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Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by dayokanu(m): 11:30am On Jun 27, 2008
Rivers got 93billion in 3 months yet what did they do with the money?
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by dayokanu(m): 11:48am On Jun 27, 2008
Niger Delta: MEND Vows to Breach Ceasefire


The abductors of the duo had made ransom demands of between N1 billion which was later reduced to N500 million and at last before their release, N150 million.

http://www.thisdayonline.com/nview.php?id=115222

This is the way to make Niger Delta like Abuja by kidnapping expatriate, toddlers and demanding criminal ransom. To say the truth they have lost the sympathy of most Nigerians
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by youngies(m): 1:19pm On Jun 27, 2008
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The pics are indeed Abuja.

1. Chelsea Hotel

2. National Christian Centre

All in the Central Business District of Abuja
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by kolaoloye(m): 1:29pm On Jun 27, 2008
take a look at the national mosque

Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by ono(m): 1:41pm On Jun 27, 2008
Blue boy,
No point joining issues with you. You apparently don't understand the kind of Federal structure we have on ground here in Nigeria - or maybe you know, but you just want to be myopic! Good luck.

I dey wait for better people to respond.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by deor03(m): 2:01pm On Jun 27, 2008
ono:

Blue boy,
No point joining issues with you. You apparently don't understand the kind of Federal structure we have on ground here in Nigeria - or maybe you know, but you just want to be myopic! Good luck.

I dey wait for better people to respond.

@ Ono

You are probably running away from the obvious. 

Can the Niger delta governors please tell US what they have done with the allocation they have been receiving?

What is the attitude of the citizens to development. Many of them have been brain washed to believe that destroying anything is equal to fighting for the Niger delta.
I was opportune to work on some private developmental telecommunications projects across Nigeria some years back, when we commission projects in some  places other that Niger delta, the people of the areas  showers praises, encomiums and gifts on us.

In the Niger delta, it is the opposite. We work with armed protection on project that are supposed to better the life of the people.

They kidnap contractors that are supposed to make roads for them. They kidnap Engineers that are supposed to work on electricity projects. So do you think Niger delta will ever be like Abuja with this uncouth attitude to life?
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Bolarge(m): 2:38pm On Jun 27, 2008
deor03:


Can the Niger delta governors please tell US what they have done with the allocation they have been receiving?

What is the attitude of the citizens to development. Many of them have been brain washed to believe that destroying anything is equal to fighting for the Niger delta.
I was opportune to work on some private developmental telecommunications projects across Nigeria some years back, when we commission projects in some places other that Niger delta, the people of the areas showers praises, encomiums and gifts on us.

In the Niger delta, it is the opposite. We work with armed protection on project that are supposed to better the life of the people.

They kidnap contractors that are supposed to make roads for them. They kidnap Engineers that are supposed to work on electricity projects. So do you think Niger delta will ever be like Abuja with this uncouth attitude to life?
Well said.
Most well-meaning Nigerians who were sympathetic to their cause now know better.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by dayokanu(m): 2:56pm On Jun 27, 2008
Blue boy,
No point joining issues with you. You apparently don't understand the kind of Federal structure we have on ground here in Nigeria - or maybe you know, but you just want to be myopic! Good luck.

I dey wait for better people to respond.

It is the Federal Structure that makes them Kidnap babies, and pregnancies,

Oil companies would offer indegenes of Niger delta jobs but they do not want. They have community quotas in Oil company but Those deltans and Bayelsan and Ogoni people would prefer to sell the slots.

Check Eket a lot of indigenes have been employed by Mobil. but when they offer those Deltans and Bayelsans jobs the sell their slots I am close to those Oil coys in PH and Delta they prefer militancy.

I was in Bayelsa in Nembe local govt in 2006 when a road project was on. The indigenes started building shrines and moulding bricks on the path the road

was to take why? So that the contractors would settle them to remove their structures. Imagine. The contractors had to stop the work at a time.

I dont know if he continued later and the road was completed.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by BigB11(m): 3:14pm On Jun 27, 2008
I was opportune to work on some private developmental telecommunications projects across Nigeria some years back, when we commission projects in some  places other that Niger delta, the people of the areas  showers praises, encomiums and gifts on us.

In the Niger delta, it is the opposite. We work with armed protection on project that are supposed to better the life of the people.

They kidnap contractors that are supposed to make roads for them. They kidnap Engineers that are supposed to work on electricity projects. So do you think Niger delta will ever be like Abuja with this uncouth attitude to life?

This is why I think MEND is only exploiting this opportunity to enrich and empower themselves. I do not think they're truly fighting for their people.
A question for MEND: Yes, we all understand that the government hasn't treated the people from this state appropriately, but with all this fighting, killing and kidnapping, what have you accomplished or what have you done for your people lately?

This is a complete Bullshi t; these folks (MEND) are only looking out for themselves. Believe it or not, MEND is a business; a profitable business for that matter. I will love to see their end of the year statement.

They've been fighting for many years (over 10 years) and the place (Niger Delta) still looks like Baghdad while the people (the local) continue to struggle to survive day after day.
I'm sorry, enough is enough, it's time to try a new strategy that will truly benefit the state and the people.

The Federal Government on the other hand should stand firm and do everything to disable these criminals, who are simply using silly excuses to exploit their own people.
The Fed should not entertain this rubbish, they should immediately come up with a plan to completely disable this organization (MEND).
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by BigB11(m): 3:17pm On Jun 27, 2008
This state will never prosper or progress as long as this organization (MEND) continues to exist on that land.

I'm sorry!
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by ono(m): 3:36pm On Jun 27, 2008
I don't know what telecom project you're talking about. . . . . . . .

Damn, u guys just can't see issue.


''Give'' the Delta the same federal financial muscle you ''applied'' to get Abuja to where it is today. Lets see if kidnapping won't stop.

Besides, the real issue on ground transcends ''FG give me this or that''. It's about the ''heritage'' of a people. I have stated this in some of my old posts. I'm not ready to dabble into all that thrash now. I'm just tired and fed up. I just want MEND to blow up everything. . . . . .that's all.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by folahann(m): 5:09pm On Jun 27, 2008
NO one is even mentioning the real sufferers

states like Ekiti, Ondo,Kogi and so on

most especially Ekit, that state is really under fire
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by PAPABOMBOY: 9:17pm On Jun 27, 2008
@Oga ono

m8k u dey here dey throwe spit 4 ur computer----say blow effry tin.

Easy 4 u nairaland blogger since army neva blast ur akpeteshi/ogogoro drinking mouth with shakabula. No go nak Mama Plaintain to release pressure. grin grin grin

For me I no say I no be militant----but man wey wan nak my wife, kidnap my pickin con blow my house join, that person go see rambo and Bus Lee sharp sharp in me.

So as una dey hide inside water abeg blow effrythin 4 ur papa house, blow ur mama and papa join too for all i care. But the dey una go near Lagos nah the day una go know sey if nah kidnap toddler, we don do am (gbomo gbomo), if nah fuk toto, nah awa expat be dat----whether nah to kill amurobber abi militant sef ---shouting OLE here go show u how jungle justice for Lag dey different from niger delta.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by dblock(m): 5:46am On Jun 28, 2008
Whoever said Niger Delta Militants is an idiot

I am from the Niger Delta, and if i was in Nigeria I would go to the South South and kill as many militants as I could.

Rip their heads off and feed it to dogs.

Niger Deltan Militants that fight for their "people" but kidnap toddlers, lay siege to Delta Towns and can't even function as one, but are actually divided into various factions that occasionally fight each other



People say, How can Abuja, be like this, and Warri, looks like that, yet the Militants are supporting people like Alamieseigha (Former Governor of Bayelsa, who looted state funds)


They can direct the blame at the Nigerian State, and say that all the neglect has evidently led to all the woes of the Niger Delta, and to some extent that is true, but it is also true that the Niger Delta has one of the largest concentrations of Governors from the Niger Delta that are more corrupt than corruption itself.


Yes the Whole region is neglected, and the rest of the country isn't? Aren't the slums in Lagos just as bad as the poorest areas of the Niger delta.

Isn't Calabar a city that is being rehabilitated from scratch boast of a few tourism hotspots that are better than facilities elsewhere in the country including Abuja.

The retail facilities in Calabar far exceed that which is currently in Abuja. The only problem is the federal regulations that is preventing things from Operating smoothly.

Yes there is neglect, but the only people innocent are the few Niger Deltans who still remain passive.

And why shouldn't Abuja look good, afterall it is the seat of Government
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by SkyBlue1: 8:11am On Jun 28, 2008
@PAPABOMBOY, cheesy LOL
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by nikekenny(m): 11:58am On Jun 28, 2008
am not sure that is Abuja, though there are some places in Abuja which are more beautiful, like Maitama, Asokoro and the church gate.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by texazzpete(m): 12:42pm On Jun 28, 2008
When bayelsa state and Rivers were one state, Port Harcourt was vastly more developed than Yenagoa.
The 'capital city' effect in Nigeria cannot be discounted.


We expect more from the Niger Delta governors because their areas are the one needing development the most.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by kolkuns(m): 6:01pm On Jun 29, 2008
let d people 4rm Niger Delta understand that b4 exporting oil, federal government got her revenue from agriculture (i.e produce 4rm cocoa in west and groundnut from the north) and money from this exportation was shared among the existing states then. So is now the turn of the Niger Delta to contributes their own quota to the development of Nigeria, and they have been favored by giving them the lion shares from their revenue in expense of the other zone. They should go and ask their Governors and Rep Representatives were they keep the money for development of Niger Delta. They also ask the MD of NDDC were the money is. They should allow us to rest.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by 4Play(m): 6:31pm On Jun 29, 2008
kolkuns:

let d people from Niger Delta understand that before exporting oil, federal government got her revenue from agriculture (i.e produce from cocoa in west and groundnut from the north) and money from this exportation was shared among the existing states then. So is now the turn of the Niger Delta to contributes their own quota to the development of Nigeria, and they have been favored by giving them the lion shares from their revenue in expense of the other zone. They should go and ask their Governors and Rep Representatives were they keep the money for development of Niger Delta. They also ask the MD of NDDC were the money is. They should allow us to rest.

I don't know where these ghastly imbeciles obtained this canard about Nigeria depending on cocoa and groundnut money in the past.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Nigeria14: 6:59pm On Jun 29, 2008
You can see why militia are blowing up the pipeline. They take the money to build abuja, why south remain undeveloped. They believe if the govt can not build thier own place. they why not blow up the pipe so that nobody get the oil.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Kobojunkie: 7:03pm On Jun 29, 2008
Nigeria1,,:

You can see why militia are blowing up the pipeline. They take the money to build abuja, why south remain undeveloped. They believe if the govt can not build their own place. they why not blow up the pipe so that nobody get the oil.

Just simple answers needed please

1) How much does the Niger delta States get in annual funding from the Federal Government? And What was the money ACTUALLY spent on during the 2007 fiscal year. If you have detailed report, I would like to see it please
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by 4Play(m): 7:05pm On Jun 29, 2008
Kobojunkie:

Just simple answers needed please

1) How much does the Niger delta States get in annual funding from the Federal Government? And What was the money ACTUALLY spent on during the 2007 fiscal year. If you have detailed report, I would like to see it please

Niger-Delta money is not for the Federal Government to distribute as if they are doing Niger-Deltans a favor.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Nobody: 7:12pm On Jun 29, 2008
Perhaps Kobo needs to realise that capital projects need to be routed thru the FEC before any state can implement them.
Lagos IPP, Bar Beach, subway system is a classic example.

Perhaps Kobo also needs to know that the Niger Delta governors owe more of an allegiance to the PDP who rigged them into power than their states.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Nigeria14: 7:15pm On Jun 29, 2008
davidylan , it is difficult for some governor to develop their state, 

Take for example Oyo sate, which from satellite picture have about  the same  population of 3 state put together.  That is one state  with the population same population of 3 state.  I AM NOT MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT WE HAVE PROVE.  While Oyo state have 33  local govt, the state 3 state of with the same population if they are put together has equal one state of oyo state population but this 3 state put together get 105 local govt. Please ask yourself who is bankole representing. Himself or the people. Bankole have refuse to disclose the names of member of the constitution conference 2 month after the senate have presented its list. I think it is time to recall Bankole back to Ogun state. So who is bankole representing, himself or who.


Http://.com
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by debosky(m): 7:16pm On Jun 29, 2008
davidylan:

Perhaps Kobo needs to realise that capital projects need to be routed through the FEC before any state can implement them.
Lagos IPP, Bar Beach, subway system is a classic example.

Perhaps Kobo also needs to know that the Niger Delta governors owe more of an allegiance to the PDP who rigged them into power than their states.

This is inaccurate - states can embark on whatever capital projects they deem fit within their areas of authority, some areas such as the coastline have some Federal component involved, but by and large, states are able to do what they wish with their funds.

The second point is really a poor excuse if you ask me - if you do not hold your locally accessible leaders responsible, how do you want to hold some guys far away in Abuja accountable?

The N-D resources do not belong to the FG for them to be distributing as they wish, but the lack of proper utilisation in the ND cannot be overlooked either. While, in principle, the ND should be able to do as it deems fit with its resources, the current state of affairs there does not indicate that receiving 100% of the revenue would make a difference.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Kobojunkie: 7:29pm On Jun 29, 2008
davidylan:

Perhaps Kobo needs to realise that capital projects need to be routed through the FEC before any state can implement them.
Lagos IPP, Bar Beach, subway system is a classic example.

If this is really the case, then the question still applies, How many projects did the Government in the area ACTUALLY route through the FEC in the fiscal year 2007. How much did the FEC actually approve for the government in that year, if such a record exists and what was it spent on?

davidylan:

Perhaps Kobo also needs to know that the Niger Delta governors owe more of an allegiance to the PDP who rigged them into power than their states.

Does there supposedly owing allegiance to the PDP then mean that development in the area is to be wholly left in the hands of the Federal government, and not considered part of the many duties of the state governments involved??

I look at Lagos State as a state that seems to be making stride. Why is the Niger Delta government not doing same?? Is there fact to support whatever excuses that may exist?


Below is a link to state allocation report for May 2008. Not found 2007 report but how much of 2007's share was ACTUALLY spent in the area??

http://www.fmf.gov.ng/downloads/FAAC/CurrentFaacDetail/State_goverment_detail.pdf



Nigeria1,,:

davidylan , it is difficult for some governor to develop their state, 

Take for example Oyo sate, which from satellite picture have about  the same  population of 3 state put together.  That is one state  with the population same population of 3 state. I AM NOT MAKING A FALSE STATEMENT WE HAVE PROVE.  While Oyo state have 33  local govt, the state 3 state of with the same population if they are put together has equal one state of oyo state population but this 3 state put together get 105 local govt. Please ask yourself who is bankole representing. Himself or the people. Bankole have refuse to disclose the names of member of the constitution conference 2 month after the senate have presented its list. I think it is time to recall Bankole back to Ogun state. So who is bankole representing, himself or who.


Http://.com


uuumm,  Where is the proof I am not going to take what you say as fact, just because. I need you to post some form of proof here: documents, pictures, videos , anything,
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Nobody: 7:54pm On Jun 29, 2008
debosky:

This is inaccurate - states can embark on whatever capital projects they deem fit within their areas of authority, some areas such as the coastline have some Federal component involved, but by and large, states are able to do what they wish with their funds.

The second point is really a poor excuse if you ask me - if you do not hold your locally accessible leaders responsible, how do you want to hold some guys far away in Abuja accountable?

The N-D resources do not belong to the FG for them to be distributing as they wish, but the lack of proper utilisation in the ND cannot be overlooked either. While, in principle, the ND should be able to do as it deems fit with its resources, the current state of affairs there does not indicate that receiving 100% of the revenue would make a difference.

Thanks for the correction on point 1.

I'm not wholly convinced about point two (in highlights). How does the average Nigerian hold his leaders responsible? Can you even hold your local government chairman responsible? Are we sure we voted for them or they were rigged in?

The issue is not whether the ND states would be able to make a difference with 100% resource control . . . the issue is whether the FG has the RIGHT to disburse funds that belong to other states as it deems fit. The non-ND states have not shown us they are any better . . . infact the northern states are much worse than ND states.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Nigeria14: 8:35pm On Jun 29, 2008
Kobojunkie , we have satellite picture of Nigeria. some state that mr makama claim where millions had nobody there. One local govt makama claim he had 400,000 . it had less than 2000 houses.  If the senate and house need prove. I can in a joint session of both house write computer program that would superimpose all town and villages in each state and put them into Oyo state.  So I still ask , who honestly is bankole representing. Is business interest or his Godfathers?? Why have bankole refuse to present the name 2 month after the senate.



Lagos state governor office and govt building





Here is falomo from satellite picture
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Kobojunkie: 8:43pm On Jun 29, 2008
Nigeria1,,:

Kobojunkie , we have satellite picture of Nigeria. some state that mr makama claim where millions had nobody there. One local govt makama claim he had 400,000 . it had less than 2000 houses. If the senata and house need prove. I can in a joint session of both house write computer program that would superimpose all town and villages in each state and put them into Oyo state.

Lagos state governor office and govt building



Satelite pictures prove nothing here, and have absolutely nothing to do with answering the very simple questions I asked you. Are you able to answer or not?? I mean they are straight forward questions. Anyone can go on google or virtual earth to extract pictures and paste the word proof right next to it. That is not what you are being asked to do here.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by ztyle(m): 9:01pm On Jun 29, 2008
This Nigeria Obodiyibo ABJ No place like home @poster wink
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by Eziachi: 12:41am On Jun 30, 2008
QUOTING Dayokano:

Between May to October 2007, all the North Eastern states of Nigeria (Borno, Yobe, Bauchi, Gombe, Adamawa and taraba) got a total of 67billion Naira as allocation while Rivers State alone got 73billion within this period So what is the screaming about- uNQUOTE

As long as the north continue to make this senseless argument, they are in for a shock one day. They select Niger Delta leaders in their various crooked elections, they decide who get what in a booty that doesn't belong to them. They continue to create useless states govts in the north that can easily be passed for a local govt area, all in the name of revenue formular cheating.  It is the business of Niger Delta people to ask their leaders question when they are in position to elect their own leaders and not the imposed ones like Odilli. There is nothing special about Donald Duke, he is just a silent crook. Come and see his £3.4 million estate in the United Kingdom. It will take Cross River state years to come before they will clear debt on their neck from Duke's white elephant Tinapa shopping centre. When Niger Delta were allowed to elect Ambrose Alli as governor for example, he gave them free education, free medical care etc.  It is not the business of the northern parasites to ask that question that is not theirs in order to justify their strong hold of a wealth that doesn't belong to them.


Even if all the states in the north is to gets 1 Naira, shouldn't they be grateful for that? It is not everyday that you get free money without putting in any labour of some sort and then turn around to ask the owner what he did with his own. What does the governor of Yobe or Gombe for instance do for the whole month other than to wait till the end of the month to collect their free money from Abuja?  And the likes of Nyarko will be dealing it around with his four wives and countless children. These same parasites were quick to enact the sharia laws that forbade the drink of alcohol in their dormain but at the end of each month a state like Zamfara will be the first take a cut from the VAT revenue accrued from alcohol sales, all in the name of hypocritical one Nigeria.

It is time the northern parasite realise that we are sick of them and they should leave us alone. Let them join their real brothers in Mauritania, Niger or Chad. Let see how many bags of groundnut they will sale in a month for the likes of Babangida to build/ran is hill top masion.

If Niger Delta is to take full control of their oil, they can now kill themselves if they chooses, as they share what is rightly theirs and then Ijaw noise makers/kidnappers will now discover that the much peaceful Efiks, Annang, Itshekiri are part of Niger Delta and has a voice too.

All the so called hidden crude oil all over Yoruba as been claimed by the Oduduwas inside will now be put to reality, if it's not just theoriy. Just Yorubas in marriage with the north are also major beneficiaries of the lopsided Nigeria system and their gimmick revenue formular.

Let the Igbo man explore whatever resources they claim too that they got. All the big talk about entrepreuship will be put to full test without Niger Delta oil booty.
Re: Can This Be Abuja ? by dblock(m): 4:55am On Jun 30, 2008
The Niger Delta currently receives 13% of the revenue from Oil, as per the derivation.

Prior to Crude Oil, they received 50%

The Niger Delta roughly accounts for 12.5% of land area of Nigeria. And the Derivation is 13%, but then population must also be taken into account. With a population of about 30 Million, the Niger Delta should have a derivation of around 25%

Now prior to the discovery of Oil, Nigeria was an Agricultural Heavyweight, and Agriculture was being developed throughout the Whole of Nigeria, so of course it wouldn't be appropriate for the derivation to be at 13% back then, however after the neglect of Agriculture in Nigeria, and the investments in the Oil industry, Nigeria's revenue was the "Niger Delta"

The problem here is not in the neglect of the Niger Delta, after all 13% of revenue should be more than enough to develop the entire Niger Delta, the problem here is the over reliance on the Niger Delta. If Nigeria was to change the Derivation to 50% today, the entire country would suffer, and the Niger Delta wouldn't even benefit, because at present the 13% it receives is being squandered by Niger Delta Governors.

If the derivation was increased to 50%, the Niger Delta should look something like this in a few decades





Even if it was more corrupt than the rest of Nigeria.

this is fairly accurate.

I compared, the Population of Venezuela with that of the Niger Delta, and they were almost the same, I looked at the amount of Oil that could be produced in Nigeria by 2010/2015 without any crisis in the delta, and that would be around 4 million barrels or 5 million, and that is twice what Venezuela currently produces. So a 50% derivation would mean that the Niger Delta would be like Venezuela , if it had corruption, or even more developed without it. This takes into account the reliance of both areas on Oil. Now Nigeria with a 50% derivation without corruption, would still be a better Nigeria than today, but it would have chronic Power outages, slow growth and would have more poverty than the Niger Delta, until it could revive other sectors of it's economy.

The Point I am trying to make is that, until Nigeria's other sectors have been invested in to a certain amount, the best the Government can do is increase the derivation to 25%

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