Horus:

One of the leaders of Al Shabaab was on the phone fews minute ago Live with al jazeera. He said that the terrorists will not negociate and will not surrender.

Na hard situation o-o, we here can only but pray that more lives not be lost. You can imagine the feeling of being held down as a hostage and threatened with death. May God deliver these ones.

shymexx:

However, if Al Shabab is ACTUALLY a religious group, why are they killing fellow Muslims in the same Somalia, that's 100% Muslims? The whole thing is more complex than you think, trust me. Also, the teachings of any religion is different from ideologies. Ideologies are tools created for peculiar reasons. And in the case of Islamists/Salafists - their ideology is completely different from the core of the religion they claim to represent. They're just pawns used to carry out certain objectives - and it's all part of a bigger/wider plan/game.

Moreover, once a major source of revenue is threatened, than the national defense is also threatened. Tourism is one of Kenyan's major source of revenue, and once you cut that off, then it's going to affect the whole. And from the pictures we've seen so far, all races of people are affected by this carnage. This shows that the attack was well-planned to send a message across and get the required publicity. Right now, Kenya is already bleeding from the negative publicity.

As for freeing Muslims, that's just part of the mind game. You and I know that Al Qaeda doesn't care about Muslims - Muslims, Christians, Animists, Atheists etc. are legitimate targets to Al Qaeda.

P.S: I'm not trying to defend any religion here. You should know by now that I don't like Arabs and I'm not a fan of any make-believe religion that's a tool for UMC (universal mind control). I don't have time for religion.

Why was a church bombed in parkistan? Why has boko haram only bombed churches in Nigeria? Just like we have catholics, penticostal, anglican methodist etc, they are all christians and read the bible.

Now there are parts of the same bible that different denominations differ from. In christian religion, these issue are things like going for confession. A catholic believes they have to go for confession before their since are forgiven while penticostal believe thay can ask for forgiveness directly through prayer. Fortunately in the christian religion these are not serious issue or stuff that lead to violence.

Unfortunately, in islam, there is a section of the same koran that does not tolorate other religions. It considers non muslims as enemies. Now a faction of muslims choose to ignore that part, but another faction chooses to follow every letter in the book.

but the problem is, if the catholics go out and start killing muslims, when the muslims want to retaliate they will kill christian irrespective of which denomination you belong, christians of all denominations will have to defend themselves even though it is the catholics that started the trouble.

Now the islamic terrorist believe that all non muslims are infidels and enemies . This is part of their koran. Now for them, it is either the world converts to islam or they are terrorized.

There is a war called jihad, which is believe to be a fight against the enemies of islam, or christians.

What these terrorist want is that jihad, and they will keep provoking christians until they decide to fight back. During this jihad all muslims will have to fight to defend themselves and believe even though the trouble was created by the radicals that believe christians are infidels and enemies of islam.

Is it that not a single one of them have been killed or captured so far? We are only seeing pictures of the victims!

I hope they would not just walk out of the place like every other hostage at the end of the day.

Broken TV:
and are the Christians using it i the y are found in the bible. Use your head.

Are you sure it is a TV that's broken or your skull? LOL @ a broken TV telling me to use my head. I would rather not exchange words with a broken TV. Get fixed first, then we can talk.

onila: they asked the muslims to speak arabic to confirm if they were really muslims

Lolz and arab christians don't speak arabic?

CAMEROONPRIDE: your brethren are being slaughtered all over the world , and all u care about is how some potential terrorists feel behind their computer? smh . ANYWAY keep showing the other cheek u seem to enjoy that .. in fact I think u are into SDM

You are real funny boy.
Yeah I can't help caring about how my fellow humans feel, the other muslims that don't believe in killing christians should not be bullied. Thanks.

CAMEROONPRIDE: speaking the truth and calling out the evil religion can't b considered as bullying . we are actually witnessing the result of your political correctness . let's call a spade a spade for once .

It is okay to speak up against the wickedness being spread by the bigots but others that have nothing to do with it shouldn't be bullied in the process.

Kenya needs to censor twitter on the internet in General until this operations is over. The attackers obvioulsy have internet access and are monitoring pictures and information about the Kenyan security operatives being posted. Isn't there a way they can block all forms of communication to and from that mall?

Ivynwa:


You are real funny boy.
Yeah I can't help caring about how my fellow humans feel, the other muslims that don't believe in killing christians should not be bullied. Thanks.



It is okay to speak up against the wickedness being spread by the bigots but others that have nothing to do with it shouldn't be bullied in the process.

Don't delude yourself, the terrorist we see today, were once moderate muslims. Even as I post this, more muslims are being radicalised. The religion needs to be purged entirely.

The idiosyncracy of sum pipo forcing their religion on you is wat i dnt understand. The wrld is polytheistic, u cnt change that....no matter hw u try to mak it monotheistc, u wil neva hav positive result...yeah, i would had been born into an islamic family wit an islamic upbringing, just as i'm a christian nw...the quoran and the bible are mystical books with endless interpretation....they r tones of chapterz of the bible that dwells in nattering nabobs of negativisms, that if i wanna follow, wat boko et al are doing would becom the prayer point of the wrld, wen i start manifesting..yet they are tones of chapterz of the bible that i would stdy and i wount hav problem wit humanity. I gues itz the same ting applicable with the quoran...we are all rational people, God has done so wel by giving us brain to think. He has also done hmself good by gving us brain and undastandin, so he may hav rest...God judges us according to hw we read and undastand hs holy books....i dnt hav to compare someone elses evil did wit anoda evil just to make a point..i dnt hav to defend my faith, even wen the truth stares in my face..just lyk some folks here were using the issues of osama(muslim) and hitler(xtian) to proove wrong their critics...we al knw the osama and hitler dudes were killerz, we shuldnt even be talking abt them, nt to talk of been proud of them...killing is wat every sane man wit the though of God, knws is bad....plz lets trade wit k. Dnt mind my english and the way it is been presented, i aint a prof. I'm an ssce holder, currently a successful businessman, i left school and stdies over 7yrz ago...lol. One love..

mekaboy:

Why was a church bombed in parkistan? Why has boko haram only bombed churches in Nigeria? Just like we have catholics, penticostal, anglican methodist etc, they are all christians and read the bible.

Now there are parts of the same bible that different denominations differ from. In christian religion, these issue are things like going for confession. A catholic believes they have to go for confession before their since are forgiven while penticostal believe thay can ask for forgiveness directly through prayer. Fortunately in the christian religion these are not serious issue or stuff that lead to violence.

Unfortunately, in islam, there is a section of the same koran that does not tolorate other religions. It considers non muslims as enemies. Now a faction of muslims choose to ignore that part, but another faction chooses to follow every letter in the book.

but the problem is, if the catholics go out and start killing muslims, when the muslims want to retaliate they will kill christian irrespective of which denomination you belong, christians of all denominations will have to defend themselves even though it is the catholics that started the trouble.

Now the islamic terrorist believe that all non muslims are infidels and enemies . This is part of their koran. Now for them, it is either the world converts to islam or they are terrorized.

There is a war called jihad, which is believe to be a fight against the enemies of islam, or christians.

What these terrorist want is that jihad, and they will keep provoking christians until they decide to fight back. During this jihad all muslims will have to fight to defend themselves and believe even though the trouble was created by the radicals that believe christians are infidels and enemies of islam.

Point of correction Boko haram don't ONLY kill christians in churches they also killed muslims in mosque just quite long.
The Quran NEVER instruct muslims to fight innocent souls, no it doesn't.

Jihad is NOT about war.

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Revelation 6:9-11

New International Version (NIV)


9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,[a] were killed just as they had been.

now I see why they cried for vengence

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Alshaabab's posts on Twitter

HSM Lives On @HSM_Superstars 2h The kdf are at last showing the world their
incompetence and total reliance on US forces
& funding, ending months of speculation. # Westgate

HSM Lives On @HSM_Superstars 2h Our hearts and Prayers are with the innocent
Muslims besieged at #Westgate by a coalition of Allah's enemies.

HSM Lives On @HSM_Superstars 1h Kenyatta raked millions killing Somalis while
a complaisant Kenya (the elites) shopped at
high-end boutiques and basked in
ostentation.

HSM Lives On @HSM_Superstars 7m Once again Kenyatta has failed to meet the
deadline; passing the flaming torch to the
zionists, preview marathon for the # olympics2020?

HSM Lives On @HSM_Superstars 4h History will record the 24 hours #Westgate belonged to the Muslims. The siege of # Westgate by zionists, USA and KDF will never be forgotten.

Scun: Has Sagamite been banned? I am still waiting for him to suggest a way to end this hostage without any civillian or even miltary casualty. Where is our MR intelligent?

Scun: Don't delude yourself, the terrorist we see today, were once moderate muslims. Even as I post this, more muslims are being radicalised. The religion needs to be purged entirely.

How do you intend to do the p*rging?
Killing people, Methinks that some thing went wrong somewhere in the teachings passed on to the ones that believe in killings and that is where it all emanated from. The good muslims that are frowning on these killings should make checks and know where things went wrong in what people are being taught to believe.

mama-gee:
Please can someone explain to me what happened in there?

How did the terrorists know who were muslims and who weren't?

Did they just fire at random shoppers and did they shoot at people that were hiding because I see corpses lying under tables and counters.

Does anyone know how Kofi died?

They asked questions relating to the Qur'an. Those who could answer were spared

CAMEROONPRIDE: speaking the truth and calling out the evil religion can't b considered as bullying . we are actually witnessing the result of your political correctness . let's call a spade a spade for once .

While I totally agree that Islam as a religion has questions to answer but so does other major religions in the world. I am not a fan of stifling personal opinion but we have to be wise on how we express those opinions; the poster has a point that it is not in anyone's interest to continually vilify all Muslims online because of the actions of a few. You will be surprised that there are some Muslims who are totally against violence against non-Muslims.

However, I have to also mention that it is quite indicting that the majority of civil Muslims do not come out and vociferously denounce the actions of mad men and women who carry out these atrocities in the name of Islam. Their silence and defensive attitude are being misconstrued as a tacit support of the actions of these animals.

I am tired of listening to references to Palestine and drone attacks in Pakistan as excuses for mentally sick individuals to go into populated mall and kill innocent civilians who are non- Muslims and supposedly do not know the name of Muhammad's mother. Muslims should come out and denounce such violence and not make excuses

shymexx:

However, if Al Shabab is ACTUALLY a religious group, why are they killing fellow Muslims in the same Somalia, that's 100% Muslims? The whole thing is more complex than you think, trust me. Also, the teachings of any religion is different from ideologies. Ideologies are tools created for peculiar reasons. And in the case of Islamists/Salafists - their ideology is completely different from the core of the religion they claim to represent. They're just pawns used to carry out certain objectives - and it's all part of a bigger/wider plan/game.

Moreover, once a major source of revenue is threatened, than the national defense is also threatened. Tourism is one of Kenyan's major source of revenue, and once you cut that off, then it's going to affect the whole. And from the pictures we've seen so far, all races of people are affected by this carnage. This shows that the attack was well-planned to send a message across and get the required publicity. Right now, Kenya is already bleeding from the negative publicity.

As for freeing Muslims, that's just part of the mind game. You and I know that Al Qaeda doesn't care about Muslims - Muslims, Christians, Animists, Atheists etc. are legitimate targets to Al Qaeda.

P.S: I'm not trying to defend any religion here. You should know by now that I don't like Arabs and I'm not a fan of any make-believe religion that's a tool for UMC (universal mind control). I don't have time for religion.

Definitely!! It's complex, with many irregularities, but then among the Muslims themselves, there is a conflict of ideologies, different factions claiming to be true descendants & followers of Islam, but at the end of the day, when a conflict involves non-Muslims, more often than not, they stand united as one.


If you look carefully, you'd see that the divisions existing among Muslims, stem from different/individual interpretations of the Quran. I've heard Anjem Choudry say any Muslim who isn't in support of jihad is a coward & not a good Muslim.

At the end of the day, I doubt when this siege is over, and the appropriate quarters gather to review what happened, that religion won't come up.

People & Governments are scared not to create hate or division, so they have to choose their words carefully, but deep down, they know better after all, no terrorist attack anywhere is ever attributed to religion.

Btw have you heard of Samantha Laithwaite's involvement in this.

Ivynwa:

How do you intend to do the p*rging?
Killing people, Methinks that some thing went wrong somewhere in the teachings passed on to the ones that believe in killings and that is where it all emanated from. The good muslims that are frowning on these killings should make checks and know where things went wrong in what people are being taught to believe.

Get this point and stick it in your mind, every muslim is a potentila terrorist.
Your ''good muslim'' today might turn out to be the terrorist who will kill you tomorrow

Scun: Get this point and stick it in your mind, every muslim is a potentila terrorist.
Your ''good muslim'' today might turn out to be the terrorist who will kill you tomorrow

I don't have to agree with you on that, loosen up dude don't get het up. It's sunday, smile. Go get some sunday Ice creams.

deeptesting:


There are liberal and radical Muslims, the liberals are a time bomb waiting for indoctrination or that single act that will stoke the flame and phew they turn radicals... All killings by radical Muslims have their root from the Quranic teaching of jihad that you can fight for God rather than allowing a god to fight for himself..I bet you that your response to my post will only lay credence to my submission that you are a liberal Muslim waiting for the right time to fight for your God. #Noapologise.

Lolz...and you are here posting on NL I thought the liberal muslim that will turn to radical muslim should have killed you since you were born.

Dumb post.

Scun: Kenya needs to censor twitter on the internet in General until this operations is over. The attackers obvioulsy have internet access and are monitoring pictures and information about the Kenyan security operatives being posted. Isn't there a way they can block all forms of communication to and from that mall?

they could be making those calls thru satellite, only advanced nations can monitor such calls.

Ivynwa:

I don't have to agree with you on that, loosen up dude don't get het up. It's sunday, smile. Go get some sunday Ice creams.

Ice cream by this time of the night? Keep loosing up and pretending like all is well. It's always better to be paronoid than be dead.

50calibre:


You destroy your point by calling Islam a religion of peace, which it clearly isn't.

The Qaran preaches and promotes Jihad, holy war against the unbelievers ( the kaafars ) the prophet Mohammed himself was a jihadist who killed more than 800 people.

These terrorists on suicide missions, craving to die for Allah, aren't they just following the teachings of the Qaran? Doesn't it promise them heavenly reward of 72 Virgins?

Where in the Quran??