Elxandre: What about a mad man known crazed for decades by many being cured?

@folykaze do you believe that for any force that exists, there is bound to be some opposing force capable of countering this force?

If as you said some atheists believe in spirits, they have to understand this analogy that good and evil spirits do exist. and a chance therefore that a Governing superior force thus exists.

*And dont you guys think the bible is too detailed and historically astute to be total fiction?..

*sorry about your grandmum tho! churches take things to the extreme sometimes!

Seun: If you are honest with yourself, you will realise that you've never really witnessed a miracle in a context where the facts could be verified. This is because the vast majority of so-called miracles are hoaxes.

People claiming to be healed because they think their "faith" and "confession" will cause the healing to manifest. That doesn't work, of course, but such "testimonies" make other people believe that miracles are real.

People interpreting their hysteric reactions to emotionally charged services (e.g. tingling sensations) as evidence of healing from ailments that can only be tested in a hospital e.g. cancer or AIDS. Only to discover that they have not been healed when they get back home.

People who are partly disabled who are treated as if they are fully disabled and then they are said to be healed and their partial abilities are treated as evidence of healing. E.g. someone that walks with crutches is asked to sit on a wheelchair and then told to "rise up and walk" as if he/she could not do that before.

Mentally challenged people who think they are demon possessed and go from crusade to crusade "manifesting" their mental illness during the deliverance sessions in order to be delivered, and then when the preacher shouts at them to shut up and they do so people think its a miracle.

In the many cases, it's reasonable to assume that people are probably paid to pretend to be sick and then "healed" on stage. We live in a country where many people tell lies to make money, so this should not surprise you.

slap1: I believe in miracles! Jesus Christ is Lord and He needs no mortal approval to validate His existence and powers!

gluv01:

OR madam Ogugua is unable to concieve for like 10 years, and glory to God! He'll pass through sexskillz to give her twins then you'll believe his works.

Chrisbenogor: I would believe a simple miracle

Draw a triangle that has angles more than 180 degrees inside.

gluv01:

@the bolded, they do go for checks, and come back to testify, THAT'S A MIRACLE!

gluv01: @The second bolded, SEUN OSEWA, if a pastor shouts at you to shut up because a demon is in you, and you know you are fine just some mental malfunction, i believe you'll get up and shut him up as well with your complementary card so he knows who to 'shut up' next time.

gluv01: @the third, yes some people are paid to pretend, nevertheless, God never fails HIS people.

gluv01: There are real pastors and fake ones which are the anti-christs.

gluv01: You don't even need a man of God to get your miracle. MAny Bible passages confirm that. '..If only they can ask, they will be free'..

gluv01: If you haven't experienced a miracle yet, no worries over your disbelief i can understand.

gluv01: The only miracle that can change your life and make you believe that God is alive is when Mukina dies and God uses/passes through Okija juju to bring her back to life.
OR madam Ogugua is unable to concieve for like 10 years, and glory to God! He'll pass through sexskillz to give her twins then you'll believe his works.

gluv01: Abeg sef, SEUN your case is different. All the christian topics in the religion section would be a great help if you go through them.

gluv01: Tapes and podcast will help you.

gluv01: This is not the first time you've argued about miracles nor will it be the last.

gluv01: So let me save my saliva biko.

gluv01: I'll keep on praying for your salvation though

Seun: If you are honest with yourself, you will realise that you've never really witnessed a miracle in a context where the facts could be verified. This is because the vast majority of so-called miracles are hoaxes.

People claiming to be healed because they think their "faith" and "confession" will cause the healing to manifest. That doesn't work, of course, but such "testimonies" make other people believe that miracles are real.

People interpreting their hysteric reactions to emotionally charged services (e.g. tingling sensations) as evidence of healing from ailments that can only be tested in a hospital e.g. cancer or AIDS. Only to discover that they have not been healed when they get back home.

People who are partly disabled who are treated as if they are fully disabled and then they are said to be healed and their partial abilities are treated as evidence of healing. E.g. someone that walks with crutches is asked to sit on a wheelchair and then told to "rise up and walk" as if he/she could not do that before.

Mentally challenged people who think they are demon possessed and go from crusade to crusade "manifesting" their mental illness during the deliverance sessions in order to be delivered, and then when the preacher shouts at them to shut up and they do so people think its a miracle.

In the many cases, it's reasonable to assume that people are probably paid to pretend to be sick and then "healed" on stage. We live in a country where many people tell lies to make money, so this should not surprise you.

Chrisbenogor: I would believe a simple miracle

Draw a triangle that has angles more than 180 degrees inside.

Seun: If you are honest with yourself, you will realise that you've never really witnessed a miracle in a context where the facts could be verified. This is because the vast majority of so-called miracles are hoaxes.

Seun: If you are honest with yourself, you will realise that you've never really witnessed a miracle in a context where the facts could be verified. This is because the vast majority of so-called miracles are hoaxes.

People claiming to be healed because they think their "faith" and "confession" will cause the healing to manifest. That doesn't work, of course, but such "testimonies" make other people believe that miracles are real.

People interpreting their hysteric reactions to emotionally charged services (e.g. tingling sensations) as evidence of healing from ailments that can only be tested in a hospital e.g. cancer or AIDS. Only to discover that they have not been healed when they get back home.

People who are partly disabled who are treated as if they are fully disabled and then they are said to be healed and their partial abilities are treated as evidence of healing. E.g. someone that walks with crutches is asked to sit on a wheelchair and then told to "rise up and walk" as if he/she could not do that before.

Mentally challenged people who think they are demon possessed and go from crusade to crusade "manifesting" their mental illness during the deliverance sessions in order to be delivered, and then when the preacher shouts at them to shut up and they do so people think its a miracle.

In the many cases, it's reasonable to assume that people are probably paid to pretend to be sick and then "healed" on stage. We live in a country where many people tell lies to make money, so this should not surprise you.

Elliotwiz1: This is the exact question i ask myself....what do atheists think about miracles....please atheists(bunch of confused people) drop your replies here

deeptesting:

If truly miracle do exist then it shouldn't be selective.....The men of God should have healed all the disables in the world, don't you think do?don't tell me it based on individual faith otherwise it is no miracle. In conclusion it will be more honorable to admit the limits of what we know and understand, than to leap to the conclusion that the inexplicable is of God. Most miraculous events that are inexplicable today will surely be unravelled by science in the near future.

Elliotwiz1: k fine....please go to the synagogue church of all nations as a atheist and confront the pastor...then see what happens to you, go with a camera, if nothing happens then i will become an atheist like you, bunch of confused people...the bible says "a fool have said in his heart that there is no God"hope you know who you are??dweeb

Elliotwiz1: k fine....please go to the synagogue church of all nations as a atheist and confront the pastor...then see what happens to you, go with a camera, if nothing happens then i will become an atheist like you, bunch of confused people...the bible says "a fool have said in his heart that there is no God"hope you know who you are??dweeb

Uyi Iredia: I'm occupied right now. Will settle down to treat this.

I see !

This is a poorly-made point.

Said who ? When God fails your expectations you ignore it and say 'It's the Lord's will and it's marvellous in His sight.' The failure of God is why there are atheists or former Christians who switched religion.

All the same they characterize God wrongly. They put God in a box as we are wont to do, theirs I differ with

Then heal amputees and raise the dead by laying on hands ? Why una dey fear ?

I doubt you do.

Not funny.

I see.

How so ? Joel Osteen, Kenneth Haggins or is it Joyce Meyer who Seth quoted as saying the Devil uses reasoning to lead people astray from the faith.

Agreed.

You never used it

Pray away to Blahweh.

FOLYKAZE: OP.....im not going to dispute the fact that somethings happened in your church or other churches which you cant explain personally. But you should be moved to question things and investigate them critically before you tag them or give a final decision on them. To explain the concept of your miracle stuff.....you should agree with me that there are prophetic schools, evangelicalism schools and miracle/healing schools. These are the things we found in our society. If you dont believe me, you can check the following links:

http://www.cacworldwide.net/schools/seminaryabout.asp

^^^^ thats core school of prophet where you can be taught how to see vision.....read mind, random prophet message and receiving message from deity


another one is
http://www.christembassy.org/site/ourministry/healingschool

^^^^ healing school where you learn how to cast demon, make me fall in disguise of spirit- exorcism and doing cheap miracles.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Babajide-School-Of-Prophets-And-Evangelists-Ilesa-Osun-State-Nigeria/218096108295689?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C6740079062

^^^ Evangelism school.......daddy is a good preacher and can move mass at once on stage.....

Hope you see now that they are teaching people how to do miracle, heals, prophesy and evangelism (carry more people at once by drawing attention).

What do you think they teach in this school? These are the place were pastors, prophet and miracle workers are recruit. Basically, we should know that these institute are not theological school or where mathematics and english is taught. What then are they teaching pupils there? I think you should question that.


Let me give sides of this schooling and miracle.


- Intellectual stage work: this one is all set up. all paid actors to do this. until this guy heals someone with say....missing limb or something that theres no possible way you can deny it, then believe it. until then its just a fraud trying to get money and fame. you may say "oh he doesnt accept money for this!" guess what.. yes he does. how? he "heals" people. people come to his church. they request tithes and offerings as all churchs do. more people = more church income = more personal payments. Its called acting dont believe it unless it happened to you especially stuff on videos and those they do from crusades. Remember, "god" is nothing more than a nonsense word created by man to explain away all of the things we can't yet understand.
Religion is a disease of the mind, born of fear, which has done nothing but bring untold misery down upon the human race... Imagine when someone is healed from HIV, blindness, diseases....how can you confirm it truth? If it truth, then bring one pastor and lets go to hospital for him to pray. I cant forgive church for this because I lost my grandmother to CAC church that claim medical treatment shouldn't be allow on her unless fasting and prayer. At the end, we were told it God's time for mama to die.

- Random prophecy: Here if you are in a crusade, you know those who are less priviledge by their look and behaviour. A crusade contain thousands people......IF I SHOULD SAY I RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM GOD THAT ONE WOMAN IS HAVING MARITAL PROBLEM FROM DEMONS ....there must be marital problem where more than hundreds people which are mostly women/ladies gather. OR I SAW SOMEONE IS HAVING FINANCIAL PROBLEM FROM GENERATION CURSE ...can it be possible for one among mass without financial problem in Nigeria? If someone admit he is having any of this problem...I can create attributes if im trained on prophetic task or divination.

- Intelligent Prediction and guessing: It is called eisegesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisegesis. The pastor gather little information and build on it. Most of them are vague and could be stretched to fit almost anyone and anything. It's the same thing people do with Nostradamus' predictions.

- Esoteric natural practises : Olive oil is made up of chemical.....handkerchief can hold chemicals and chemical can lead to different reaction. This give birth to casting demon, spiritual falling and hallucination. All these can be done under chemical applications and reactions which are secret to you. Also there are other secret things they do and processes they undertake......if you work with celestial church or C/S, you will get clearer picture.

- Mind controlling : this is the best tool they teach in this school. It involve trauma-based mind control. What do you expect if C. Ronaldo determined to give you an audience and/or possibly chance to shake you. Some people cant stand this.....some will be over-joyous and may loose balance. P square prove this here https://www.nairaland.com/1123555/picture-girls-fainted-during-psquare

If a popular pastor like Adeboye got the chance of touching most people especially female.. Most of them will fall and claim it divination but this is mind game.

birdman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYfuB41rxz0

4 instances in the presence of witnesses, one a doctor, at one go. Anyone want to explain this?

Chrisbenogor: I would believe a simple miracle

Draw a triangle that has angles more than 180 degrees inside.

Kay 17:

That would be a fantastic example of a miracle.

Seun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfYZuqS1t0A watch this to the end

barack_o_handso:


No one's asking you to become an atheist, it's not a belief system, it's more of logical reasoning, using common sense: an UNBELIEVE in deities, so whether he goes to the synagogue with a camera or not, it changes nothing.

Beretta92: you think the synagogue is the answer to this huh? I hope u do know that some xtians do not believe in his miracles n some do not believe miracles occur anymore.What would u say about them?

Elliotwiz1: are we talking about christianity? Please stick to the topic....go and experience it yourself...and if you leave without a miracle in your life...trust me that is the GREATEST proof you can give...visit that man of God for total deliverance....just to prove to the world that miracles dont exist..............i weep for all atheists....because a day shall come when they would weep and wish they were not atheists....but wisdom in the eyes of a fool is foolishness.

Chrisbenogor: I would believe a simple miracle

Draw a triangle that has angles more than 180 degrees inside.