coogar:

like walking a prime minister out of your ward for not observing the protocols required to visit bed-ridden patients.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIQWaBbURlY

can you see how visibly shaken cameron was when the surgeon walked in? he actually screamed "i am not having it, OUT!!"

Lol, a visiting pastor was preaching one day in my church and he recounted how when he newly came into the states he was always barging into his colleagues offices asking for one document or the other, you know how we Nigerians do it, you just walk into your colleague's office (that you have lunch with lol, so it's not as if you are not office friends, this is not your boss) and ask for a document or the other. It was one small girl, a subordinate, that reported him to HR that he intrudes in her space and his presence and manner of speech and height threatens her, lol. He was cautioned to always book an appointment first or call in to see if the person is willing to see him at that moment. The girl knew her rights.

stillwater:

Lol, a visiting pastor was preaching one day in my church and he recounted how when he newly came into the states he was always barging into his colleagues offices asking for one document or the other, you know how we Nigerians do it, you just walk into your colleague's office (that you have lunch with lol, so it's not as if you are not office friends, this is not your boss) and ask for a document or the other. It was one small girl, a subordinate, that reported him to HR that he intrudes in her space and his presence and manner of speech and height threatens her, lol. He was cautioned to always book an appointment first or call in to see if the person is willing to see him at that moment. The girl knew her rights.

nigerian men & their uppity ways.
if you are not careful, they would burst into your bedroom without knocking. 6-3-3-4 failed to teach us simple etiquettes. I must tell my friends of my intended visit before i can visit them. if i am bringing anyone with me, i must ask the host first if it's ok.

his privacy must be respected!!!

Very sad and Disappointing to see such a useful and important thread derailed by irrelevant discourse about employers and other frivolities. Very sad indeed.

Ayee Idris: Very sad and Disappointing to see such a useful and important thread derailed by irrelevant discourse about employers and other frivolities. Very sad indeed.

I concur. Some people here need to grow up.

@topic, I am not married but have witnessed spousal abuse right from my undergraduate days.
I will be sharing stories of how they overcame as time goes on.

Waiting for swag...

coogar:

the PM is everyone's boss....
if the surgeon could do to the PM, he would do far worse to his employers. he's right to have asked them out before they bring bugs & infections to his patients. cameron even agreed with him.

Hahahaha! Very funny!! You obviously don't know the parameters of the prime minister's powers. Maybe you don't know your rights after all.

The incident with the prime minister in that ward, the second paragraph of my last comment partly covers it. Regardless of rank or position, protocol/organisational standards must be observed at all times.

I'm done with this debate, my message has been delivered to its intended target.

25Calibre:
Hahahaha! Very funny!! You obviously don't know the parameters of the prime minister's powers. Maybe you don't know your rights after all.

so the leader of your country is not your boss? don't swing any technicality here, same ish applies. cameron had cleared himself on that visit with the surgeon's employers but it seems the surgeon wasn't aware of the PM's visit thus the hullabaloo!

The incident with the prime minister in that ward, the second paragraph of my last comment partly covers it. Regardless of rank or position, protocol/organisational standards must be observed at all times.

you are now back to what i was trying to say earlier. for an employee to walk his boss out of his office, he must have stepped out of line or break the ethic code of that organisation. mutual respect must be maintained at all times.

I'm done with this debate, my message has been delivered to its intended target.

well done.....
messenger of office squab.

stillwater:

Lol, a visiting pastor was preaching one day in my church and he recounted how when he newly came into the states he was always barging into his colleagues offices asking for one document or the other, you know how we Nigerians do it, you just walk into your colleague's office (that you have lunch with lol, so it's not as if you are not office friends, this is not your boss) and ask for a document or the other. It was one small girl, a subordinate, that reported him to HR that he intrudes in her space and his presence and manner of speech and height threatens her, lol. He was cautioned to always book an appointment first or call in to see if the person is willing to see him at that moment. The girl knew her rights.

You must be telling lies...how can she report her boss, is she crazy/ what right does she have? you know this thread is an eye opener o Stilly, never knew Nigerians are this scared and inferior, never knew...You know out of curiosity I showed Oga kadry this thread right from when the argument started, you know what he said? he was like ....."wow, aren't women their own worst enemies, infact you people too like drama, someone is indirectly telling women that you have no right to stand up for yourself and your fellow women are busy clapping their hands for him and giving him the thumbs up?".....and I was like hang on, you are right... .

This pastor's case sef is small... in my world you cannot stand over me and talk to me...you wanno talk? maintain same eye level..I wasn't even reported and could care less..be you the president of the US you just cannot walk into someone's personal space and chat syte..not acceptable. I don't know if you remember one thread sometime ago where your fellow Nigerians were saying the"white "people are making us forget our culture of going to someone's house uninvited, or showing up without calling which to them is the norm....I wanno ask this though, with all the culture this and culture that, has that country gotten better? a nairalander was biatch slapped in the face by her boss for showing up to work late and she couldn't do anything cos your useless country Nigeria has no law in place to deal with such beastly behaviour.

I am ashamed.

stillwater: Make una come see Nigerian inferiority complex for here. People wey no sabi dem right as human beings! Why won't people be abused?

https://www.nairaland.com/1447461/military-man-gave-out-gun

Ok it's official....I AM NOT A NIGERIAN

If you talk too much now they will start shouting feminists..the reason why women are able to practice medicine now is because a group of women who knew their rights came out and fought for it to happen.....The reason why women can own their own properties is because some women fought hard for it...the reason why some of us can come out of our homes and be appreciated and acknowledged by the society is because women fought for this.....now some of these people are busy enjoying what others fought for, yet their ungrateful backsides cannot appreciate this.......I ask again what is feminism?

What is marriage? yes a woman is the neck and hubby the head but without each other they cannot stand. He needs my neck to sit his head on properly, he needs my opinion to function, he sees me as a team mate and not a baby making toy. I decide what happens and what does not happen in the home and vice versa. I am regarded as a human being and nothing makes a woman more happy than seeing her husband put her in the same level as he puts himself and nothing makes her more fulfilled than see her man put her in a level slightly above his...when these things happen she knows without doubt that she is highly and truly respected

May God bless MR Kadry

coogar:

so the leader of your country is not your boss? don't swing any technicality here, same ish applies. cameron had cleared himself on that visit with the surgeon's employers but it seems the surgeon wasn't aware of the PM's visit thus the hullabaloo!

Lol so the prime minister can tell you what to do or come into your organisation and give you orders? So the PM can walk into HSBC or Barclays and dish out orders? As I said before, try to understand the parameters of the prime minister's powers. There are limitations to his powers.

you are now back to what i was trying to say earlier. for an employee to walk his boss out of his office, he must have stepped out of line or break the ethic code of that organisation. mutual respect must be maintained at all times.

If you had read my earlier posts, you could have seen I was saying the same thing. If a boss behaves inappropriately towards a subordinate, then walking him/her out would be the least of his/her worries

However a boss stepping into the office of a subordinate to make some corrections or give caution/reprimand which is sure in line with company practice, are you trying to tell me the subordinate can walk the boss out just because he/she doesn't like what's been said ( which is what that girl is saying )

So you haven't seen a boss giving somebody a dressing down before, you guys make laugh.

Look at him arguing like a market woman as if he was even present when the ish went down....Good don't mention my name....keep it as that girl. You know you are so quick to wanno bring a woman down that common sense has not really made you read properly. Common sense is not common after all. What corrections? are all "corrections" correct? is it the same correction that one useless doctor in Nigeria was going to correct me instead of doing some professional development/ research to figure out why I said the surgical procedure he was going to carry out was outdated and not used anymore? oh yes he also reminded me that he was a lecturer in one of the uni's and has more than a decade experience in specialty medicine.....You know I should have just kept quiet and let him get the consent he was seeking for from the patient....yes that is the kind of correction you are talking about..it's okay for a man to raise his voice whilst trying to "correct" a woman? sure he was correcting me and giving me orders and my silly proud self just could not take it. KIZZ MY AZZ

Les: Waiting for swag...

Les,I'm here.any job for me

25Calibre:
Lol so the prime minister can tell you what to do or come into your organisation and give you orders? So the PM can walk into HSBC or Barclays and dish out orders? As I said before, try to understand the parameters of the prime minister's powers. There are limitations to his powers.

don't bring up impractical scenarios....
cameron was not dishing out orders when he was walked out of that NHS hospital. he was visiting & making jokes with bed-ridden patients. i don't see how you can draw such parallels to the PM barking orders in a bank.

If you had read my earlier posts, you could have seen I was saying the same thing. If a boss behaves inappropriately towards a subordinate, then walking him/her out would be the least of his/her worries

if you agree with this, then what else is the problem?

However a boss stepping into the office of a subordinate to make some corrections or give caution/reprimand which is sure in line with company practice, are you trying to tell me the subordinate can walk the boss out just because he/she doesn't like what's been said ( which is what that girl is saying )

it depends on how the boss conducts himself while reprimanding his employee. he cannot use swear words, yell or shout. the brits call it stiff upper lip. you would really try before you see them opening their mouth wide to shout in an office environment - regardless of how angry they are. it's simple etiquette!

So you haven't seen a boss giving somebody a dressing down before, you guys make laugh.

of course i have.....
but it's nothing compared to how bosses dish it out in nigeria. a dress down is different from a verbal abuse nigerians are generally known for. bosses correct people here but with respect. no disrespect and no name-calling.

kreami diva: @ babyosisi, that story sent chills down my spine. Mehnnn.

@all abused men and women,pls take necessary measures to stop the abuse.if its separating from the maniac,fine.

And that is just one story
There has been many husbands that that killed ther wives in the most gruesome ways ,many of those wives had opportunities to run but like the poster here decided to stay.
I hope she opens her eyes soon to see the stupidity in staying
Robbing her of self esteem is just a minor thing compared to pieces of her body being gathered into a cellophane bag


I speak as a sister of an abuse survivor so this topic is personal to me
My sister hid her abuse and covered up well because she didn't want to "disappoint her parents and everyone" after her fairy tale lavish wedding until the day she was beaten up while pregnant and blood gushing from her head.
She left her husband while she was pregnant,came back home to my parents and never went back and I am very very proud of her.
The details of what she went through made me want to hurt her ex husband so bad
I hope this swag queen is reading me well
In a very short time she now has her own apartment,a car ,a job and doing very well for herself
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babyosisi:

And that is just one story
There have been many husbands that that killed ther wives in the most gruesome ways ,may of those wives had opportunities to run but like the poster here decided to stay.
I hope she opens her eyes soon to see the stupidity in staying
Rubbing her of self esteem is just a minor thing compared to pieces of her body being gathered into a cellophane bag


I speak as a sister of an abuse survivor
My sister hid her abuse and covered up well because she didn't want to "disappoint her parents and everyone" until the day she was beaten up while pregnant and blood gushing from her head.
She left her husband while she was pregnant and came back home and I am very very proud of her.
The details of what she went through made me want to hurt her ex husband so bad
I hope this swag queen is reading me well
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I've made my decision.I'll check my state's ministry of justice while trying out my hands on any incorporation jobs that come to me. Since he's not here with us anymore,I'm planning myself seriously and making a lot of contacts.

God will see me through.

swag queen:


I've made my decision.I'll check my state's ministry of justice while trying out my hands on any incorporation jobs that come to me. Since he's not here with us anymore,I'm planning myself seriously and making a lot of contacts.

God will see me through.

good!

He will not change, do not listen to anyone that tells you differently
My sister's husband knelt and begged my father the first time she reported the violence
They mediated and she went back to him but it got worse



The best support system you have is your family.
Are you still living in his house?

swag queen:


I've made my decision.I'll check my state's ministry of justice while trying out my hands on any incorporation jobs that come to me. Since he's not here with us anymore,I'm planning myself seriously and making a lot of contacts.

God will see me through.

Excellent!
Bravo! And all d best.
Though there may be tears in d night but joy comes in d morning.
May God help and sustain u, bring unimaginable favors ur way, Amen.

Yrs later u will shed tears of joy and gratitude.

All these immigrants to the west that just start yapping about human rights make me laugh.
Imagine someone saying Nigeria is hopeless because her human rights ideology is not as developed as the west.
Lol.
China does not believe in the western concept of human right,and guess what;
They are the fastest growing economy on earth,and the most diverse technological sector in the world.
They've surpassed virtually every western country on earth except america in most indices of devt and they will overtake america in ten years.
Their citizens who you believe are not enjoying human rights have out-performed americans in science and technology and are always at the fore-front of most technological advancement.
Western concept of human rights is a curse to africa.
Too many morøns in the continent and they all want to have a say.

swag queen:


I've made my decision.I'll check my state's ministry of justice while trying out my hands on any incorporation jobs that come to me. Since he's not here with us anymore,I'm planning myself seriously and making a lot of contacts.

God will see me through.

May God see you through...these are the kind of useless men Nigeria breeds...many of them infact 99.9% of them are on this thread

What kind of job are you looking for? are your family members aware of all these?

swag queen:


I've made my decision.I'll check my state's ministry of justice while trying out my hands on any incorporation jobs that come to me. Since he's not here with us anymore,I'm planning myself seriously and making a lot of contacts.

God will see me through.

Imagine all the dreams you had for yourself as a little girl
Do they come close to your reality?
Would you want your daughter to marry a man like his father?
If your answer is NO,that is a clue that you made a terrible choice
Sorry if I sound harsh,I am trying to make you see reasons why you must stick to this new plan
Enough is enough

I have written here many times and the last one some young wife blinded by euphoria called me names but I will say it again because it may help someone.
Ladies,no matter how love is shacking you never never never agree to be a housewife or have a joint account only
It is a recipe for disaster if you married the wrong man
You will be trapped and penniless with no way out
These stories are real
I hope the unmarried ladies are listening
A man that tells you he wants you not to work but stay home and take care of kids may not be all loving
That may be his weapon of control
A woman needs her own independent source of income and any man that denies you that should be looked at closely.


Na so e dey me for mouth
Time for morning ikwokirikwo

Jenny I dey salute o
Longest time

coogar:

don't bring up impractical scenarios....
cameron was not dishing out orders when he was walked out of that NHS hospital. he was visiting & making jokes with bed-ridden patients. i don't see how you can draw such parallels to the PM barking orders in a bank.

What are you saying, you are all over the place. How is that an impractical scenario? You said the PM is everyone's boss, so by inference, that includes everyone in the country, public & private sector workers right? Or don't you know the meaning of Boss, go and check the meaning in a dictionary or do you mean a ceremonial boss?

Anyways despite Cameron not having any authority over NHS staff, here is a link of the fate that befell that surgeon who yelled at him.

Now I expect you to come up with another nonsense.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/gardening-leave-for-surgeon-who-railed-at-clegg-and-cameron-2301353.html

it depends on how the boss conducts himself while reprimanding his employee. he cannot use swear words, yell or shout. the brits call it stiff upper lip. you would really try before you see them opening their mouth wide to shout in an office environment - regardless of how angry they are. it's simple etiquette! of course i have.....
but it's nothing compared to how bosses dish it out in nigeria. a dress down is different from a verbal abuse nigerians are generally known for. bosses correct people here but with respect. no disrespect and no name-calling.

Nobody is talking about Nigeria. Everyone has different standards of what they regard as disrespectful, a boss can correct in a harsh tone, without swearing or name calling.

And even at that, some would even swear, it isn't unheard off, I've seen it happen to people before.

I've seen Ed milliband caution a female MP live on television, as a matter of fact, he told her to leave the interview immediately.

The point is if the Dr himself had come here to say he walked the british prime minister out of his ward, all the omnipresent NLers who 'were there' would definitely have shouted him down and called him a liar and all manners of names.

*Of course now, they are slowly trying to shift their positions*

ileobatojo: The point is if the Dr himself had come here to say he walked the british prime minister out of his ward, all the omnipresent NLers who 'were there' would definitely have shouted him down and called him a liar and all manners of names.

*Of course now, they are slowly trying to shift their positions*

Did you even read his arguments at all?? This is just an excerpt from one of his posts. How is he shifting positions??

25 calibre: The only scenario I see a subordinate walking a boss out of his/her office is when the boss is breaking the law or saying something that's against company standards, which I think in a reputable organisation, is very unlikely. So unless you work in a coffee shop or some mushroom organisation, id tell you shut up with the lies.

Lol Coogar go and embrace a feeding bottle. 25 Calibre is right and has been consistent. What personal space at a work place. Except your boss is molesting you, walking him out of your office will bring you serious trouble. it doesnt happen anywhere in the world. And a private citizen can do whatever they want and say whatever they want when you are not afilliated with anyone. i mean eorking with any organization, this is in reference to the trump/cameron argument. but when you are and you make crazy comments against a president, professionally sef you could be finished. your company will relegate you to receptionist jobs and eventually fire you on an excuse. no employer will want to touch you after. there are rights, but even you have to be careful when exercising them. Are you trying to be funny? Even office doors are kept open except you are having a meeting. Enough of the debate Abeg and Mod please hide all the distractions let the women who want help get it.

jennykadry:

Have you noticed something though, you know those organizations that employ foreign workers like Asians and Americans, do you know that these people's bosses dare not talk to them anyhow or harass them or let alone raise their voice during an argument, but they are so willing and happy to do it to their own country person....you know why thy wouldn't try it on a foreigner? Cos those ones will put them in their place, cos they know their rights, they know its not acceptable and will go extra miles To put that unleashed dog in his place.

Of course now, if someone keeps lying down on the floor in front of you, won't you sef assume they are a doormat and rub your dirty shoes on them?

The whole concept of bosses being able to do and undo without caution is part of the reason young girls are being forced into prostitution in the banking industry where human rights abuse is rife! But you know, western ideas of human rights are a 'curse to Africa' so why should we care to change things?

Wu Zetian:
Did you even read his arguments at all?? This is just an excerpt from one of his posts. How is he shifting positions??

That statement you quoted is a huge position shift from the beginning of this argument where he called Jenny a liar right off the bat when she mentioned walking her boss out of the office. At that time she had not even said the reason. You may need to go back in the thread to see this.

It is a also a cop out for him to say that now because Jenny's explanation of why she did that fell exactly within the realm of that statement you quoted. So what exactly has the pointless argument been about all along?

Baby O ke kwanu I see you too.

ileobatojo: The point is if the Dr himself had come here to say he walked the british prime minister out of his ward, all the omnipresent NLers who 'were there' would definitely have shouted him down and called him a liar and all manners of names.

*Of course now, they are slowly trying to shift their positions*

No naaa no personal space at work, so if your boss is in your face it is not called personal space invasion after all you are at work...all these cleaners and poo Packers on this thread that think because a white man gave you a job you cannot exercise your right at work are kidding me....if I quit they lose, I am the only me in my area

ileobatojo:

That statement you quoted is a huge position shift from the beginning of this argument where he called Jenny a liar right off the bat when she mentioned walking her boss out of the office. At that time she had not even said the reason. You may need to go back in the thread to see this.

It is a also a cop out for him to say that now because Jenny's explanation of why she did that fell exactly within the realm of that statement you quoted. So what exactly has the pointless argument been about all along?

That was from page 13 when the argument started. You seem to just cosign Jenny's post without even reading their points. *sigh* You are the one that needs to go back a few pages.

Like I've said, she is not arguing against 25calibre, she is just too emotional to see that and her contempt for Nigerian norms is also a factor here.

jennykadry: Baby O ke kwanu I see you too.



No naaa no personal space at work, so if your boss is in your face it is not called personal space invasion after all you are at work...all these cleaners and poo Packers on this thread that think because a white man gave you a job you cannot exercise your right at work....if I quit they lose, I am the only me in my area

I guessed as much about that too, that they probably need you more than you need them. Lol!

25Calibre:
What are you saying, you are all over the place. How is that an impractical scenario? You said the PM is everyone's boss, so by inference, that includes everyone in the country, public & private sector workers right? Or don't you know the meaning of Boss, go and check the meaning in a dictionary or do you mean a ceremonial boss?

stop chatting poppycocks....
by boss, i mean he has access to every organisation in the country, he cannot be denied entry into any office and his wishes must be respected at all times as long as he doesn't infringe the rights of anyone....

Anyways despite Cameron not having any authority over NHS staff, here is a link of the fate that befell that surgeon who yelled at him. Now I expect you to come up with another nonsense.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/gardening-leave-for-surgeon-who-railed-at-clegg-and-cameron-2301353.html

what has this gotta do with the argument? did he walk cameron out? yes. did cameron obey his orders? yes. did the surgeon conduct himself in a professional manner? no. did the surgeon yell whilst passing his message across? yes. even if it wasn't cameron he yelled at, 2-3 patients can write to the NHS board and have the surgeon disciplined.

remember what i told you about the stiff upper lip culture?

Nobody is talking about Nigeria. Everyone has different standards of what they regard as disrespectful, a boss can correct in a harsh tone, without swearing or name calling.

no yelling, no name calling & no swearing. we are talking about an office environment here not in a pub where drunkenness can be used as an excuse.

And even at that, some would even swear, it isn't unheard off, I've seen it happen to people before.

a boss would use swear words at his employee in an office? hahahaha - you must be living in a parallel universe.

I've seen Ed milliband caution a female MP live on television, as a matter of fact, he told her to leave the interview immediately.

did he yell?
did he use swear words?
was there any name calling?

stop scraping the barrel. draw excellent analogies instead of looking for scenarios that are not similar to what we are talking about.

ileobatojo: The point is if the Dr himself had come here to say he walked the british prime minister out of his ward, all the omnipresent NLers who 'were there' would definitely have shouted him down and called him a liar and all manners of names.

*Of course now, they are slowly trying to shift their positions*

I dont normally like responding to guys like you, because you obviously don't think by yourself, but I'm compelled to this time.

You ask why I refute her claims without any evidence, but I can ask you the same question. Why do you accept it without evidence, are you gullible? Do know her? Were you there?