some become so obssessed with it, which ever way, it cast a wool on one's eye preventing you from seeing and appreciating beauty. This project is the pride of Africa and not one ethnic group. Seriously, this has to stop. It's stinks and it's getting boring. Rheno the chief tribal warrior, i dey hail.

Yes, this is the Yoruba ingenuity and NO ONE CAN MATCH IT. If you are sad because I said it, go take a dive into Pacific ocean. For your info, your so-called thiefnibu is the brain behind it. can you show us anyone or any other people in Nigeria that can bring out this idea?.

Nothing like pride of Africa cos, this is what the progressive Yorubas can do that no ANY other ethnic group can match them.

Kairoseki77:

SMH!!!

YOU ARE THE ONE who tribalized this thread when you started claiming that 90% of Eko Atlantic is owned by non Yorubas. Stop claiming other people's things!

Now that you have been exposed, you want to pass the blame? Rubbish. Don't make claims you cannot back up and this will not happen to you. Personally, I came here to see the lovely pics.

You are so on point grasping the nuances that reveal the fraudulent character of Papabrowne. Sad he has not changed over the years I have known him here. This is what he does virtually all the time.

He will tribalise issues, with a specific bent on disenfranchising the Yorubas and fraudulently propping up other ethnic groups as if the Yorubas are irrelevant, only to play victim next second when factually discredited.

Here we can all see him conveniently trying to abandon how He made a show of lying about some bogus 90% "ownership" figure as if he can be privy to information that even the primary developers may not have 100%. Discredited, he quickly backtracks and slinks away from proving his claim which you and I know is bogus. What a fraudster.

So the only time you people (ibos) notice tribalism is when you are at the receiving end? When you attack other people, you claim you're trying to help them, when you claim other people's Land, you say you're trying to help them develop even though nobody wanna come to your own side let alone develop it. Deranged people.

Lordlexy: Tribalism is surely cancerious that kills unnoticed. Unfortunately, some embraced it, while some become so obssessed with it, which ever way, it cast a wool on one's eye preventing you from seeing and appreciating beauty. This project is the pride of Africa and not one ethnic group. Seriously, this has to stop. It's stinks and it's getting boring. Rheno the chief tribal warrior, i dey hail.

Hezron Lorraine: its better they have that heart-attack now so that by the time we build massive infrastructures world class,and the project is completed,they'll be nowhere to be found unless they join and celeberate the good works.

Word.

PapaBrowne:

The sad reality you guys have failed to embrace is that tribalism pays nobody. It only serves to hurt you.
Chaougory would not claim to own Lagos as it belongs to everybody that has bought land there. But he can well claim to be the custodian of Banana Island, as well as the owner of the land on which Eko Hotel sits and also this magnificent new city being built.

Tribal ownership of land in urban communities is a figment of the imagination of those who believe such. Those folks are omoniles at best. While you keep claiming ephemeral tribal ownership, others have gone ahead to acquire certificate of ownership.

Source of ethnic breakdown?? Like you seriously believe there is a list on Eko Atlantic stating what ethnicity purchase land there?? This tribalism is getting serious. Well let me oblige you. Most of the land is purchased in the name of companies majority of which(over 90%) were owned by non-Yoruba. Many are owned by Foreign Investment vehicles and the local owners are the same kind of folks that own real estate in Ikoyi & VI. So imagine the likes of Orji Kalu, TY Danjuma, Jim Ovia, Elumelu et al.

Please lets look beyond tribalism and discuss the merits of this wonderful city and its capacity attract huge amounst of investments to this country.

Childish and pitiable emesis. Pathetic

Horus:

Drainage pipes

How come no one ever talks about the massive employment generation capacity of this project? I can imagine that thousands and thousands of skilled, semi-skilled, and unskilled workers will be required to build and maintain these edifices. Whole careers will be built around the establishment of this new city for countless thousands of Nigerians.

PapaBrowne:

Actually, while I was writing the post, I was tempted to add that the only thing that would see the downfall of this beautiful city is the inclusion of tribalism and nepotism. But I refrained myself because I didn't want to bring tribe into it. But, you have done it already, so I will be nice enough to answer you.


The promoters of this project don't share the same mindset as you do. They are business men and they are out to make money. Chaugory, the chief promoter has no business with tribe. He is a Lebanese man who understands the rudiment of business. Its simple. First come, first serve. You pay, you get your land and build your dream. No questions about State of Origin. And you know what, in the first phase almost 80% of the land has been sold and over 90% were sold to . . . . . . . Non Yorubas. You heard me, Non Yorubas. Go check the records if you have the priviledge.

Stop lying you this shameless ibo bigot. I saw through your bigotry and made that post to embarrass you and which I did.

So, ibos own 80% of this project? Don't you bigots have any shame? WE ARE THE FIRST TO BUILD ARTIFICIAL CITY IN NIGERIA and you ibos can never never beat that in hundreds of years to come.

Ogun state is equally building the tallest building in Africa and you.can never never ever beat that. Thesame 'Fasole and thiefnibu' are the ones doing what entire south east can never ever do. This is the Yoruba ingenuity and you ibos can only be spectators on this.

^^Oh shut up.

rosebowl01: So the only time you people (ibos) notice tribalism is when you are at the receiving end? When you attack other people, you claim you're trying to help them, when you claim other people's Land, you say you're trying to help them develop even though nobody wanna come to your own side let alone develop it. Deranged people.

Don't mind the bigots.

Rossikk: ^^Oh shut up.

I like this Rossikk guy, he's always positive about Nigeria's ability to compete in the future. More grease to your elbow.

Kairoseki77:

SMH!!!

YOU ARE THE ONE who tribalized this thread when you started claiming that 90% of Eko Atlantic is owned by non Yorubas. [/b]Stop claiming other people's things!

Now that you have been exposed, you want to pass the blame? Rubbish. Don't make claims you cannot back up and this will not happen to you. Personally, I came here to see the lovely pics.

Are you sure about the bolded. Kindly read through the thread again. Tribalism is a cancer eating deep into you guys. Wish you know the damage you are doing to yourselves.

My Comment.

Can't wait for this city to become reality!! It would herald the coming of age of the African continent!
It would be a city of Africans, by Africans for Africans.
Once again, can't wait.

@Rhino 5dm's adulteration of my comment.

Can't wait for this city to become reality!! It would herald the coming of age of the African continent!
It would be a city of Africans [b]Yorubas, by Africans Yorubas for Africansthe whole world.
Once again, can't wait.

Judge for yourself. And by the way, I'm not from the south east as you claimed. I am Edo with many Yoruba relatives.

Rossikk: ^^Oh shut up.

This project is a brain child of Tinubu and Fashola, and they are both Yoruba! can anyone do this other than the Yorubas? No!!

They can only be begging for a bridge less sophisticated than this, for 30 years.

Good advise PapaBrowne, but here's my concern; how do you people fail to see this same tribalism in yourselves, and other ibos? why are you advising the ones that are now responding to attacks using the same weapon that has been thrown at them for decades? Going by our cosmopolitan nature, I don't think Yorubas set out to be tribalistic. But felt they have to return the same favor to those annoying bast*rds on the other side. They see nothing good in others, and condemn what you do no matter how hard you try, and how nice and welcoming you are to them initially.
Your advise sermon is one sided, and automatically rejected! Shove it down your rear end!

PapaBrowne: I feel very sorry for all you who have chosen to tribalise a wonderful project. Very pathetic and a gross display of crass unintelligence. Once again, I repeat, you do yourselves no good. While you little poor ones bicker about tribal ownership, real deals are being brokered on Eko Atlantic by everybody including Lebanbese, Hausas, Germans, Igbos, Americans, Yorubas, South Africans et al. Rich folk who would eventually build the properties don't care ish about tribe.

While you bicker and fight your e-wars to protect your imaginary tribal dynasty, Elumelu and Adenuga, Otedola and Jim Ovia, Dangote and Otudeko, Bello Osagie and Pascal Dozie would be cooling off to some Cuban Music somewhere where they usually discuss how to increase their fortunes and to do so, they would employ only the best whether you are Yoruba, Ibo or Hausa.

Once again, I sympathise with you tribalists.

From this point on, I would discuss only the merits of this wonderful project which I believe would be an example of the Africa of the future. I believe new cities and very modern cities would be built across Africa that would herald the coming of a modern continent that would command respect globally in the coming decades.

Hehe PapaBrowne shaming himself again.

I really can't wait for the completion of this Eko Atlantic. The SW is really projecting itself as the potential beauty of Africa. It can only get better I dare say.

Rhino.5dm:
This project is a brain child of Tinubu and Fashola, and they are both Yoruba! can anyone do this other than the Yorubas? No!!

They can only be begging for a bridge less sophisticated than this, for 30 years.

The sad part of this is you don't actually realize how unintelligent you sound.

PapaBrowne:


I am Edo with many Yoruba relatives.

Liar! You are ibo from Anambra.

Rossikk:

The sad part of this is you don't actually realize how unintelligent you sound.

Again!!

Rhino.5dm:
This project is a brain child of Tinubu and Fashola, and they are both Yoruba! can anyone do this other than the Yorubas? No!!

They can only be begging for a bridge less sophisticated than this, for 30 years.

rosebowl01: So the only time you people (ibos) notice tribalism is when you are at the receiving end? When you attack other people, you claim you're trying to help them, when you claim other people's Land, you say you're trying to help them develop even though nobody wanna come to your own side let alone develop it. Deranged people.

This is the totally shameless behaviour of some posters on display for the entire forum to see. Here, it is obvious they will use all manner of distracting noise to get away from giving credit to whom it is due perhaps because such would involve praising a Yoruba man they malign here 24/7!!!

All of a sudden, this project is "the pride of Africa" when these same posters ridicule one of the brains behinds it daily and non-stop any chance they get in cyberspace i.e Tinubu.

They ungraciously call him name daily yet notice how all of them, in their tribalistic glory, have turned this into an issue about "African glory" , Kalu, Elumelu, Ovia et al without even the decency, uprightness of character or decency to admit this project would not exist without Tinubu.

This is the daylight robbery we see from some folks cursed with the most vile form of usurpation mentality that will annoy even the most virtuous of angels. Why begin talking about a project and giving it a non-Yoruba identity, even indicating falsely your ethnic group will populate it, without the decency to acknowledge the Yoruba brain and spine involved with it? What a sick joke from sick minds.

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Next to site of Eko Pearl Tower

E tire me my brother. I'm very objective with my opinion and would not deny seeing Yorubas attacking and calling Ibos names. I do not like it, I think it's wrong either way, but what do you do when you're being called names, and are expected not to respond due to the fear of being labelled "a bigot"? What do you do when a man comes to live around you in search of a better life, then turns around and starts telling you that he's your lord now, and that he's superior to everyone else in Nigeria?

Gbawe:

This is the totally shameless behaviour of some posters on display for the entire forum to see and they still arrogantly will not give credit to whom it is due perhaps because such would involve praising a Yoruba man they malign here 24/7!!! All of a sudden, this project is "the pride of Africa" when these same posters ridicule one of the brains behinds it daily and non-stop any chance they get in cyberspace i.e Tinubu.

They ungraciously call him name daily yet notice how all of them, in their tribalistic glory, have turned this into an issue about "African glory" , Kalu, Elumelu, Ovia et al without even the decency, uprightness of character or decency to admit this project would not exist without Tinubu.

This is the daylight robbery we see from some folks cursed with the most vile form of usurpation mentality that will annoy even the most virtuous of angels. Why begin talking about a project and giving it a non-Yoruba identity, even indicating falsely your ethnic group will populate it, without the decency to acknowledge the Yoruba brain and spine involved with it? What a sick joke from sick minds.

PapaBrowne:


Are you sure about the bolded. Kindly read through the thread again. Tribalism is a cancer eating deep into you guys. Wish you know the damage you are doing to yourselves.

My Comment.


@Rhino 5dm's adulteration of my comment.


Judge for yourself. And by the way, I'm not from the south east as you claimed. I am Edo with many Yoruba relatives.

You were chanting Africa, Africa, Africa!

But as soon as someone says that Yorubas were instrumental in building it, you say it's all owned by foreign multinationals and some Igbos! Mtcheew!

You are now claiming to be an Edo man. Claiming and claiming all manner of absurdities. Stop laying claim to other people's things and face your own region.

Kairoseki77:

You were chanting Africa, Africa, Africa!

But as soon as someone says that a Yoruba built it, you say it's all owned by foreign multinationals and some Igbos! Mtcheew!

You are now claiming to be an Edo man. Claiming and claiming all manner of absurdities. Stop laying claim to other people's things and face your own region.

Isn't it the pride of Africa, or should I say, the pride of Nigeria?

rosebowl01: E tire me my brother. I'm very objective with my opinion and would not deny seeing Yorubas attacking and calling Ibos names. I do not like it, I think it's wrong either way, but what do you do when you're being called names, and are expected not to respond due to the fear of being labelled "a bigot"? What do you do when a man comes to live around you in search of a better life, then turns around and starts telling you that he's your lord now, and that he's superior to everyone else in Nigeria?

When did that dude ever insult anyone on this thread? I am still searching.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Horus!

LWKMD!

By Drew Henshaw, July 2, 2013

LAGOS, Nigeria—Africa’s cities are running out of land, prompting a real-estate developer here to erect what might be Africa’s ritziest district on a beach long known as a haven for day laborers and beer tipplers.

The shacks that crowded the shoreline called Bar Beach are gone, replaced by construction tents. Families who squatted here were evicted. For the past four years, a Lebanese-Nigerian property developer has hosed sand into the ocean, creating new land for planned jogging paths, yacht jetties and condominiums with helipads for 250,000 opulent Nigerians.

The new Eko Atlantic township is emblematic of a booming business in Africa in which developers build walled-off cities for the very rich on a continent that is still the world’s poorest.

Developer Gilbert Chagoury, founder of Nigeria’s Chagoury Group, is the epitome of Africa’s moneyed class: Aside from a friendship with Bill Clinton, whose 1996 presidential campaign he helped fund, Mr. Chagoury boasts an ambassadorship from St. Lucia to the Vatican and a gallery in the Louvre named after him and his wife, both contributors.

Flush with funding from French banks that are enticed by Africa’s rapid growth, the 67-year-old Mr. Chagoury is aiming to cap his career with the most colossal real-estate project in West Africa.

“This is going to be the equivalent of Champs Élysées in Paris or Fifth Avenue in New York,” says David Frame, managing director of South EnergX, a construction unit of Chagoury Group. He was standing on a gravel road that will be paved into an eight-lane boulevard, ending at a gated exit into the rest of Lagos.

Africa has the world’s fastest-growing cities, according to the United Nations. Its current urban population of 450 million is expected to triple in the next four decades.

As vacant land vanishes in African cities, foreign investors are responding with the creation of new cities out of forests, grasslands and landfill. Investors expect to wring big profits from offering Africa’s wealthy places to live, work and shop away from the crumbling infrastructure and squalor of old cities.

But those projects have come under fire from critics who point out that they will in no way alleviate the housing crisis hitting the majority of the population. In Lagos, few will be able to afford Eko Atlantic’s glass tower condos.

Meanwhile, some of these gargantuan projects are struggling. Renaissance Capital Financial Holdings Ltd. of Moscow plans to build a city for 62,000 people on a coffee farm outside Nairobi, Kenya, and a similar-size project on a pepper field near Ghana’s capital of Accra.

The coffee farm in Kenya is still just that, as Renaissance works out a dispute with shareholders. The project in Ghana is mired in a disagreement between local chiefs over who owns the pepper field.

China International Trust and Investment Corp. built a $3.5 billion city for 500,000 people near Angola’s capital, Luanda. The suburb opened in 2011 but remains a ghost town, as the government strains to sell the $200,000 condos to a population whose per-capita income is $6,000 a year.

Mr. Chagoury hopes that Eko Atlantic will be different. Project executives point to Lagos’s population of oil-rich elites, which is both larger than that of Luanda’s and readier to pay top dollar for clean streets and modern infrastructure. They decline to say how much Eko Atlantic will cost, other to say it will be “in the billions” of dollars.

Their city, Lagos, is crowded and chaotic. Its population grows by nine people every 10 minutes, according to the U.N., which estimates that Lagos has 11 million people and is the world’s fastest-growing megacity. The Nigerian government puts the city’s total population at 21 million.

Even in posh neighborhoods, sewage bubbles up from open ditches. For want of office towers, hundreds of companies squeeze their headquarters into moldy midcentury ranch houses. At lunch, many companies turn off their lights to rest chugging electric generators. To escape choking traffic, many elites commute by helicopter or yacht.

What little housing there is for Nigeria’s growing middle class is pricey. Average rent on a three-bedroom apartment in downtown Lagos is $3,624 a month, according to Dubai-based research firm Reidin. Landlords usually expect two years of rent in advance, preferably paid in U.S. dollars. It is a challenge for Nigeria’s middle class, whose income averages about $600 a month, according to Renaissance Capital.

Buying is just as tough. City records on land ownership are a mess, stockpiled or missing. Swindles involving forged titles and the fraudulent sale of villas are common.

Home loans come with double-digit interest rates. In a country of 167 million people, there are only 20,000 mortgages, according to Nigeria’s finance minister, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala.

To keep pace, construction activity expands by 13% a year, according to government statistics. Architect Ade Laoye estimates that Lagos needs at least needs 10,000 additional houses a year.

“We don’t have the architects, electricians, bricklayers, engineers, the builders,” Mr. Laoye says.

One person who does have resources is Mr. Chagoury, a Nigerian-born construction magnate. He got his first taste of city-making in the 1990s, when the government hired him to construct a small banana-shaped peninsula now dotted with million-dollar homes.

In 2003, Lagos’s government approached Mr. Chagoury with a problem. Waves were crashing over Bar Beach, washing away some of the drug scene, but also flooding shore-side avenues and wetting the lobbies of important Nigerian companies.

He returned with an offer to build a sea wall without charge. In return, Lagos’s government allowed his company to dredge sand from the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean—and shoot it out of a hose to create 3.9 square miles of beach.

The square mile poured so far is a panorama of sand, resembling the Sahara. Manhole covers pop up several feet above the dunes as the skeletal beginnings of a drainage system. Near the ocean, cranes drop X-shaped blocks to make a sea wall.

Mr. Chagoury declined requests for an interview. But project executives say that they already have sold all but two of the several dozen building sites on the sandlot. Buyers plan an international school, high-rise condos, spas, headquarters for several oil companies, a conference center shaped like the sails of a boat and a U-shaped office tower called Unity.

Lower-end developers worry such endeavors will inflate the cost of building materials for years to come. An already stretched supply of bricklayers and cement mixers will leave to work here.

Developers like Michel El Chemor are unapologetic about catering to the top end of Nigeria’s property market. He bought a plot from Mr. Chagoury for the site’s first skyscraper: a $50 million, 24-story condo called Eko Pearl. It will peer out over a marina—and the smog and skyline of Lagos.

“I’m sorry to say, but it’s chaos in Lagos,” he says. “They’re going to need to destroy what they had before and rebuild it, which will take a long time.”

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These comments below from mostly Americans about this project says a lot about perceptions and narrow-mindedness. This is perhaps the reason why we African must eschew disunity and act with the knowledge that nobody is going to give us a chance.

1)Bill Hefner
Geez. and real estate development wasn't already risky enough. Now add Nigerians (the most corrupt people on earth), affiliations with Bill Clinton and the Vatican, Russian financiers, misplaced pricey-condos-in-poverty-stricken-population marketing strategies, on and on. Why not just install Bernie Madoff as CFO...

2)Dean Warren
Wow, I Bet Those Rich People in Nigeria Could Use Some New Power Plants! How About We Borrow a Bunch of Money, Increase the National Debt, and Build Them Some? Sounds Like a Great Idea, Doesn't It?

3)David Peterson
Africa has tremendous potential, but there are a lot of problems to overcome in order to tap that potential. I'm not sure this idea gets them any closer. What they really need is political stability and law and order. The United States is pretty much the epitomy of both, and could do a lot to make headway in Africa, yet our leaders seem only luke warm toward Africa. When they do make overtures, it mainly takes the form of charity and money, which is not what Africa needs.

4)John Murray
Just concluded a 3 year gig in Lagos. Used to go running along Bar Beach most Saturday mornings. Stunning what they are doing there. Africa/Nigeria is being colonized by Lebanese, Chinese, Indians and an occasional Brit/Euro. Americans are only there for the oil. A truly global frontier town. A bunch of cowboys, not too many sheriffs. It's a fascinating place.
Would compare it to Lower NYC/East London in the late 1800's. Dirty, nasty but it represents opportunity for the non-established people of the world. Just like the western hemisphere did 200 hundred years ago.

5)Oleg Drut
I wonder where they will find work force to complete this project? ship them from China or India?

6)Trevor Sutherland
Last month Tony Blair remarked how the African continent was "poised to be the great economic story of the 21st century". Trillions in untapped resources, land as fertile as any on Earth, and FINALLY, countries are starting to recover from the European exploitation. They just better be careful not to allow Chinese exploitation, and, if history is any guide, they better keep a close eye on the Arabs. In 1950, products made in Japan were considered junk; by 1980, they were the standard of the world. Remember when Hyundai was a punch line? Not anymore. In 2070 my grandkids will be turning up their noses at American made cars because they think cars made in Nigeria are better....LOL...

By insult, and calling people names, I directly and indirectly said "some Ibos", and my grudge with him is his one-sided view of which people are guilty of it. He also came reeling out names of 90% of people from his village that are supposedly buying up the new project. What do you think is the point he's trying to make with that list? What is wrong is WRONG! regardless of the direction that it is coming from. You can't just choose side because it is convenient for you.

Yoshi-Master:


When did that dude ever insult anyone on this thread? I am still searching.

some people have lost it due to igbophobia abeg no brake things for anti bisi houseooo u better enter bathroom talk to the mirror..find these guys amazing

Fashola dey tryooo,he dey develop all these for igbo boys

PapaBrowne:
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These comments below from mostly Americans about this project says a lot about perceptions and narrow-mindedness. This is perhaps the reason why we African must eschew disunity and act with the knowledge that nobody is going to give us a chance.

1)Bill Hefner
Geez. and real estate development wasn't already risky enough. Now add Nigerians (the most corrupt people on earth), affiliations with Bill Clinton and the Vatican, Russian financiers, misplaced pricey-condos-in-poverty-stricken-population marketing strategies, on and on. Why not just install Bernie Madoff as CFO...

2)Dean Warren
Wow, I Bet Those Rich People in Nigeria Could Use Some New Power Plants! How About We Borrow a Bunch of Money, Increase the National Debt, and Build Them Some? Sounds Like a Great Idea, Doesn't It?

3)David Peterson
Africa has tremendous potential, but there are a lot of problems to overcome in order to tap that potential. I'm not sure this idea gets them any closer. What they really need is political stability and law and order. The United States is pretty much the epitomy of both, and could do a lot to make headway in Africa, yet our leaders seem only luke warm toward Africa. When they do make overtures, it mainly takes the form of charity and money, which is not what Africa needs.

4)John Murray
Just concluded a 3 year gig in Lagos. Used to go running along Bar Beach most Saturday mornings. Stunning what they are doing there. Africa/Nigeria is being colonized by Lebanese, Chinese, Indians and an occasional Brit/Euro. Americans are only there for the oil. A truly global frontier town. A bunch of cowboys, not too many sheriffs. It's a fascinating place.
Would compare it to Lower NYC/East London in the late 1800's. Dirty, nasty but it represents opportunity for the non-established people of the world. Just like the western hemisphere did 200 hundred years ago.

5)Oleg Drut
I wonder where they will find work force to complete this project? ship them from China or India?

6)Trevor Sutherland
Last month Tony Blair remarked how the African continent was "poised to be the great economic story of the 21st century". Trillions in untapped resources, land as fertile as any on Earth, and FINALLY, countries are starting to recover from the European exploitation. They just better be careful not to allow Chinese exploitation, and, if history is any guide, they better keep a close eye on the Arabs. In 1950, products made in Japan were considered junk; by 1980, they were the standard of the world. Remember when Hyundai was a punch line? Not anymore. In 2070 my grandkids will be turning up their noses at American made cars because they think cars made in Nigeria are better....LOL...

Is this real? If it is, then I am pissed.