Sagamite:


Sagamite: All these pictures I am seeing of Kenyan security forces is just a pure shame on Africa.

- You hear unknown men are sporadically killing people and the security forces sent people with mufti and no identification badge carrying guns to go and save them? How will the people know the difference between murderers and security forces guys?

- Many of the security guys are so ill-trained they seem to always have their guns facing downs instead of "pointed and ready". A bullet travels faster than your reaction. If a terrorist comes round the corner, you are dead before you can react.

- This quack goons are telling people (including kids) to run to come and meet them in safety, instead of taking their guns, in a set "pointed and ready" position, to meet and escort these people from their spot of temporary safety to full safety.

Africa is run by fucktards!

MR I.T.K, Soldiers are trained to point rifles down in such situations just as the Kenyans were doing.




Condolences to the bereaved

[size=15pt]One of Africa’s greatest literary icons, Professor Kofi Awoonor killed in Westgate attack[/size]

Shame to these terrorists who think they can have rest by killing innocent people. This is an act if cowardice and I hope their Muslim brothers/Islam can address this horrendous act of violence urgently. We need peace in this world please.

I am just wondering if we are capable of this kind of response in Nigeria. I don't know much about weapons and the military but I just feel that from what i watched in the video response was swift the scenerio reminds me of that film 44 minutes.
I see ambulances in the picture . U've got paramedics attending to people. I just can't help but ask again if we can handle this situation if it happens in Nigeria.

RIP to the dead
Quick recovery to the injured
and kudos to the photojournalist or whoever took those pictures

I know people in that building am a christian and i dont believe in judging people and yes there were those who died due to their religion but what makes us any better by attacking them?i know a lot of good muslims one even handed a christian a note with a quran verse for him to memorize incase they asked him,all am saying is we shouldnt attack ppl due to our differences like most of you are doing here

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eaglechild:
Someone presents a good argument and you go berserk with swear words.
Are you incapable of using uncouth language?

The guy is a barbarian, a raging dog that needs to be leashed and a mouth guard placed on its mouth.

The guy claims to be civilised, but talks like an uncivilised troglodyte, that's how delusional he is.

Please oooo! Let me ask, where are they getting all these pics from? Imagine some one taking pitures of a dying person instead of helping him. am i missing something? Am I the only one that finds this odd and wicked?

Everyone leaving the building should not be allowed to leave maybe except for the wounded. These terrorists could just drop their arms and join the innocent civilians.

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otokx: Is the mall not equiped with cctv?

And you think the terrorists are dumb to the extent of not smashing the cameras? This is a stalemate and the Kenya's are doing their best! So far from what I am reading, they have not been shambolic! There are twitter pleas urging citizens to go and donate blood.

The way they are allowing these freed hostage/victims etc walk out without scrutinizing them . It might be like that movie by Clive Owens and Denzel Washington I can't recall the name . I tink it's the bank Job or so. some of these bad guys might escape oooo

Promhize: Everyone leaving the building should not be allowed to leave maybe except for the wounded. These terrorists could just drop their arms and join the innocent civilians.

I tell u.

Scun: So the great and intellectual Sagamite, what is the solution now? They have hostages still held in the mall and are not willing to negotiate, what is the way forward? Break in and kill both them and the hostages or any other idea? I guess it's better to wait and see what decisions the Kenyans take then criticise isnl't it? If anyone claims to be intellighent, he should come up with and idea now, not chat rubbish later.

Years back, in a theatre hostage situation in Russia, the Russians Gassed the theatre from outside and everyone fell asleep. They then went in and carried out the hostages and terrorists like sleeping babies.

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Soldiers patrol throughout Saturday night near the Westgate shopping mall in Nairobi.

Promhize: Everyone leaving the building should not be allowed to leave maybe except for the wounded. These terrorists could just drop their arms and join the innocent civilians.

An eye witness actually said he saw someone UnCloth and mingle with the crowd as they walked out with their hands raised, so yeah, u could be right.

ISLAM. . .ISLAM. . .ISLAM. . .ISLAM. . .ISLAM. . . If only u've been to a mosque before,From their prayers,to their ear-itching songs to their posture and their facial expressions u'll understand that the religion is a sadist religion.

One thing I don't understand about this people is they are asking for muslim state can't they go to desert and create new yeye fake muslim state. Because if they are preaching the real Quran No one ll kill anybody. Or did this people own the world? Other religion don't deserve to live?

Sagamite:

You are reetarded!

Even police officers and detectives have to be trained except one is in Africa where fucktards like you run things.

Civilians or no civilians, as long as you cannot differentiate between a civilian and a terrorist (even though moorons like you in Africa would think you have juju to do such), you point your gun until you see that they are not a threat. COMMON SENSE! ...........................Which you obviously lack.

I wouldn't blame you too much for your emphasis on accidental shooting because you live in, or come from, a moronic "accidental discharge" country.

Well-trained officers would not accidentally be shooting just because they point a gun, WHICH IS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING!

You are a complete person for that statement of saying:

"Thirdly ,the officers acted correctly by assuring the kids to run to them.If they maintained an attacking stance they could have scared off the children or the people fleeing.The best way to assuring traumatized people is to maintain a friendly stance and waving to them to run to you as fast as possible.If you point a gun forward the child will run in the opposition direction."

So while the police man is adequately covered, you expect a child to run exposed and be shot?

You are a professional person!

Only a fucktardious product of a failed education system would say the Kenyan forces are world class. It is fucktards like you that run the continent.

Dude everyone knows that you are a filthy uncle ruckus who worships the white man.You will never see anything good in Africans because you hate yourself and your skin color.A self hating dumb negro is what you are.Those who have handled real weapons and have military training have already ridiculed your argument.You have never held a real gun in your hands before hence why you are too stupid to tell the difference between police training and tactical response training.Please carry on in your ignorance ,those of us in the know will just sit back and laugh at your epic stupidity.Go ahead and point guns at fleeing people and see if they run towards you,olodo.

FYI the US marines do not respond to terrorist attacks of this nature,that job is the of SWAT teams and the FBI.Police officer are not trained in tactical response.........jeez why am i even bothering myself explaining to you.You are too stupid to grasp anything,please swim in your cesspool of stupidity,it sure suits your ugly face.

ianeki: Marion g i am kenyan and i dont live too far from there and i know two muslims who were shot and as i said they entered shooting anyone they saw and there are still muslims inside among the hostages word has it they are not planning on giving up,though apparently israeli forces are now in the building,btw there is lots of speculation apparently the gang leader is a female at least three are women

"Some witnesses said the gunmen had
told Muslims to leave and said non-
Muslims would be targeted. "They came and said: 'If you are Muslim, stand up. We've come to rescue you," said Elijah Lamau. He said the Muslims left with their hands up, and then the gunmen shot two people. The correspondent in Nairobi for the Economist, Daniel Howden told
the BBC he spoke to one man with a
Christian first name but a Muslim-
sounding surname who managed to
escape the attackers by putting his thumb over his first name on his ID. However, the man told Mr Howden that an Indian man standing next to him who was asked for the name of the Prophet Muhammad's
mother was shot dead when he was
unable to answer. "........

Sagamite:

What you are chatting is rubbish!

That is not armchair criticism, that is mere common sense and professionalism.

[size=14pt]I am not a security expert but[/size] I have enough common sense to know if I was leading the security of a country under red alert from terrorist attacks, I would have a plan in every major city of the country (talkless of the best parts of the capital packed with people) to react to surprise attacks and minimise casualties and reassure citizens.

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If your gun is pointed up or down, I guarantee you, majority of times, you would not be reacting. No wonder Africa has higher rates of security officers death in such situations than countries run by people with a brain. At worst, your gun is pointed 20 degrees down, not 90 degrees down.

It is ridiculous for you to say "that weapon needs to be pointed either straight up, or straight down" (i.e. 90 degrees).

You can point your gun without your fingers directly on the trigger. All modern guns are built with that option.

Clearly this is a very emotional subject for you Sagamite, and since you feel that your military training, derived from watching Youtube videos, is superior to that of Kenyan special forces, I will resist the temptation to fluster you any further by challenging your dearly-held perceptions about counter-terrorism tactics and firearm protocol.

Take a deep breath, and just let it go, Ogami Sagamite. At least we can agree that the folks still trapped in that hostage situation have way more to worry about than we internet pontificators whose primary concern is making academic points to total strangers.

Sagamite:

See this foooooooooooooooooooool!

How is he going to shoot if two terrorist just show up?

Later we would wonder why we see so much body bags of African security officials.

Geez, man enough now with your analysis from behind a pc. People are dying there and you are busy laughing at their short comings, really? This is starting to irritate the hell out of me.

Sagamite:

No identification but yet he looks like the automatic prime suspects: Somali terrorists.

How are people suppose to tell him apart?

The security guy is obviously Somali Kenyan. He looks like any typical Al Shabaab terrorist.

yes he's of Somali descent but looks like he's working with the law enforcement.I don't think Alshabaab crazies would be divided,saving lives instead of killing as their mission states.Clearly he saved the woman & the baby as seen on the pictures.

Happywoman: The way they are allowing these freed hostage/victims etc walk out without scrutinizing them . It might be like that movie by Clive Owens and Denzel Washington I can't recall the name . I tink it's the bank Job or so. some of these bad guys might escape oooo

some have already escaped with the crowd. one of the rescued victims confirmed it.

italo:

Years back, in a theatre hostage situation in Russia, the Russians Gassed the theatre from outside and everyone fell asleep. They then went in and carried out the hostages and terrorists like sleeping babies.

The operation wasn't that smooth.. Many civilians died of suffocation and by bullets during exchange of fire ( some gunmen had gas masks)

*Kails*:


he is obviously a somali (edited)
he is also the same "cretin" who made the toddler run to him

I frequent kenya a lot and anyone who has been to Kenya will tell you that Kenya like every other country in Africa has different tribes and ethinicities.There are some Kenyan citizens who look like Somailians and some who look like Ethiopians. This is because Kenya shares borders with these countries and over the past 100 years people have migrated to kenya from these countries. The biggest Somali neighborhood in Kenya is Eastleigh. are many kenyans who works for the kenyan security forces who are descendants of Indians ,Arabs ,Somalia ,Ethiopians ,swahilis e.t.c

ianeki: Marion g i am kenyan and i dont live too far from there and i know two muslims who were shot and as i said they entered shooting anyone they saw and there are still muslims inside among the hostages word has it they are not planning on giving up,though apparently israeli forces are now in the building,btw there is lots of speculation apparently the gang leader is a female at least three are women

I'm not in any way saying whether or not they were shooting indiscriminately, i don't have the facts for or against that. Incase you didn't notice, look up where i enboldened one more time, i only highlighted the part you said they did not consider people's religion before killing them and i did quote a survivor's statement contrary to your claim. I'm sure you don't know what's going on in there more than those that were fortunate to escape by the whiskers.

I have Senegalese and Moroccan friends here in Europe. I just can't understand who says all muslims are terrorists.

Let's all pray for Kenya and profer good solutions that will end this ordeal!

Jakumo:

Clearly this is a very emotional subject for you Sagamite, and since you feel that your military training, derived from watching Youtube videos, is superior to that of Kenyan special forces, I will resist the temptation to fluster you any further by challenging your dearly-held perceptions about counter-terrorism tactics and firearm protocol.

Take a deep breath, and just let it go, Ogami Sagamite. [size=18pt] At least we can agree that the folks still trapped in that hostage situation have way more to worry about than we internet pontificators whose primary concern is making academic points to total strangers.[/size]

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Nyumba: I have Senegalese and Moroccan friends here in Europe. I just can't understand who says all muslims are terrorists.

No one says "all" muslims are terrorists, but their religion makes them potential terrorists.