Reyginus: Dude, can atheism exist if there is no theism?

italo:

At best, a mere rant. No evidence of anything you said.

italo:
Who has the burden of proof. I know God is. How am I obliged to prove it to you?

It is you who stupidly claims that things that aren't scientifically proven are non-existent while not being able to prove your own claims scientifically.

Wrong. Why should I take YOU seriously when you cannot prove many of your claims scientifically yet insist other must do so to validate their claims?

For the upteenth time on this thread, it doesn't matter to me whether you care or not. Yes, my belief has both empirical and logical backing but why should I bother offering to you when you are not honest enough to admit that: that you haven't perceived something, that people misunderstand it...and that you haven't seen the kind of evidence you want doesn't mean that thing is non-existent?

I think you are the deluded one. If you can evolve from fish, how is it impossible for animals to talk?

If your speech is as a result of a chemical or physical reaction that started the universe, who's to set the limits for that reaction.

I think you're worse than just deluded. You're also daft and arrogant about your folly. A lethal mix.

Oluye0311:

Yes. Gods were not always there. Religion was not always there.

plaetton: The word Faith, itself, by definition, incorporates doubt.
Faith US the attempt to shrug off deep doubts.
Faith is the expression of anxiety about certainty.
AS such, the level of expressed faith is directly proportional to the level anxiety and inner doubts about certainty.

truthislight:

yeah, you are right, my dear plaeton.

My faith is very small, but you laugh at me.

But you dear plaeton, you are a man of faith of extraordinary proportion.




I have faith of just 6000 years, you have faith of 43 billion years thing. Lol.

you my dear friend have a very large faith!

Why will you want to extend my small faith to that large extent ?

From a mare faith in 6000 years to 43 billion years thing. Lol.

guy, i hail you !

You too much.

Faith in 43 billion years. Smh.

I ant got that much faith !

musKeeto:

Would you accept then that we do not come hardwired with any beliefs in a Creator?

italo:
Who has the burden of proof. I know God is. How am I obliged to prove it to you?

italo:
It is you who stupidly claims that things that aren't scientifically proven are non-existent while not being able to prove your own claims scientifically.

italo:
Wrong. Why should I take YOU seriously when you cannot prove many of your claims scientifically yet insist other must do so to validate their claims?

italo:
For the upteenth time on this thread, it doesn't matter to me whether you care or not. Yes, my belief has both empirical and logical backing but why should I bother offering to you when you are not honest enough to admit that: that you haven't perceived something, that people misunderstand it...and that you haven't seen the kind of evidence you want doesn't mean that thing is non-existent?

italo:
I think you are the deluded one. If you can evolve from fish, how is it impossible for animals to talk?

italo:
If your speech is as a result of a chemical or physical reaction that started the universe, who's to set the limits for that reaction.

italo:
I think you're worse than just deluded. You're also daft and arrogant about your folly. A lethal mix.

italo: @ wiegraf, I dont answer you because you epistles are too long yet have very little relevant content. Most of it is just chaff and repitition. I suppose that saying a thing 100 times makes it true for you. But you have not given my proof that God doesnt exist even 1 time.

Bottomline!

Logicboy03:

italo: @ wiegraf, I dont answer you because you epistles are too long yet have very little relevant content. Most of it is just chaff and repitition. I suppose that saying a thing 100 times makes it true for you. But you have not given my proof that God doesnt exist even 1 time.

Bottomline!

Logicboy03:

Mr Troll: gbam!!!

Thread closed. Italo has been buried

FrostyZonn: All the folklores and myths passed down from generation to generations is a clear testament that humans started out as theist(obviously not from conception, but through evolution). Anybody saying otherwise, is living in fools paradise.

Man started out with curiosities, Curiosity begets Superstition, Superstition in turn begets questions, Questions beget answers. Answers beget Religion. That's my theory of how how man's belief in deities came to fruition. It evolved naturally...with no space for atheism.

italo: No. Religion is not illogical. It's Atheism that is illogical and I'll tell you why.

I tell you I know God is. That he is Spirit but can sometimes manifest himself in the physical or make himself perceivable to our natural senses. I tell you I have perceived him. Yet you claim I have never perceived him. How are you to know?

How can you say because you cant see something, it doesnt exist?

How illogical does it get?

You claim that I have faith without physical evidence...and I agree. You tell me I believe religious leaders when they tell me God is without physical evidence and I agree.


But the irony is: you believe man evolved from fish without physical evidence too. You believe in emotions like love and hate exist without physical evidence too. You believe because men have told you these without physical evidence too.

Evidently, even Atheists are people of FAITH too: BELIEVING without physical evidence.

Then, the troubling thing is: you ask me to use a telescope to show you a spirit.

Incredible!

Like a blind man asking me to show him a picture before he can believe something.

Spiritually, you are blind and will not perceive a spirit...

plaetton: Religious books in general, from the Genesis, to revelations, to the Koran are all written on the central theme of suppressing doubts.

Just pick Any part of the bible and what you see are the pleadings for recognition and acceptance, then followed by subtle blackmail, and then by increasing levels of threats for not believing or expressing doubts.

The bible is nothing but a book of blackmail carefully designed to prevent the average human being from expressing what is very natural and innate: namely Curiosity and healthy skepticism .

The bible and it's accompanying doctrines of the christian faith, remarkably, have evolved built-in mechanisms in the form of various dogma to checkmate, and possibly prevent the ever constant threat of relapse into doubts, and into the default human settings of curiousity and skepticism.

For example, the invention of the devil and eternal hellfire are two of those built-in mechanisms designed to checkmate the ever present fear and possibility of free and unfettered expression of thought and imagination.

" the devil will use you if your faith falters or is found wanting"
" you will go to hell if you do not believe"

If something good happens to you, your faith( the negation of doubts) has been rewarded. So you are encouraged to maintain the course and suspend and keep all doubts in in the abiss of your mind.

If something bad happens to you, well, it's evidence of your waning faith. You have not showed enough faith. You subconscious doubts are getting the better of you.You are then encouraged to step up your game by a regimented program of prayers,special prayers, fasting and vigils to banish your ever present doubts deeper into the abiss of your mind.

So religious belief is a constant and perpetual war against doubts. It's a battle , and they make no pretences whatsoever about that.

A crusade, both by definition, and it's actual application in christian preachings today, highlights the fact that a crusade is a war against doubts.

Infact, they even have a special word for waning faith and increasing doubts. It is called Backsliding.

Backsliding simply means that a believer's doubts are increasing to a non-acceptable and potentially dangerous levels.

Reyginus: Lolol. I'm yet to see how religion is the extreme form of atheism.

plaetton:

I am getting there.

wiegraf:

For instance, you say I've not given you one bit of evidence, and we're talking about yah'weh here, yes? Yet you ignore, for one, your friend the talking donkey. I'm still waiting for your thesis. Let's not even get into all the other stuff I mentioned.

Kay 17:

DOGMA!

I strongly doubt if you can intelligibly discuss the concept of spirits without borrowing from your physical experience and physical language.

What kind of "feeling" is there to experience God the spirit?!

Reyginus: Okay.

italo: I do not believe that something has to have scientific evidence to be true.

italo: It's you who believes so. It's you who needs to validate that position by having evidence for everything you believe. It's you who's failing.

wiegraf:

Oh, wow.

Please, toss out your computer, medicine, etc. Toss out everything the scientific method has given you. From now on, please contact us using spirit power, eg prayers. As they're objectively true

wiegraf:


Are you not the same clown that was whining about 'epistles'? Are you bleeping blind?? Go back, read up, then pretend you cannot see the evidence. Eediot.

Please, feel free to not believe in gravity, evolution, plat tectonics, germ theory, etc. They exist regardless of what you believe. Well tested and validated, repeatedly, and you use the fruits of their implications daily. Anyone with training and resources can go out and objectively test these, use them, etc, anytime. Ignore as much as you want, your prerogative, but don't expect me to indulge you. Not at least until you release your ground breaking paper on the talking donkey, ie.

wiegraf: Please, toss out your computer, medicine, etc. Toss out everything the scientific method has given you. From now on, please contact us using spirit power, eg prayers. As they're objectively true

italo: After you toss out all your devices that usr wifi, wireless tech and radio.

It was Rev Fr Josef Murgas that gave us wireless technology.