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Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Afam4eva(m): 10:13am On Oct 02, 2013 |
shymexx:So, now it's about flag? Lol Maybe Australia and New Zealand are not countries since their flags are replication of the British flag. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 10:17am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva:The Queen of England is still the Head of State for both countries. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 10:18am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva: Australia and New Zealand are completely different in this context. Technically, they are still part of the UK, with mostly ethnic Britons, and the Queen is still the head of both countries. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 10:21am On Oct 02, 2013 |
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Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 10:23am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Ok, let's throw Eritrea in there to make it clearer. Eritrea became a colony of Italy in 1890, Great Britain in 1941, Ethiopia in 1941 and became independent in 1993. So, which one of the four should they celebrate? |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by demmy(m): 10:23am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Independence parade at the Police College, Ikeja, Lagos, Southwest Nigeria What |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Afam4eva(m): 10:24am On Oct 02, 2013 |
shymexx:But are they countries or not? Should it matter who's on guard as far as they have the idiosyncrasies of a country and are referred to one. You guys are mistaking a sovereign country with a country. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Afam4eva(m): 10:26am On Oct 02, 2013 |
CFCfan:Same with Canada. Is Canada not a country? |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 10:27am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva: How about state what those two countries have in common with Nigeria? Are the aborigines in-charge over there? Stop comparing apples to oranges. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Afam4eva(m): 10:29am On Oct 02, 2013 |
shymexx: Ok, let's throw Eritrea in there to make it clearer.They date of birth is the day they were known as a country. I don't know if it was under Italy or Great Britain. I wonder why Nigerian blame the British for what transpired in 1914 since according to some of you, Nigeria was born in 1960. Shouldn't we be blaming ourselves instead if that's the case? |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by demmy(m): 10:40am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Colonial Nigeria was not a country/nation. It was a piece of land owned (illegally) by Royal Niger Company. Why do you want to celebrate your enslavement? Nigeria was amalgamated for easy exploitation not for easy nation building. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by crackhaus: 10:43am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Why would anyone want to celebrate a year that the white man gained total colonial control over a geographical region in sub-saharan Africa, isn't this what happened in 1914? 1914 is the year Nigeria became subject to the rule of the British Monarchy, and the amalgamation was just a way to put in place a more cohesive and centralized government, which in turn helped dampen the effects(constraints) in ruling two different teriitories separated by just rivers. The fact remains, a SOVEREIGN nation is the same thing as an INDEPENDENT nation, which is also the same thing as an AUTONOMOUS nation, which by all definitions thus mean; "A nation/country with complete constitutional powers to rule and govern itself". Don't get it twisted, this is what we should be celebrating as we did yesterday...definitely not 1914 when we were forced to answer to Her Majesty's Crown. 1 Like |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 10:44am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva: Well, Eritrea became a country in 1993. The Brits provided the blueprint for the nation-state in which the indigenous people consolidated on, to form Nigeria. However, they had option to opt out of the union in 1960 - and the "opt-out" alone should tell you that it wasn't really a country pre-1960. I also cited the nationality of the people - they were British. Moreover, Nigerians mostly blame the British for colonialism and the for giving power to the North to lord over the rest of the country. The Brits only amalgamated the country to maximise their colonial profits and for easy rule - just as they did in India. Should Pakistan and Bangladesh also celebrate colonial India? |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Afam4eva(m): 10:46am On Oct 02, 2013 |
crackhaus: Why would anyone want to celebrate the year the white man gained total colonial control over a geographical area in sub-saharan Africa, isn't this what happened in 1914?It's really not about what we should be celebrating. I could care less if we celebrate neither. But the focus here, is when Nigeria became a country and not a sovereign country. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Gbawe: 10:49am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Billyonaire: FASHOLA IS IGNORANT HERE. An absolute 'thicko' calling Fashola ignorant. How ironic. My friend, go and improve your general knowledge, with an emphasis on comprehending the meaning of words, before coming here to embarrass yourself. It seems you don't know what a Sovereign Nation/State is before proclaiming Nigeria to be one in 1914. It is always you 'airheads' who are most vacuously ungracious with your utterances. To make things crystal clear to even your ultra-thick brain, I present a link below which shows a list of sovereign states of the World by date of formation with Nigeria's date of acquisition of sovereignty given as 01 October 1960 i.e the date she gained independence from the United Kingdom. This is why Governor Fashola you insult is a leader while you are here displaying crass ignorance daily and pretending to be what your glaring lack of intelligence show you are not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state Sovereign state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_date_of_formation |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Afam4eva(m): 10:49am On Oct 02, 2013 |
shymexx:Pakistan and Bangladesh are no longer part of India, are they? So, why should they celebrate Colonial India? Their stories changed when they chose to separate from India. In the case of these two countries, thei date of birth of was when they broke and of India and Pakistan respectively. In the case of Nigeria, we did not break out of Britain. There was just a change in guard while the country remained. Eritrea's date of birth is 1993 because that was the date they got independence from Ethiopia pretty much like how South Sudan got independence from Sudan. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 10:53am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Billyonaire: FASHOLA IS IGNORANT HERE. You need to be banned from this section cuz you have proved yourself to lack the basics of politics. How can a state be sovereign and still be dependent on another state ? A sovereign state must have a clear cut territorial boundary, her own indigenious constitution and government , her own military to protect her territorial integrity and most importantly, a PRESIDENT which is the most significant authority of a sovereign state Now ask yourself if Nigeria possessed any of those qualities as at 1914. Sooner or later, you too will be aspiring to be a mod here. SMH 5 Likes |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 10:54am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva: Ok, let's say the northern protectorate opted-out like Ahmadu Bello wanted to, before he was persuaded by Zik - and the remnant of the amalgamation formed a country. Would there still be any need for 1914? The answer to that should end this. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by demmy(m): 10:55am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva: And Nigeria did not become a country in 1914. The country has always been there. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Afam4eva(m): 10:56am On Oct 02, 2013 |
demmy:So, there was Nigeria before the Northern and Southern protectorate were amalgamated? |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Afam4eva(m): 11:00am On Oct 02, 2013 |
shymexx:if the Northern Nigeria opted out before 1960, 1914 would have still being Nigeria's birthday. The date won't change. Imagine if Eastern Nigeria breaks away from Nigeria in 2015, will the date of birth of Nigeria become 2015? The date of birth will remain 1914 while the date of independence will also remain 1960. Do you think India changed their history when Pakistan(and Bangladesh) broke away? |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by demmy(m): 11:00am On Oct 02, 2013 |
~Bluetooth: What he lack is proper education. His education is funded by the Ford Foundation and others whose purpose is to mis-educate the average African about the reality. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 11:01am On Oct 02, 2013 |
~Bluetooth: Unfortunately and sadly...that is what the Politics section have been reduced to by the hungry paid-agents of GEJ. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by abu12: 11:04am On Oct 02, 2013 |
http://thenationonlineng.net/new/lord-lugard-and-the-1914-amalgamation-of-nigeria/ |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 11:06am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva: Lmao... What's the significance of the amalgamation, if one-half, is a different country? Perhaps, you only care about the name, "Nigeria." Ok, let's say the name of the country was changed in 1960, would you still care about "Nigeria?" Anyway, India and Pakistan don't care about the British Raj. They're proud people and they both only celebrate 1947. Nigeria on the other hand is still stuck in the colonial era. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 11:08am On Oct 02, 2013 |
ilugunboy: Honestly its just annoying. They don't even know what it takes for a state to be recognized as a soverign state yet you see them condemning and misleading those who want to learn. Nigeria has always been a vassal state until 1960 when she has her own president which is the emblem of sovereignity. You can't be sovereign if you still listen to the privy council in London for direction and advice ! 1 Like |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by demmy(m): 11:08am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva: The country is always there. It became a unified property of the Royal Niger Company in 1914 and named Nigeria (don't be fool by the name) for easy exploitation and to protect it from the French and German properties that surrounded it. Same with the USA. They only celebrate independent and don't care about the colonial America which was just a property of the British monarch. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by cecegorz(m): 11:11am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Succincts: Its just 2 sides of a coin if you ask me.Brilliant submission you made here! Clearly, it's a debatable situation, which even made BRF threw it open for debate. You can't just use biological conception to situate our nationhood appropriately. Though we became a Sovereign Nation in 1960, the term and location 'Nigeria' was formed in 1914 by Lord Lugard's act of amalgamation. However, my own opinion is that the wanton waste, and of course looting, all in the name of centenary celebration should be shelved, while we organize a plebiscite to decide a genuine path to building an all encompassing Nation. Pray tell, to whose interest is it if we spend our scarce resources to wine and dine over a Nation that is on the brink of collapse? If you built a house that is about collapse, do you call for house warming festivities or you get a fresh set of building Engineers to look at the way of salvaging the house? Acute lack of priorities on what matters most is what our government officials suffer from. |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by jmaine: 11:16am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Succincts: Its just 2 sides of a coin if you ask me. Another great point . . . . . . |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by crackhaus: 11:21am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva:You make me laugh bruv. The topic on this thread, as with Fashola's argument is based on what should or should not be celebrated. It's you guys that started arguing over the mis-use of words like Country, Sovereignty, and so on. But since you want to get clarification on Country versus Sovereign Country, I'll oblige you bruv. A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY IS A COUNTRY, aint no damnn difference. Here is a definition for you; "A country is the most usual, neutral word for a geograhical area that has or used to have ITS OWN GOVERNMENT". Now by that definition, we were not a country before 1960 because we were under the direct rule of the British Monarchy/Government...definitely not our own Government. What we were, if that will serve your purpose to name Nigeria before 1960, is a NATIONALIZATION of people with the same or identical culture and history living in an area under one government (in this case, the British Government). The amalgamation actually brought together two different nations of people (northerners and southerners) in the most widely rumoured mistake of the century, and this was done out of greed and blind ambition by the British colonialists. 3 Likes |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by Nobody: 11:26am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva:LOL! This our moderator sabi book no be small! Dem say I no dey intelligent but I don see pesin wey I better pass.At least I still get hope. Can't stop laughing at this comment. Bwahahahaha!! |
Re: Fashola Condemns Nigeria’s Centenary Celebration Plan by crackhaus: 11:36am On Oct 02, 2013 |
Afam4eva:Look at this nigga, of course there was a geographical area named Nigeria before the amalgamation, Lord Lugard's bittchh (Flora Shaw) made sure of that in 1898 long before 1914. It was just a name given to the largest geograhical tropic region south of the Sudan. |
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