Febup:


Your comments are very misleading for those wishing to study computer science.

Waterfall methodology is still the most important methodology today.
Waterfall methodology covers the development of applications from start to finish. The new methodology you mentioned only allows for incremental development like agile and this just makes Waterfall more flexible. You cannot develop an application that allow customers to put money in their account then tell the customers the application to allow then the get their money out is not yet ready, this is what you get if you are not using Waterfall methodology.

The knowledge you have acquired in computer science will make it easy for you to researh and learn a new programming language or technology better than someone without a computer science or software engineering degree.

bigdot1759:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/01/25/how-self-taught-14-year-old-tanmay-bakshi-became-an-ai-expert-for-ibm.html

Read dis about a 14yts old boy who never been to university but a genius programmer

bigdot1759:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/01/25/how-self-taught-14-year-old-tanmay-bakshi-became-an-ai-expert-for-ibm.html

Read dis about a 14yts old boy who never been to university but a genius programmer

Febup:


What we have not been told is that the boy's dad could have been a computer science lecturer, because it is impossible for anyone to just pick up such knowledge from no where. Take a look at Zuckerberg, his father taught him Atari BASIC Programming in the 1990s, and later hired software developer David Newman to tutor him privately https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg.

Darivie04:

Books!!!
E-books are freaking numerous. All he had to do was to type "best books on swift", " best books on AI", "best books on SQL". Then go to a free PDF site e.g www.b-ok.xyz and get the books he needed. Stop making this computer science degree seem more special than it is.

michicko:

C u 80% of com.sci students in my skul dey dnt knw half of wat I knw talkin abt programming lang... M studying maths in uniben so m tellin u its just a waste of time

Febup:


With all you have learnt with e-books, now ask yourself why have Microsoft, IBM, Apple etc not discovered you?

I'm sure you did not read all of my post, here is it again below. E-books are no use if you don't have an introductory lecture in computer science or software engineering at uni or someone who has have not thaught you.

What we have not been told is that the boy's dad could have been a computer science lecturer, because it is impossible for anyone to just pick up such knowledge from no where. Take a look at Zuckerberg, his father taught him Atari BASIC Programming in the 1990s, and later hired software developer David Newman to tutor him privately https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg.

willsonsemilore:


Please what re the career options in computer science

willsonsemilore:


Please what re the career options in computer science

bjboss:
Am currently studying computer sci. in school... if u say it doesnt worth,i agree cus i got frustrated in my first year but everything became clearer when i startd know wat it takes to study computer sci.

Computer sci. is not about programming. Computer sci is more of mathematics and its applications to solve computational problems,algorithm and designs, etc.

You wil appreciate it more when enter school and start looking into some cool mathematics

bigdot1759:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/01/25/how-self-taught-14-year-old-tanmay-bakshi-became-an-ai-expert-for-ibm.html

Read dis about a 14yts old boy who never been to university but a genius programmer

airsaylongcon:
People are still arguing about "genius" programmer? Let's take accounting for example which is a profession that was similar to IT in its past.

The equivalent of being a programmer in accounting is being a bookkeeper. That's the most mundane of jobs and the fact that you are an excellent book keeper does not in anyway make you an accountant!

Computer Science supercedes the ability to program.

Febup:


Yeah I did ask this question, but you have not come up with an answer. There was a typo which I have corrected earlier.

Universities cannot teach you every programming language on this planet, but they will teach you the concept of programming which you can apply to learn any programming language you like, but I'm surprised you did not mention Socket programming, Assembly language, Batch and Bash Scripting in the list you gave, did they not cover these?

Updated:
Even if you study a degree in accounting you don't automatically become a chartered accountant in Nigeria you will still have to join ICAN if you have 36 months experience in accounting and 48 months accounting experience for those for those with a different degree or those that have AAT or you can take the ACCA exams but if you already have a degree in accounting this will give you an edge and possibly some exemptions from the ACCA exams.

The problem with programming is that because there is no regulated professional body like ICAN or ACCA and for this reason you feel all you learnt at uni was a waste.

Febup:


Thank you for this. For a computer science or software engineering major programming is like the job of purchase ledger or sales ledger only. Just like a qualified ICAN accountant can do the job of purchase ledger and sales ledger which is very basic in accounting but would rather get a junior clerk to do such as the accountant's time is better spent on Profit and Loss Accounts, Balance Sheet, Year End Adjustments, Asset Revaluation, Statutory Tax Returns, Tax Planning and other accountancy consultancy services.

So is the case with a computer science or software engineering major, only that we are better off doing all that is involved in the software development life cycle, from Requirement Gathering, Project Management, Analysis and Design, Programming Paradigm with Code Implementation with Configuration Management, Testing, Deployment, Maintenance, new algorithm research and other software consultancy services.

So those saying 4 Years On Computer Science In University is a waste are just the BIGGEST JOKERS!!!

airsaylongcon:
People are still arguing about "genius" programmer? Let's take accounting for example which is a profession that was similar to IT in its past.

The equivalent of being a programmer in accounting is being a bookkeeper. That's the most mundane of jobs and the fact that you are an excellent book keeper does not in anyway make you an accountant!

Computer Science supercedes the ability to program.

asalimpo:
^^^
It's wrong to class programmers as u would class other technicians. Programming requires logic nd reasoning as does computer science that's y if a good programmer wants to,he can pick up cs knowledge as d job demands without too much brain stress. A laptop repairer or mason etc cant do so? A programming task can span months, hundreds to thousands of hours. All spent thinking logically. That's not trvial. Again other technicians dont work so. Programmers arent inferior to computer scientists/mathematicians. They complement each other. Many computer scientists cant code professionally- i dont mean toy coding used in research- i'm talkng industrial grade coding. Many professors cant either. Many cs researchers dont hav d stamina to code for hundreds of hours. Professional programmers can.

asalimpo:
^^^
It's wrong to class programmers as u would class other technicians. Programming requires logic nd reasoning as does computer science that's y if a good programmer wants to,he can pick up cs knowledge as d job demands without too much brain stress. A laptop repairer or mason etc cant do so? A programming task can span months, hundreds to thousands of hours. All spent thinking logically. That's not trvial. Again other technicians dont work so. Programmers arent inferior to computer scientists/mathematicians. They complement each other. Many computer scientists cant code professionally- i dont mean toy coding used in research- i'm talkng industrial grade coding. Many professors cant either. Many cs researchers dont hav d stamina to code for hundreds of hours. Professional programmers can.

CodeTemplar:
There are equally good books and materials that teach personal computer repair. Self-taught programmers are generally one dimensional and restricted in the sense that they don't broaden their scope or exposure to deeper CS concepts like design patterns and more. It is a case of not knowing that you are missing something and thus being overconfident about the little you know, for most self-taught programmers that's the casL.nA 4k. on the other hand CS grads are aware of some these concept but don't generally take out time to study them deep. Also of note is the fact that CS isn't restricted to the one-dimensional version we are used to in Nigeria. There are quite a number of programming or CS aspects like enterprise, os, and batch. Most self taught programmers end up as one of those and erroneously assume they have conquered CS.

asalimpo:

mayb the self taughts you've met are high minded but it would b exaggerating to paint majority with d same brush. Yes, self taughts tend to b weak in the theoreticals. And lack motivation to venture there. On d other hand cs are strong in theory but (often) weak in execution. However, self tutoring has a distinct edge over school taught,in that, the self taught, understands engineering at a deeper level than school taught, because he had to learn it d hard way. No mentor,no preset assignmnts. The only cs graduates tht rival that calibre of autodidacts are graduates of top schools.
Self taughts dont/rarely dabble into esoteric fields like os,database theory etc because of scarcity of materials for outsiders and/or no monteray incentive for making d investmnt. Also d self taught mayb busy building things with d knowledge he has acquired about rudimntary programmng rather than seek out arcane knowledge. Cs grads seat thru it because they hav to but otherwise most ppl wont.
Self taughts are not in d same class as blue collar workers. Like repair technicians plumbers etc. First,blue collar work is more mechanical than theoretical. Programming isnt so. Those blue collar workers often train under mentors which makes learning easier. Self taughts often hav to figure things out blindfolded. Stumbling until they finally get it right. This baptism of frustration hones their doggedness nd patience making them confident to attack harder bodies of knowledge and cope.
Some1 who has taught himself c or c++ etc and built signifcnt software in it can teach himself ai or machine learning- provided he can find sufficient resources on it.
A self taught maynot knw all design patterns or any at all but it's not necessary. He'll simply meditate on d problem till he cracks it, reinventing the wheel in d process. And/or discovering some other patterns in d process. On d other hand,some who had programmng spoonfed to them,cs grads,cant cope if they have no prefabricated solution to build on. That's y these type always talk about framewrks,ides,libraries design patterns. The cant operate ab initio,strkly from first principle. Self taughts can! because when they were banging their heads in learning,they was no preset pattern to use. They had to think creatively. That's what took them so far and sets them apart

CodeTemplar:
Most self taught are exaggerated. They are largely one-dimensional and only a relaxed CS grad will make them look competent. Most I have met are glorified for loop coders. Design pattern is zero. scaling is zero. efficiency is near zero. They just code hazardously and assume because programming isn't taught deeply in schools that they can afford to brag.
As for the boast about cs grads relying on libraries and frameworks, it is the self taught guys who are more of that. Most are even WordPress expansionists and can relate with RMDB or Norminalization of DB tables. They only understand One-to-many and One-to-One DB table mapping.
Most know nothing about building even enterprise apps from scratch by generating a valid db schema for their enterprise app. Most can't relate with drupal because it goes beyond simple CMS concepts in more common CMSs.

asalimpo:

the issue here isnt about the mode of learning. It's a characteristic of every free mkt system. If there's money to b made anyone who can scale d barriers to entry will join d fray,fighting for their own share of d mkt. It's happening in the music industry, phones , taxi hailing etc. More ppl are flocking to web designing/dev , android dev ,youtubing than bf ,including those without clear talent for it. As time goes on, the creme will rise to d top nd the dregs will settle. Every1 will find his level but d unskilled nd unfit will make d most noise nd cause d most damage to the profession. I can see how certifcation could weed out d misfits but it would also compound issues. Truth is, d nisfits also serve a purpose- they serve tightwad customers who care only about price.

CodeTemplar:
The market will always be there for every field and open to skilled people or self taught people [b] true. But markets are not static systems. They r in different states. Declining,static, booming, etc. The state affects the reactions of players. In d case of d i.t market ,it is in a booming to stable state in certain areas. Web nd mobile. This state combined with low barriers to entry has incited an influx of players akin to d way,the prospects of gold led to d gold rush in america centuries ago. There is similarity btwn d american goldrush nd current i.t markets. Or if you like a more recent example,the dot com bubble of the early 2000s. Now during the web (stable) and phone nd ai (booming) mkt, every1 is getting in. Including a large influx of low quality suppliers. It's inevitable. In the dot com bubble,the subpar companies died out. But few thrived to this day.e.g Amazon.com,yahoo.com etc. This influx of coders of varying degree in the booming segmnts has nothng to do with mode of learning. In all mkts they r suppliers of varying degrees. Same in tech. As d mkt matures,the weak will b shaken out,like it happened in the dot com era. You hav seen a lot of low quality self taughts and wrongly GENERALIZED tht ALL self taughts are d same and the symptoms you've observed are peculiar nd arise as a result of the learning mode. [/b]

CodeTemplar:
The market will always be there for every field and open to skilled people or self taught people [b] true. But markets are not static systems. They r in different states. Declining,static, booming, etc. The state affects the reactions of players. In d case of d i.t market ,it is in a booming to stable state in certain areas. Web nd mobile. This state combined with low barriers to entry has incited an influx of players akin to d way,the prospects of gold led to d gold rush in america centuries ago. There is similarity btwn d american goldrush nd current i.t markets. Or if you like a more recent example,the dot com bubble of the early 2000s. Now during the web (stable) and phone nd ai (booming) mkt, every1 is getting in. Including a large influx of low quality suppliers. It's inevitable. In the dot com bubble,the subpar companies died out. But few thrived to this day.e.g Amazon.com,yahoo.com etc. This influx of coders of varying degree in the booming segmnts has nothng to do with mode of learning. In all mkts they r suppliers of varying degrees. Same in tech. As d mkt matures,the weak will b shaken out,like it happened in the dot com era. You hav seen a lot of low quality self taughts and wrongly GENERALIZED tht ALL self taughts are d same and the symptoms you've observed are peculiar nd arise as a result of the learning mode. [/b]