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Who Is To Be Blamed? The Potter Or The Pot? by Unluvable(f): 8:00pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Isaiah 64:8 New King James Version (NKJV) But now, O Lord, You are our Father; We are the clay, and You our potter; And all we are the work of Your hand. Humans have different imperfections for which we might be punished. Since we are a reflection of the potters works, why are we blamed for our makeup? Why will the potter blame the pot for turning out the way he molded it? Please drop your well thought out contributions |
Re: Who Is To Be Blamed? The Potter Or The Pot? by seemples(f): 2:53pm On Mar 08, 2015 |
You'll ever get a reasonable answer to this??! When Job was lamenting his situation and God showed up, I thought He was gonna give answers to Jobs questions but He totally went offensive...I remember God asking Job whether he was there when He made the Leviathan... was that the answer to Job's question?! For whereeeee Paul also in one of his letters was supposed to answer this ur question but he too veered off by asking sth in the lines of...who are you to ask the potter why he'll make a ware for spittle or refined crockery using same earth...he moulds what he likes Also, people hear from God all the time and I ask, is it so difficult to ask God in one of those hearing sessions this your question?? The Bible has the first book which would have contained these answers in so severe a summary that one is left guessing a lot of fundamental reasons; my final guess is that the details might not be as important as we might think afterall or they may be gleaned from the other books. Sometimes I ask, there was a generation that lived in, say, 1309 and plenty more lived before and after that who must have asked this same genre of questions and till today, no one has has been able to proffer a satisfying answer...maybe we're just designed to live simple and merry while acknowledging the existence of God, for tomorrow we die. {Never seen any 'unluvable person' though } |
Re: Who Is To Be Blamed? The Potter Or The Pot? by Unluvable(f): 9:11am On Apr 05, 2015 |
seemples:Wow...I think the bible should be revised for the 21st century minds That 'unluvable' thingy has some intricacies |
Re: Who Is To Be Blamed? The Potter Or The Pot? by bingbagbo(m): 9:34am On Apr 05, 2015 |
Romans 9:20 No, don't say that. Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God? Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it, "Why have you made me like this?" Romans 9:22-25 22 What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24 even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? 25 As he says in Hosea: “I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people; and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one,”[a] BUT NOTE BROTHERS.... Matthew 12:30-32 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad 31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come. |
Re: Who Is To Be Blamed? The Potter Or The Pot? by ayoku777(m): 10:12am On Apr 05, 2015 |
Unluvable: That's why you can't establish doctrine with a single verse. You need to combine scripture with scripture to form a balanced biblical opinion. That's why the bible said in; Psalm 119v160 -The sum of thy word is truth, and each righteous ordinance of yours is everlasting. (ISV) It is the sum of His word that is TRUTH. That being said. The answer to your question is THE POT. The pot is to be blamed for what they turn into. God compares us to pots in the hand of the potter. But unlike lifeless pots; we are "pots" (or vessels) with life and with the power of choice. We are "pots" that have the ability to submit to our potter or do our own thing. And God made that clear. Jeremiah 18v6-8 -O house of Isarael, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. Now, this is God (the potter) talking to His "pots". And He's making it clear they have a choice in what happens to them. They can by their own repentance, or refusal to repent; avert or bring upon themselves the consequences of their actions. We are not lifeless, choiceless "pots" (or vessels). And God never relates with us as choiceless. God can make us one way; and we will remake ourselves another way. We have the freewill to not submit to how God wants to make us. Ecclesiastes 7v29 -Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but THEY have sought out many inventions. So yes, we are clay in His hands; but not lifeless, choiceless clays. We are living "pots" (or vessels) with the freewill to search out many ends contrary to how our potter desired us to be or end up. God is not responsible for the sin of Adam and the fall of man; neither is He to blame for the choices of those who will end up in the lake of fire for rejecting His offer of salvation in Christ. Adam and mankind and those individuals are to blame. The clay made the choice to turn out that way. God bless you. |
Re: Who Is To Be Blamed? The Potter Or The Pot? by seemples(f): 11:24am On Apr 05, 2015 |
Unluvable: Unless such revisions will add a new branch of meaning to the essence of the Bible and that shdnt be encouraged. We just simply cannot understand every thing and though Ayoku777 has written well, the base question remains - why would the omniscient God make a being then cast the being into hell fire for an everlasting suffering Or why did God create Satan for the starters knowing he will commit and all of mankind fall into this kind of mess Ok...when you're done with extricating the intricacies you'll still arrive at 'luvable' I bet you |
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