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Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 5:39pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
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Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 5:39pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
plaetton:Let's leave the long talk. I am not in the mood for sermons. Again, I didn't call anyone irrational. Like I responded to Alfa, I am at the point of this discourse, a rational skeptic looking for reasons to accept what you are not telling me. 'Is atheism rational?', is all I am asking. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by DeepSight(m): 5:49pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
plaetton: Well, my good friend, that simply means "whenever I am able to show you everything around you in your life, which you have already seen since you were born and up till this day." To show, you, in other words, the evidence that you already have, the evidence that you still see in every moment of passing time, and even the evidence that you yourself as a sentient being are. Gonna have to wait quite a while for that one, sire. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 5:56pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Evil Brain:Frankly speaking, I don't get the point of the above. You picked a portion of my post, which is: 'Reyginus: Lol. You even fail to understand that refusing to believe that any thing is true is already a belief', and you are responding with the above. What my post suggested was simply, refusing to take a position on anything is already taking a position. I wonder how it relates with what you are saying. Please show me how. Evil Brain:This is still the same thing I am saying. You don't say a thing is false because you don't see the evidence presented, but because you have an evidence why it is not true. All I am asking is that atheist evidence. Evil Brain:Lol. How does this even relates to what I am talking about? Evil Brain:How can you be so sure that I haven't reasoned these things out? You see, somehow the same thing you accuse me of doing without questioning, you also, I will assume is doing the same. What if I told you that you didn't reason your atheist position properly, that if you did, you will accept these things you see untrue. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by plaetton: 5:58pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: If you are seeing something that I and many others do not, does that thing exist to all? The fact that I do not see it means that whatever you think you are seeing is ambigous , to say the least, fuzzy, foggy and not clearly discernable to all. In which case, the onus clearly falls on you to show clearer and more discernable proof. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by plaetton: 6:06pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: But the proof in the case of god is very simple. No one has seen him. No space probe or earthly instrument has detected him. Even if his existence was beyond instrumental detection, then all humans would naturally , clearly and unabmigously and intuited him in the same manner everyday. There should no hide and seek. What other proof, except for his continued absence is needed? |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by DeepSight(m): 6:23pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Logicboy03: That would fit as God. And on and on, mutatis mutandis. Why is this a less valid hypothesis than a god creating the universe? Because the real question is about the origin of any universe, wheresoever, whensoever and whatsoever. You theists argue God's existence with the certainty of a mad man who is 100% sure that he is sane. Only mad men see houses and seek to argue against the existence of their builders. Not one single shred of God. Of course, none at all, except everything around you which you have ever seen and known since you were born. I would have thought that's quite a lot. It amazes me how people can behold an entire cosmos and still scream - "not one shred of evidence! not a single shred!" Sir, please, tell your God that he is a loner and he will die a loner....if he exists, he should grow up......hide and seek are for children I'm afraid my conveying your message will probably be useless because you will want to sit and have a drink with God, before you hold that God exists. I am afraid you will have to look deep into your very own being to see where God sits, and perhaps be shocked that you have been experiencing the reality of God all your life - and that you have never lived outside that reality.... |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by DeepSight(m): 6:27pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
plaetton: God is not a man, and so he is not to be seen as some physical creature stalking around somewhere. However, in being alive and interacting with Life and the World, you do see God everyday. No space probe or earthly instrument has detected him. God is not a celestial body that you can point out, and say, Eureka. Even if his existence was beyond instrumental detection, then all humans would naturally , clearly and unabmigously and intuited him in the same manner everyday. And this is exactly what has happened throughout human history. Any confusion that there is has only arisen within the atheistic mind, which seeks to deny that which has been obvious - glaring even - to mankind throughout history. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by DeepSight(m): 6:32pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
plaetton: Well start by looking behind your eyes. Do this everyday please. You will see it. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by italo: 6:37pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Is it okay to make a categorical claim without empirical evidence of it - only on the lack of evidence to the contrary? What do Atheists say? Yes or no? |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 6:42pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
^^^Lol. One thing most atheists here is not good at is answering questions. 1 Like |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by italo: 6:52pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Reyginus: ^^^Lol. One thing most atheists here is not good at is answering questions. Lol... Mazaje will come and answer: "gods are man-made," "There are many gods." As if he doesnt read questions. I think he has essentially the same answer to every question. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 6:54pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Deep. seems like you ve changed your mind. is philoversity discussion still on? |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by plaetton: 7:01pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Oh please. Of course I can see god if I look between my eyes. In fact, I can pretty much see anything I want to see. I could could lock myself inside a closet, close my eyes and conjour up any images I want. How does that prove anything?. You keep saying the same thing over and over again, but when I put same to you in my own words, you reject them. Everything you say points you to the obvious fact that you created god in your mind simply to answer your own question of origin. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by plaetton: 7:08pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Oxygen is not a man, but it interacts with all life. So, is oxygen god? Throughout human history , men have worshipped snakes, crocodiles, the sun, the moon, oceans, fires, thunder and lightening, dragons, cats, etc. as god. You name it, it has been worshipped as god. So what what do we learn from ancient men? That god really exists, but it's just human frailty that misunderstands him? C'mon man, give me a break. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by wiegraf: 7:11pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Op, look at my sig then please explain to me how accepting (or believing) the claim that a babalawo can make me faster than ussein bolt is rational. That is as ridiculous as the claims you make, and of course, backed with just as much evidence (or even less, babalawos exist); non. Note, you cannot do anything about what you believe, but if you think that a framework that accepts such claims as true is irrational, despite what physics (and simple common sense) have to say about that, then it's not hard to see why you're an xtian. As for atheists that claim god(s) do not exist (like me, as far as those of yahweh and co are concerned), or more accurately that the odds of their existing are so low they are essentially negligible, well yes, it's a bit like taking a page of your books, except being a hell of a lot more rational in any sane framework. For instance, you claim your god omniscient, and assert the claim true and infallible (despite the fact that you readily admit humans are fallible, thereby accepting that you could be wrong, but we'll be ignoring that ,for now...), but exactly how can he ascertain that? How can he know something he doesn't know? How does he know there isn't another truly 'omnipotent' god (assuming that bit of nonsense was possible) trolling him for mysteriousnessesses reasons? Well, apparently he cannot see any other gods around, so he goes around asserting he's the one true god. If he really cannot find another god around and he really does have his magical omnipotentness available, then he's simply going with the evidence. He's done all the tests and didn't discover another omnixx around, so for all practical purposes he can assume, or even assert, he's the only omnixx god around, and he would be rational in assuming so. The evidence would be backing him up. That's what I'm doing as well, considering the absurd, puerile, illogical nonsense you try to pass out as evidence. Mostly a 2000 year old book with claims of walking on water, talking donkeys, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, angry and jealous; all nonsense. Considering physics and common sense, I can categorically tell you that such could not exist. The evidence states that it's impossible for a man to resurrect after 3 days in a cave, or walk on water, or talking snakes, or ribs, etc etc etc. I can tell you such does not, and could not, exist. If you think that line of reasoning irrational, then well, again, easy seeing why you're xtian. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:11pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight:I'm telling you sir. Here's what the bible that they mock says about them Romans 1: 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, Its amazing this 'foolish' book spoke about this foolish men and how they insult and demean themselves as they try to remove the creator from his natural place in thought and imagination. How blind to life's beauty they have become. How blind to reality. I speak of what I have seen and heard. And God I know bears me witness. My life and words bear witness. Creation itself and Gods powerful signs bear witness of the mighty hand of God. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by DeepSight(m): 7:13pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
plaetton: ^^^ If you really think about it, it is you who needs to give the whole matter a break... since God does not exist... why bother... there must be a million more fulfilling things to do that obsess with deluded theists on a forum, no? Just forget the issue, abandon it completely, it is of no use to your life - only urge people against intolerance wherever you see it being displayed - - - - that's more than enough. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ......................But o no, the quiet knowing prickling inside of you won't let it go, will it? Because, like all mankind, it knows better. Good evening, dear friend. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 7:16pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: You can replace "God" in the above quote with "Witchcraft" In fact, people who claim to do magic make the exact same argument. The same argument was made in Harry Potter and even in the sorcerer's apprentice -magic is all around you. BULLSHEIT |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by DeepSight(m): 7:19pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: I'm telling you sir. Here's what the bible that they mock says about them They bear witness indeed, my brother, to all but the willfully blind. This is not a matter that anyone should need another to convince him of. Each will speak it himself in the fullness of time. For it is who and what we are. Shalom. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by DeepSight(m): 7:21pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Of course, magic is all around you my brother - Life is utterly and fearfully magical in its every and even slightest particular. It is well my brother. Do not accept anything that does not make sense to you. Live your life according to your conscience. You will find your path. Blessings. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 7:22pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: You and muskeeto share the same political psychopathy. You guys will ally with anyone to further your propaganda and goals When did you start agreeing with the bible on atheists/disbelievers? |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:26pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Logicboy03:we might not agree on everything, but that does not mean we should ignore each other and be enemies. Smh. What an angry and troubled human being. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by italo: 7:34pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Deep Sight: "Our hearts are restless until they rest in God."--St. Augustine. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by italo: 7:37pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
@ wiegraf, As usual, you dont know the topic of discussion. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by EvilBrain1(m): 7:40pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
italo: Is it okay to make a categorical claim without empirical evidence of it - only on the lack of evidence to the contrary? You're the one who's making the categorical claim that your flying judeochristan monster exists. For me, I refuse to believe in such a thing until I see some proof. And unlike Pleaton, I don't even need anything as high-falluting as a space probe reading. I'll be more than satisfied with some simple statistical evidence. Here's how to convince me: You say your god answers prayers right? And Jebus loves the little children, right? And Christians are always praying for their kids to be safe, right? So show me a study showing that Christian children have a lower infant or under-5 mortality rate than the general population after correcting for socioeconomic status and country of origin. You can download census data from any country in Europe or the US and do it in minutes if you know how to use Excel. While this wouldn't prove outright that God exists, it would strongly suggest that something beyond science is happening and that there is a clear benefit to being a Christian. That would be enough to sway me and confuse Pleaton, Logicboi and all the other stubborn atheists. There's no way it can fail. The blessings of God are real. People give testimonies everyday about how God has protected them and preserved their families lives. The statistics must show the effect clearly. Are you ready to shut the doubting Thomases up for good? You could convince world governments to promote Christianity as a health and safety measure. You could win the Nobel peace prize for bringing the world back to God. It can't possibly fail! I'll be waiting for your to post your results. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by EvilBrain1(m): 7:40pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
italo: Is it okay to make a categorical claim without empirical evidence of it - only on the lack of evidence to the contrary? You're the one who's making the categorical claim that your flying judeochristian monster exists. For me, I refuse to believe in such a thing until I see some proof. And unlike Pleaton, I don't even need anything as high-falluting as a space probe reading. I'll be more than satisfied with some simple statistical evidence. Here's how to convince me: You say your god answers prayers right? And Jebus loves the little children, right? And Christians are always praying for their kids to be safe, right? So show me a study showing that Christian children have a lower infant or under-5 mortality rate than the general population after correcting for socioeconomic status and country of origin. You can download census data from any country in Europe or the US and do it in minutes if you know how to use Excel. While this wouldn't prove outright that God exists, it would strongly suggest that something beyond science is happening and that there is a clear benefit to being a Christian. That would be enough to sway me and confuse Pleaton, Logicboi and all the other stubborn atheists. There's no way it can fail. The blessings of God are real. People give testimonies everyday about how God has protected them and preserved their families lives. The statistics must show the effect clearly. Are you ready to shut the doubting Thomases up for good? You could convince world governments to promote Christianity as a health and safety measure. You could win the Nobel peace prize for bringing the world back to God. It can't possibly fail! I'll be waiting for your to post your results. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 7:43pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: we might not agree on everything, but that does not mean we should ignore each other and be enemies. Smh. What an angry and troubled human being. logic 1; 22-23 -And his name was strawmanuel meaning "Strawman shall be strong with him" Who is saying that you should be enemies? How can a deist agree with the bible on disbelievers? That is the most foolish thing that a deist can do. He forgets that he is a disbeliever according to the bible. Yaweh is not a deist god |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by Nobody: 7:49pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
op. Many atheists are not sincere. they just like to remain atheists, not that no evidence of a creator exists, no. but they just want to be blind over the evidence of their brain so as to remain atheists. Point at a robot and they will shout "of course somebody made it", but point at them, they ll say "they caim by chance". Prove how life came from nonliving thing, no prove. but they believe it happened, but wont believe God exists without prove. just tell me how serious they are? |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by italo: 7:53pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
Evil Brain: If you're not making a categorical claim that God doesnt exist but you are open to be convinced by "evidence," it means you think there might be a possibility that God exists. I would have no problem with you. My issue is with those Atheists that are categorically saying God doesnt exist, like Mazaje. Can you help me ask for their empirical evidence? Thank you. |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by mazaje(m): 7:54pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
JMAN05: op. Which of the gods or goddess created the universe. . . |
Re: Atheism Is Irrational. by mazaje(m): 7:56pm On Oct 07, 2013 |
italo: The empirical evidence is that all gods are man made that is why we have many different gods and many different religions. . . |
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