myOGAonTOP: Leave the sacred things of God for God! I beg all you.
2 samuel 6 : 1 - 7 is a perfect case study of someone who was trying to 'help' God out and stabilise His temple.
An ordained man of will ALWAYS have God's attention no matter what. His sins are only subject to God's judgement and reprimand . No other is allowed to venture into it.
In the case of moses as the OP cited;
1. Miriam was older than moses. She nursed him.
2. She was a prophetess well versed in spiritual matters.
3. She was 'right' in her assessment of the issue. Moses was wrong.
Yet.......i always shy away from such dicey issue because Yaweh is sovereighn and at such no man is qualified to do His duty for Him i.e passing judgement on someone He called to serve. Pls be guided so as not to provoke .......

gree-die:
hmmm

gree-die:
hmmm

therealMcCain: Please read the entire write up before you crucify me….
I will cite examples from scriptures to backup what I have to say

Numbers 12:1-10
1. When Moses married an Cushite woman, it was against the law and possible penalty was expulsion from the camp of Israelites(They weren’t suppose to marry outside the tribe of israel).

In Vs 1-2
And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married; for he had married a Cushite woman.
And they said, Hath Jehovah indeed spoken only with Moses? hath he not spoken also with us? And Jehovah heard it

In Vs 4-9
God came into the matter, the issue was no longer Moses breaking the law, but what gave Aaron & Miriam the right to talk in the matter(don’t forget Miriam was a prophetess and Aaron a high priest)

In Vs 10
Miriam was struck with leprosy and it took the same Moses(who had done a wrong thing to intercede on her behalf)


1 Samuel 1:13
And this man went up out of his city from year to year to worship and to sacrifice unto Jehovah of hosts in Shiloh. And the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, priests unto Jehovah, were there.


1 Samuel 2:12-17
Vs 12 Now the sons of Eli were base men; they knew not Jehovah
Vs 17 And the sin of the young men was very great before Jehovah; for the men despised the offering of Jehovah

1 Samuel 2:22(notice the very thing that the pastor is being accused of is what the sons of eli did)
Now Eli was very old; and he heard all that his sons did unto all Israel, and how that they lay with the women that did service at the door of the tent of meeting.

1 samuel 2:27-34
God comes into the matter and declares their end

1 samuel 4:11
And the ark of God was taken; and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were slain.

chagga:


Ogunjimi James Taiwo: In defence of Ese Walters: Memo to religious addicts

By Ogunjimi James Taiwo on August 25, 2013
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“You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.” – Malcolm X

“Let hundreds like me perish, but let truth prevail. Let us not reduce the standards of truth even by a hair’s breadth for judging erring mortals like myself.” – Mahatma Gandhi

At the risk of being labelled a heretic and apostate by die-hard religious people who refused to believe that human beings are fallible regardless of their ‘spiritual’ stature, I have decided to give my opinion on this burning issue.

You see, like so many issues that we have in Nigeria, the issue of religion has perhaps shown over time that we are still immature when it comes to handling issues. We tend to neglect so many rules and embrace deliberate lies. The first rule every human must understand is: Trust no one. The Bible itself gave us that rule in Jeremiah 17:9, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

The Ese Walters issue has brought into light what many young women that have trudged into some of these new generation churches have been passing through in silence. The reactions that trailed Ese’s revelations are perhaps part of the reasons why these ladies have elected to keep quiet rather that face ridicule and open themselves up to scorn in the society.



I put it forward that some of the statements that Ese attributed to the COZA pastor are statements that cannot be denied by people who have spent their lives in churches and close to church leaders. I grew up in a pentecostal church where you get to listen to some of these statements; whether jokingly or not.

Most of those attacking Ese know this is the truth. Come to most of the churches on campus that have only student pastors without adult supervision and you’ll see and hear more than that. Some of the things that happen are too raw to even utter.

Over time, when pastors commit adultery and have affairs, their church members have always been quick to term the lady involved as an ‘agent’ of darkness sent to pull down the pastor. The pastor hides under that garb and gets away with sin while the lady involved is stigmatised forever.

These issues of sexual abuse are issues that bodies such as CAN and PFN must begin to address instead of concerning themselves with political issues. Recently, the Cameroon government ordered the closure of all pentecostal churches there because of their excesses and unacceptable acts. If these acts continue, Nigerian pentecostal churches must get ready to be shut down too and woe betide anyone who claims its persecution because even God must be disgusted with the way we practice religion.

As for Ese, my sympathies are with her and with the myriad of ladies who have suffered similar things and have had to keep quiet because of societal responses. As for the COZA pastor, let’s see you respond to the latest revelation by Franca. Thank God Franca has audio and pictorial evidences.

By Ogunjimi James Taiwo , Ogun State, Nigeria

gree-die:
hmmm

therealMcCain:
How many of you will come back from work to find out that your child has been mercilessly beaten by the maiguard or househelp, will you be happy?? Regardless of what your child has done, you feel its your right as a parent to do the disciplining!! (am not talking about a maid spanking your kid or asking him/her to kneel)

nothing is secred there. people like you are a waste of space. call a spade a spade and stop this stupidity

uken73: I'm not affiliated with COZA, neither do I know Ese, but I believe that in case Ese’s story about the COZA pastor is true, we should not make ourselves Judges over the matter. And meanwhile, there is this other interesting story I heard from a friend.

My friend was owed by a Pastor who obviously had the capacity to pay, but just won’t pay. He was advised to go and harass the Pastor at his Church during service; at least his member will pay if the Pastor does not bulge. But he said he can't try it, instead he will leave him to God. He particularly recounted an incidence where someone in the past had tried to humiliate a man of God in a similar fashion and God struck the man dead.

In the incidence, a member of a Church went back home and caught his Pastor sleeping with his wife. The Pastor had ran naked into a moveable wardrobe to hide. The man locked the wardrobe and called some boys to carry the wardrobe to church. A heavy crowd had gathered at the church to see and mock. The man opened the wardrobe, low and behold; there was the Pastor, naked as from birth. Immediately thunder struck the man dead and everyone fled. The Pastor went away unharmed.

The first two lines of a Hymn by William Cowper (1731-1800) say 'God moves in a mysterious way His wonders to perform'. The bible has something similar in Isaiah 55:8-9 (King James Version)
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

Just leave him to God. It's non of your business.

pastor prosper :
Touch not my annoited and do my prophets no harm. Even if pastor of coza fornicated with ese, if God has forgiven him then any adverse comment made by anyone on the matter amounts to sin. In view of this most nairalanders would not make heaven. * smh*

oche_ejemb:

Abeg dont talk rubbish here,,,the God me i serve does not go on personal vendetta on behalf of adulterous pastors. Rabid wolves in sheep clothing. With all the bad people roaming the world and causing evil, the God I serve in his infinite mercy and grace has not struck them down. The Pharisees and Romans that killed Jesus like a common criminal, God didn't strike them to death, it's the person who's wife Pastor is giving special deliverance, and taking to special levels of grace, on his marital bed, that God will strike down, for exposing him to his own church.

Thank God God isnt a human being

Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

2Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him...13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works...19 For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise. 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face... 27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and unclothedness. 28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. 29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?

1 Peter 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

3 John 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. 11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

1 Timoth 5:1 Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; 2 The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity

therealMcCain: i'm amazed with 78 views, just 2 comments!!

mencade5: scam of tje century. Yes God will be the judge but are we sure they are called by God. I won't be deceived by these ashawo pastors and[color=#006600][/color] thief thief pastors. *grabs a bottle of kunu and biscuits*